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Royals offered Myers to Oakland for Brett Anderson?
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Posted: 12/10/2012 5:37 PM
Royals offered Myers to Oakland for Brett Anderson?
https://twitter.com/JeffPassan...021687289729024 Anyone else catch this? Thoughts? I love Anderson but the idea that we turned down the best prospect in all of Baseball for a pitcher who is injury prone is surprising to me.
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Posted: 12/10/2012 5:42 PM
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Make that two of us. I guess Beane wasn't kidding when he said he wouldn't trade any of his starting pitchers..
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Posted: 12/10/2012 5:46 PM
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Longer article from Passan that also mentions the A's turning down Anderson for Myers straight up. http://sports.yahoo.com/news/m...-092108961.html
I suppose if he really is limited to a corner outfield spot it limits his value for us but still.... |
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Posted: 12/10/2012 6:47 PM
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The Royals also tried to get Shields straight up.
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Posted: 12/10/2012 7:07 PM
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If Anderson's value is that high right now, imagine how high it could be after a 200 inning season?
I think Billy realizes there isn't as large of a gap between those top-10 and top-50 prospects as their trade value would suggest. He'd rather take a few highly regarded prospects, so if one or two don't pan out he can still win the trade, as opposed to banking on one relative unknown to win the trade.
There was of course the Holliday trade for Wallace, which didn't work out in our favor. And then there's the Swisher, Haren, Cahill trades which look like victories. We even got a good piece in that Harden deal, finding an undervalued prospect in Donaldson.
As far as Myers goes. Definitely a nice prospect, but I'm glad Billy didn't pull the trigger on that trade. Just a bad move for a team coming off a division title with such a strong and young corner OF already in place. Not only would we lose Anderson, but if we planned on getting Myers in the lineup, we'd have to move Reddick or Cespedes. Could make our team a lot worse for the short term, and possibly long term.
If Myers was still a catcher, or could hack it at 3b, I'd probably do the trade. But he's just another slugging corner OF. If he was a Ryan Braun or Jason Heyward type with all around tools, athleticism, and a refined plate approach, once again, I'd probably pull the trigger and move Reddick. But I don't see him as a surefire stud in that mold by any means. I'd be comfortable depending on him to become a Jay Bruce type bat, which probably isn't worth it for a guy that is better than Gio when healthy.
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Posted: 12/10/2012 7:08 PM
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this still annoys me. was it a flat out no, beane wont trade anderson under any circumstances? was he willing to rework or expand a deal ;like rays did. its not like beane, forst, kubota or whoever are immune to bad choices as we've seen in the past. So if anderson continues his injury issues and myers turns into a legit superstar we might regret this. As Ive said before, this teams history in the past decade, problem isnt producing serviceable pitching. It cant produce elite hitting prospects. I guess grieve, chavez, and tejada were the last ones. Though swisher turned into a very good player. Apologies to travis buck, crosby, penny, suzuki and others. If anderson stays healthy and turns into a workhorse ace, i'll gladly be wrong. But right right now, he seems alot like harden and we may not see him reach that full potential. A pitcher with tj surgery who relies on the slider, theres reason to be a bit uncertain. Dayton Moore was the perfect GM to take advantage of a desperate situation.
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Posted: 12/10/2012 7:17 PM
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arly2380 wrote: this still annoys me. was it a flat out no, beane wont trade anderson under any circumstances? How do we know this? Once again, Myers will spend a couple months in the minors to the Rays till gets an extra year of control, then they expect him to be in the starting lineup for years. On the other hand, Myers will probably be no better than the 5th best outfielder for the A's in 2013. Getting Myers for Anderson means the A's then need to make another blockbuster trade with Young or Reddick or trade Crisp for a solid player.
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Posted: 12/10/2012 7:29 PM
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If the Royals organization thought Myers was a future superstar I don't think they would've moved him so aggressively. Shouldn't that at least be a concern if you're trading away a 24 year old that's the projected ace of one of the best young staffs in baseball? Who knows Myers better than the Royals organization?
You people act like we're coming off a .500 season and are still starved for power. I guess it will take some time for it to set in that we're a young contender with several 30 HR threats already in place. Trading Anderson straight up for Myers would make no sense, especially considering 2 of those 30 HR threats are penciled in at the corner outfield spots, under contract for several more years, and just entering prime age.
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Posted: 12/10/2012 7:48 PM
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This x 1000. Anderson and Parker one two punch could lead A's for years to come. Breaking up our top line pitching for hitting prospect who has done nothing in majors would be mistake. This team has a nice core that needs to stay intact for as long as possible. All we need is SS....Beane is keeping target in focus and staying the course. Smart.
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If the Royals organization thought Myers was a future superstar I don't think they would've moved him so aggressively. Shouldn't that at least be a concern if you're trading away a 24 year old that's the projected ace of one of the best young staffs in baseball? Who knows Myers better than the Royals organization?
You people act like we're coming off a .500 season and are still starved for power. I guess it will take some time for it to set in that we're a young contender with several 30 HR threats already in place. Trading Anderson straight up for Myers would make no sense, especially considering 2 of those 30 HR threats are penciled in at the corner outfield spots, under contract for several more years, and just entering prime age.
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Posted: 12/10/2012 7:56 PM
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Pretty sure a lot of A's fans and the A's front office back in 05 or 06 that Haren and Harden could a potential lethal 1-2 at the top of the A's rotation for years to come and we all saw how that ended.
If Anderson can make 30+ starts over the next 3 seasons then yeah I wouldn't object to this deal even if Myers is an all star talent but if Anderson continues to road he's been on with his health ever since his rookie season in 2009, then it could look like a bad trade that the A's potentially didn't sell off an injury plagued Anderson for quite possibly the best positional prospect the A's would've had in their system in maybe 15 years.
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Posted: 12/10/2012 8:40 PM
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athleticpride wrote: Pretty sure a lot of A's fans and the A's front office back in 05 or 06 that Haren and Harden could a potential lethal 1-2 at the top of the A's rotation for years to come and we all saw how that ended.
If Anderson can make 30+ starts over the next 3 seasons then yeah I wouldn't object to this deal even if Myers is an all star talent but if Anderson continues to road he's been on with his health ever since his rookie season in 2009, then it could look like a bad trade that the A's potentially didn't sell off an injury plagued Anderson for quite possibly the best positional prospect the A's would've had in their system in maybe 15 years. Ya, I'd pretty much always trade a good pitcher for a good hitter. You never know when a pitcher is going to get hurt. Of course I'd also want multiple pitchers back if I traded Reddick or Young. |
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Posted: 12/10/2012 8:45 PM
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years to come? more like 2 more for anderson, his option goes up to 12 mill in 2015. but they did waste 10 mill on sheets that 1 yr, probably the most a pitcher has made in 1 season during beane's tenure as gm. parker they'll likely be locked up through his arby yrs. but what homegrown A's pitchers since the late 90's has stayed his entire 6 yrs with A's, i only recall zito as the only one. also if everything is equal give me the position player with upside vs the sp with upside (who has an injury history) any day rob4326 wrote:
This x 1000. Anderson and Parker one two punch could lead A's for years to come. Breaking up our top line pitching for hitting prospect who has done nothing in majors would be mistake. This team has a nice core that needs to stay intact for as long as possible. All we need is SS....Beane is keeping target in focus and staying the course. Smart.
Last edited 12/10/2012 8:47 PM by arly2380
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Posted: 12/10/2012 8:55 PM
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Hudson...1999-2004
Mulder...2000-2004
Zito....2000-2006
Harden...2003-2008
Blanton...2004-2008
Cahill...2009-2011
I don't think many would be shocked if Anderson is dealt before his contract runs out in 2015. Course you hoped even by 2014 or 2015 the A's are still a team competing for the postseason when those currently in the minors like Peacock, Gray, Cole, Sanburn, Ynoa have already done or are ready to contribute at the big league level soon and that the A's could deal Anderson though I don't know how much they could get for a guy with maybe a half a year or year left on his deal. A's may very well do with Anderson with what they did with Zito in 2006 when there were rumors the A's would deal him at the deadline but they eventually kept him and the A's made the playoffs.
Still question this non trade if this rumor by Passan is true. We all know the A's can find and develop pitchers, it's been there thing since the late 90s-early 00s when they first brought up the big 3. What they can't do is find or develop elite hitters. They traded for and then traded CarGo although I doubt very much he would've put up the offensive #s he did in COL had he remained with the A's. Maybe would've put up at all star caliber #s but not the freakish #s he put up a few years ago.
Now they potentially found one in Cespedes but his has only 3 more years left and who knows if the A's will hold onto him thru his deal that runs out in 2015. Looking at the system there are a lot of potentially good MLB hitters, but don't see one who would be on par with Myers is as a prospect, maybe other than Russell but he's likely another 2 years from knowing how truly good or great he is once he reaches AA and AAA.
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Posted: 12/10/2012 9:21 PM
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Good pitching beats good hitting. In a 5 game post-season series, if Anderson tosses 2 shutouts then we can beat a team that is really much better than we are.
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Posted: 12/10/2012 9:27 PM
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arly2380 wrote: years to come? more like 2 more for anderson, his option goes up to 12 mill in 2015. but they did waste 10 mill on sheets that 1 yr, probably the most a pitcher has made in 1 season during beane's tenure as gm.
parker they'll likely be locked up through his arby yrs. but what homegrown A's pitchers since the late 90's has stayed his entire 6 yrs with A's, i only recall zito as the only one.
also if everything is equal give me the position player with upside vs the sp with upside (who has an injury history) any day
rob4326 wrote:
This x 1000. Anderson and Parker one two punch could lead A's for years to come. Breaking up our top line pitching for hitting prospect who has done nothing in majors would be mistake. This team has a nice core that needs to stay intact for as long as possible. All we need is SS....Beane is keeping target in focus and staying the course. Smart.
Who's value do you think is more likely at it's apex...Anderson, or Myers? I'd guess Myers, considering he's coming off his best year as a pro, and Anderson is coming off playing just 1/4 of the season after TJ surgery. We know Anderson will be good if he's healthy, there's a lot more question marks with Myers. I think it's funny that you'd point the finger at the MLB executive of the year for not taking on a prospect that you know very little about. Beane has a lot more at his expense, and if he was convinced Myers will be the superstar some of you think he is, he probably would've pulled the trigger. It's a lot easier to make a deal from your couch, as your job isn't on the line if you make the wrong decision. The argument some of you seem to be using is that trading Anderson would be some sort of risk aversion, but trading him for a single prospect is definitely not risk aversion. And then trading another one of our best players for more prospects is just adding to the risk. You're taking a defending division champ, and trading 2 of it's best players for a few unknowns...because one of the prospects is a big bat? I'm all for trading pitching for hitting in the right deal, but I certainly don't see this as an offer too good to refuse. I think most of you are way too high on Myers. You see he's rated a top-10 prospect by BA and assume he's going to be a superstar. If you look a bit closer, I think you'll be able to see that the guy has legit question marks, and is far from a surefire stud. As I said before...otherwise, why would the Royals aggressively shop him? You think they'd trade him if they thought he was going to be the next Ryan Braun? No, they wouldn't.
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Posted: 12/10/2012 9:41 PM
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it's fairly evident Moore put his own interests( his job) over what was best for the royals.
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Posted: 12/10/2012 9:51 PM
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BanditoB wrote: If Anderson's value is that high right now, imagine how high it could be after a 200 inning season?
I think Billy realizes there isn't as large of a gap between those top-10 and top-50 prospects as their trade value would suggest. He'd rather take a few highly regarded prospects, so if one or two don't pan out he can still win the trade, as opposed to banking on one relative unknown to win the trade.
There was of course the Holliday trade for Wallace, which didn't work out in our favor. And then there's the Swisher, Haren, Cahill trades which look like victories. We even got a good piece in that Harden deal, finding an undervalued prospect in Donaldson.
As far as Myers goes. Definitely a nice prospect, but I'm glad Billy didn't pull the trigger on that trade. Just a bad move for a team coming off a division title with such a strong and young corner OF already in place. Not only would we lose Anderson, but if we planned on getting Myers in the lineup, we'd have to move Reddick or Cespedes. Could make our team a lot worse for the short term, and possibly long term.
If Myers was still a catcher, or could hack it at 3b, I'd probably do the trade. But he's just another slugging corner OF. If he was a Ryan Braun or Jason Heyward type with all around tools, athleticism, and a refined plate approach, once again, I'd probably pull the trigger and move Reddick. But I don't see him as a surefire stud in that mold by any means. I'd be comfortable depending on him to become a Jay Bruce type bat, which probably isn't worth it for a guy that is better than Gio when healthy. I have no problem with Beane not doing the deal. A (highly rated, yes) prospect for arguably our ace pitcher? I think he definitely made the right decision. But in a few years I may feel differently, but then again perhaps not. How many highly rated prospects are still trying to match their initial billing? Heck, most of us were totally bummed the A's didn't offer Smoak enough $ when he was drafted. He's got what 3-4 years behind him now? and I'm glad he's not on our team, after all. He may turn out to be another Nelson Cruz (late bloomer) but then maybe not. |
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Posted: 12/10/2012 10:04 PM
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Here's part of what Baseball Prospectus had to say about the trade:
"Myers isn’t a sacred cow of the prospect world, though, despite being named Player of the Year by multiple publications. First of all, he’s a corner outfielder, which can be found in more abundance than no. 1 starters or premium up-the-middle talents.
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He’s ripe with new-car smell and his sticker price is through the roof, but the reality is that Wil Myers is more likely to be a major league regular than he is a superstar."
Myers is a good prospect but, he's not a prospect of the ages that some of you make him out to be. If you look at his full minor league numbers, he had one great season, which was 2012. But, should you really overlook the rest of his numbers?
I remember people here gushing about Charles Thomas because of the numbers he put up the year before the A's acquired him. Back then, I pointed out that you can't just ignore his previous numbers. You don't know if it's a fluke or a breakout season. Thomas reverted back to his previous performance levels, which made him a useless pile of crap. If Myers reverts to his previous numbers, he won't be useless but, he wouldn't be much better than Seth Smith.
Yes, Anderson has risks. But, so does Myers. Given that the A's should trying to be contend now and right now a quality SP add more wins than another corner OF, I'm not that disappointed the A's chose to pass.
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Posted: 12/10/2012 10:07 PM
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weeks isnt doing too great either. same with simmons, green, ross, choice. kubota's track record of top picks in the mid 2000's till now is very iffy. Those lousy geren years resulted in fairly high picks, if A's wanted to have a several yr run of contending for the future they couldnt blow those picks. Of course contending in 2012 was a huge surprise but question marks still remain with alot of their prospects, especially hitters. If you told me that weeks, green, taylor, choice, stassi or whoever could even turn into good/very good major leaguers i'd take that. But a myers, elite hitting prospect wont be coming to oakland anytime soon from within the farm system. I know some are optimistic with the 2012 draft but id say at least 3 years for those players.'
charles thomas? really, from what i remember A's were unsure about kotsay's health and needed up the middle athletes. thomas was part of the braves hype machine, cox called him one of the best defensive outfielders he's ever seen. Thomas really never hit well in the minors until AAA as a 25 yr old. He was basically a back end deal throw in that could be help the mlb team, he was colin cowgill of that trade for example
Last edited 12/10/2012 10:15 PM by arly2380
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Posted: 12/10/2012 10:18 PM
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Myers was a third-round pick. He was an over-slot signing, but he wasn't considered a top-10 pick that season or he would have gone in those top-10 picks.
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