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Posted: 12/16/2006 11:38 PM
Official Yankees Prospect Thread
This thread has to go up, since it is the most popular thread on our board.
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Posted: 12/17/2006 10:34 AM
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It's almost back to normal now!
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Posted: 12/17/2006 11:59 AM
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Woohoo. I can resume my man crush on Clippard 
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Posted: 12/17/2006 12:35 PM
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This is my first post on this new site. I like the format and I appreciate Pinstripes plus will allow us to keep the Prospect thread.
My first question on this new format is, how will Cuban signee Miranada, effect E. Duncan, S. Duncan, and C. Ehlers in Trenton, and Scranton, this year. |
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Posted: 12/17/2006 1:03 PM
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tormerr wrote:
“My first question on this new format is, how will Cuban signee Miranada, effect E. Duncan, S. Duncan, and C. Ehlers in Trenton, and Scranton, this year. ” I said before it's going to a situation most likely that the trio of Miranda. Eric Duncan, and Cody Ehlers will be spit amongst Scranton and Trenton. My best guess at this point is that Duncan and Ehlers will probably be in Trenton and Miranda will be in Triple-A, perhaps with Shelley Duncan splitting time with him at first base and DH. Don't rule out the possibility that one may have to be released or traded at some point. |
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Posted: 12/17/2006 2:23 PM
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http://eve6mediahq.com/ProspectsThread.docRIGHT CLICK, SAVE TARGET AS! IT IS A 25 MB FILE. This has all of the thread from 2004 until 12/17/06 ENJOY THE MEMORIES This is a VERY big file so you will need plenty of memory to open it and read it.
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Posted: 12/17/2006 9:34 PM
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Ugggh..............we have to start this over too??!?!?!?!??!? Geez..............
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Posted: 12/17/2006 9:35 PM
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you don't care about prospects Sufan?
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Posted: 12/17/2006 9:37 PM
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I do, i do alot and thats why im ****** that all the previous posts from the old board wont carry over.....
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Posted: 12/17/2006 11:35 PM
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sufan4eva13 wrote:
“I do, i do alot and thats why im ****** that all the previous posts from the old board wont carry over.....
” But sufan, does anyone really go through all 273 pages of the old Prospect Thread? Most people don't even go back 2 or 3 pages to see if there question has already been answered. lol |
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Posted: 12/18/2006 2:47 AM
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I felt like i had to be the first person to mention Phil Hughes... Thats all... Just wanted to be the first  |
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Posted: 12/19/2006 1:20 PM
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I'll be the first person to say Phil Hughes is awesome!
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Posted: 12/19/2006 8:31 PM
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Im the first to say Jose Tabata is awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SWEET!!!!
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Posted: 12/21/2006 3:55 PM
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But sufan, does anyone really go through all 273 pages of the old Prospect Thread? Most people don't even go back 2 or 3 pages to see if there question has already been answered. lolI wanted to put the above in "quotes" like on the old board, but don't see how to do that here I was going to put a "sad" emoticon at the end of the above line, but can't figure out how to do that either. Sure hope the final version is easier to use.
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Posted: 12/21/2006 4:00 PM
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jwildfogel wrote:
“But sufan, does anyone really go through all 273 pages of the old Prospect Thread? Most people don't even go back 2 or 3 pages to see if there question has already been answered. lolI wanted to put the above in "quotes" like on the old board, but don't see how to do that here I was going to put a "sad" emoticon at the end of the above line, but can't figure out how to do that either. Sure hope the final version is easier to use.” You're right, quoting isn't as convenient as before. You have to hit the "Quote" button on a post in the thread. If you just hit "Reply," as you found it, there's no "quote" feature from the Reply screen. If they can change that, that'd be nice. As for the emoticons, they are going to add to the selection. |
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Posted: 12/21/2006 4:00 PM
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jwildfogel wrote:
“But sufan, does anyone really go through all 273 pages of the old Prospect Thread? Most people don't even go back 2 or 3 pages to see if there question has already been answered. lolI wanted to put the above in "quotes" like on the old board, but don't see how to do that here I was going to put a "sad" emoticon at the end of the above line, but can't figure out how to do that either. Sure hope the final version is easier to use.” Jwild, there's a quote function at the bottom of every post. |
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Posted: 1/10/2007 12:12 PM
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Here are some additional posts to the old Prospect Thread since PSUinNYC archived it on Dec 17th: CurveBall1122
PinstripesPlus
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(12/16/06 11:46:15 pm)
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jwild, ctoon, pinstripes+
who do you guys will be a better prospect/player in 1 year
chamberland or clippard
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bentances or humberto sanchez
thanks for the help | CToon
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(12/17/06 2:11:14 pm)
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who do you guys will be a better prospect/player in 1 year
chamberland or clippard
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bentances or humberto sanchez
It's hard to compare Chamberlain and Clippard because they're different kinds of pitchers and Chamberlain hasn't pitched in the minors yet. He did well in Hawaii , but it's not entirely clear what that level of competition is like, so I want to see how he does in High-A or Double-A next year first. Right now I would say Clippard will be better next year, because he'll be Major League-ready and he'll definitely be a starter at the big league level. There are whispers Chamberlain might wind up in the bullpen.
Betances and Sanchez will also be at vastly different levels. If all goes well, Betances might be in Double-A in 2008 and Sanchez will be in the Majors. However, I think Betances will be the better prospect, because of how he projects at the big league level. Sanchez is another guy that could wind up in the bullpen.
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THANKS AGAIN CTOON! | DonObx5
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(12/19/06 11:57:59 am)
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Not sure if anyone/everyone has seen this yet, but this is the new team hat for the SWB Yankees.
shop.mlb.com/product/inde...age=family
I think it looks real good. Normally, I dont like the top hat on the main logo, but they did a good job with this one. I was hoping they'd be called the Iron Horses to honor Lou Gehrig, but the Yankees will do I suppose.
| AllHailMarianoRiveraIII
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(12/19/06 3:50:13 pm)
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god dam, my gf just got me the old SWB hat 3 weeks ago . There both nice at least. | tormerr
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(12/20/06 5:09:44 pm)
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who do you feel is a better prospect jb cox and kevin whealen
Hi CurveBall, that is a good question. The way I see it, I think JB. Cox has a bigger upside. Because he has been productive and moved rather quickly through minors especially if starts in Scranton this year. However he could have a hiccup like M. DeSalvo did last year be sent back to Trenton . One never truly knows. As fans we only have the stats and what we learn from each other to go by. J. Karstens showed you could struggle and come back strong and who would have thought Melky would be as productive as he was last year.
As far as Whealen goes I really do not know a whole lot about him. But I do look forward to following next season.
Have a great day. Tormerr
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(12/20/06 6:15:03 pm)
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tormer thanks, listen buddy do me a favor. POST MORE OFTEN, you are as smart as anyone here and i love to see your opinion, you been on the board a while and only have 474 posts, that number should be 1000 because people like me need to see your opinion, esspecially more often! okay.
have a great day too | jwildfogel
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(12/21/06 6:02:15 am)
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BA has come out with their latest minor league transactions.
As I noted here, the Yanks lost Victor Hall to the Phillies in the AAA phase of the Rule 5 draft.
The Yanks signed 1B Karl Amonite. Amonite was the Yanks 13th round pick in 2005. A Canadien, Amonite played at Auburn , missing the 2004 season with a right arm injury and not being available to the Yanks because of a knee injury suffered late in the 2005 season at the NCAA Regionals. Amonite is a big (6'5", 222 lbs as of a few years ago), powerful left-handed hitter who throws throws righ-handed. In 2005 he led Auburn with a .365 BA. He had 11 HRs, a triple, 25 doubles and 59 RBI in 208 AB. He had a .469 OBP and a .654 SLG, 41 BB and 35 K.
BA reported that Amonite lacked athleticism and had just fair bat speed. They did say he was strong and should hit in the middle of a minor league lineup. which was consistent with another report I read that Amonite had the best power of any player the Yanks drafted in 2005. Unfortunately, the Yanks 2005 draft didn't include any power hitters, so having the best power in the Yanks 2005 draft doesn't say much; catcher Joe Muich, who had 9 HRs in 229 AB and a .493 SLG in his senior year at Wichita State had the next best power of any player the Yanks drafted in 2005.
The Yanks released:
RHP Tyler Addison
RHP Anderson Amador
RHP James Conroy
RHP Jesus Mendez
RHP Erik Morrison
RHP David Seccombe
LHP Domingo Cabrera
LHP Edgar Omana
2B Tony Roth
1B Angel Fermin
OF Ben Himes
There were no big surprises.
This biggest? I didn't expect Domingo Cabrera to be released. partially because he was just 20 years old. He was very good at TGCL in 2005 (4-1, 2.30 ERA, 37 K, 9 BB in 31.3 IP) but not in 2006 at TGCL (2-2, 6.35 ERA, 22 K, 15 BB in 22.7 IP). Anyone know what happened to him between 2005 and 2006?
Angel Fermin being released was a mild surprise, but like Domingo Cabrera, Fermin was very good for TGCL in 2005 (.305/.360/.526 with 5 HRs, 17 doubles and 32 RBI in 154 AB) but regressed badly in 2006 (.222/.330/.333 with 1 HR, 4 doubles and 9 RBI in 81 AB). Fermin was 21 and I guess they figured they could draft someone better.
I was also mildly surprised that 22 year old Anderson Amador was released. In his second year of pitching, after converting from being an outfielder, Amador was 1-1, 3.78 ERA, 13 K, 4 BB in 16.7 IP at TGCL. I guess he wasn't showing enough besides his fastball.
I'm glad to see Ben Himes gone. He was a big bust, hitting just .227 with a .622 OPS at A+ Tampa after hitting .320 with a .905 OPS the Reds A+ team in the second half of 2005. If he wasn't part of a trade for Tony Womack, I'd be complaining about the trade. But Tony Womack for Ben Himes and Kevin Howard's baseball cards would have been a good trade.
James Conroy and David Seccombe were both excellent at SI in 2005 but mediocre at best at Charleston in 2006. They were both 24 and with so many good, younger pitchers there was no room for Conroy or Seccombe at Tampa or Charleston .
Erik Morrison was supposed to be a big time closer when they signed the free agent, but he never seemed to be a big part of the Yanks plans even when he was pitching relatively well in 2005.
I'll always remember Tony Roth for his coming on to pitch two perfect innings in the 17th and 18th innings of a May 20th game and then leading off the bottom of the 18th with a single and coming around to score the winning run for Charleston . That started a streak in which he was 10-24 through May 30th. I thought he might use that extra-inning performan ce to resurrect his career but he followed that with an 0-15 and a demotion to Staten Island in mid-June.
On August 17th Roth also started a winning rally with a single in the bottom of the 14th.
On August 19, Roth pitched another scoreless inning in an extra inning game and almost won the game as he doubled Nunez to third with one out in the bottom of the 11th but Nunez was stranded, Roth did set the stage for just as unlikely ending, slugger Ben Jones tossing two shutout innings and 3rd sring catcher Kevin Nelson hitting a walk-off HR.
Unfortunately for Roth, he couldn't seem to hit when the game wasn't in extra innngs, hitting just .235 for the season, 32-126. When he did hit though he was streaky, having five three-hit games, two within 5 days in June at SI and two within 5 days of August for Charleston and the other coming in the midst of his 10-24 streak in May.
Best of luck Tony. | 74nole
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Who do you feel is a better prospect jb cox and kevin whealen
Curveball-I've seen both of them pitch live and really you're talking about 2 different styles. They're both gonna be good and they're both gonna be effective, when JB is on he's a ground ball producing machine and when Kevin is on he's a strike out/pop-up guy IMO | yogibuck55
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(12/21/06 1:10:43 pm)
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Right now, I'd pick Cox only because he's suceeded at a higher level. | mlb1996
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Cox has the better pedigree and he's more refined right now. He's the steadier bet to reach his potential. Whelan strikes me as being more raw at this stage, though his stuff may project higher. He's lower within the overall depth chart at this point, but he can also move up fast. I'm glad that we've got both of them. I love the pitching depth. | CurveBall1122
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(12/23/06 12:02:25 am)
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THANKS FOR THE INFO
ANY IDEA ON A SCOUTING REPORT FOR FERDIN TEJADA | CurveBall1122
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being this thread has been next to dead recently i figured i will start a new topic that some people should have an opinion on and we can start this thread back up.
the yankees signed juan miranda and cashman announced that he will start off in tampa (a+) because of the tough transition and he will work his way up from there. i am guessing he will need atleast a year to go through tampa , trenton , and scranton so technically he is a prospect. how would you guys rate him. would you say he is a top 100 prospect in all of the mlb. how would you rate him on our list. would you put him down as our second best hitting prospect behind tabata and like number 5 overall. is that overating him and he is only a "b" level prospect. let me hear some thoughts.
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Posted: 1/10/2007 12:14 PM
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Anyone know what's the deal with Montero?
The Yankees reportedly gave another international player $2 million this year, but reports on Jesus Montero have not been good ever since the Yankees signed him for that amount in July. Montero has been dogged by rumors that he fudged his age or worse, and sources had indicated for weeks that his contract was under review by the commissioner's office at the Yankees' request.
Newman confirmed that the Yankees and Montero, a Venezuelan catcher with prodigious power potential, had "long, involved" negotiations. He would not comment on the value of Montero's signing bonus, but said one source's information--that Montero's bonus had been restructured to $1.3 million--was not correct. His only on the record comment was that "there is no age issue" with Montero, who struggled in the Yankees' fall mini-camp.
www.baseballamerica.com/t...62991.html | celebopedia
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We have a long time to figure out how good Jesus Montero will or will not be. Next season hopefully he can get some at-bats in the GCL and make Baseball America look stupid.  | danman1202
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Can anyone give me any information on Mr. Francisco Gil, the young man who is on the front page of Pinstripes Plus today? I mean, what is his ceiling? What does he throw? Just a quick report would be fine. Thanks.
"I'm saying arod will never win a world series ring unless he buys one on ebay "-litbitd
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even though they can be 3 or 4 on our list i think it is unfair to rank either 2 of them above hughes, tabata, sanchez and clippard.
BA just doesn't like Clippard and have never been high on him.
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Can anyone give me any information on Mr. Francisco Gil, the young man who is on the front page of Pinstripes Plus today? I mean, what is his ceiling? What does he throw? Just a quick report would be fine. Thanks.
Basically, he's like Wang. He's 17 and throws a sinker in the low-90s already. |
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what prospects do you guys have that will be playing in AAA this year, i want to know who to look out for when i go to their games. Don't live far away. I know Hughes is supposed to be good, but i don't think he'll be with AAA for too long. | danman1202
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Basically, he's like Wang. He's 17 and throws a sinker in the low-90s already.
Thanks CToon.
"I'm saying arod will never win a world series ring unless he buys one on ebay "-litbitd
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what prospects do you guys have that will be playing in AAA this year, i want to know who to look out for when i go to their games. Don't live far away. I know Hughes is supposed to be good, but i don't think he'll be with AAA for too long.
anyone??  | ksoch
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what prospects do you guys have that will be playing in AAA this year, i want to know who to look out for when i go to their games.
I'm not one of the minor league experts on the board but from what I've read in this thread about the prospects, here are some players that interest me: Tyler Clippard and Humerto Sanchez join Hughes as SP to watch at AAA. JB Cox excelled in AA last year so I expect he'll begin '07 at AAA, he's a good RP to watch. OF Brett Gardner is an interesting player too - leadoff hitter and SB threat. He was also at AA last year though so I'm not sure if he'll be at AAA right out of the gate. If 1B Eric Duncan puts it together and starts living up to the hype then he could be a good one to watch as well. Might start at AA though until he does actually figure it out.
SP Ian Kennedy, SP Joba Chamberlain, and RP Kevin Whalen are some other big name prospects, but they'll be below AAA to start the season with a shot (I think) of arriving in Scranton later in the season.
Others should be able to add to these names - and possibly correct me on someone who isn't as close to AAA as I thought. | ksoch
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A NY Times article (burried in the last paragraph) mentions that the Yanks added a LHP to their minors. They signed Ben Kozlowski (previously in the Dodgers' system, and the Reds before that) to a minor league deal. Kozlowski turns 27 in August next year.
He had ERAs over 4.00 for 3 seasons leading up to his AA time last year. In 83 IP (33 games, 7 starts), between CIN's and LAD's AA teams, he had a 2.39 ERA along with 7.81 K/9, 3.79 BB/9, and 8.13 hits/9.
He got a few innings in at the AAA level for both organizations but neither stint went well. In 14 1/3 total IP, he had an 11.93 ERA. | jwildfogel
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I like the pick-up of Alberto Gonzalez a lot. Even though I am a huge fan of Andy Cannizaro I have been concerned that for Yanks have had no middle infielders since Cano that they could call up in an emergency and reasonably hope he could manage until the starter came back.
As soon as the RJ trades goes through, Gonzalez becomes the Yanks best middle infielder above A ball. I don't know that he is ready to play in the majors yet, even in an emergency but from what I read about his improvement as the year went on due to his improved ability to recognize pitchers and go with the pitch to right field and from what I have seen of his stats (rarely strikes out - once per 10 AB; improved walks and HRs; good BA and decent OBP) I think he will be able to handle the majors if he needs to, allowing the Yanks to avoid having to make a trade should they have an injury to a middle infielder.
With Gonzalez' arrival, Cannizaro probably switches to second base and becomes the starter for Scranton/WB while Gabe Lopez probabaly has the misfortune of starting his third season at second base for AA Trenton.
Right now, I see the rest of the Scranton/WB infield as Angel Chavez at 3B (he is light-hitting but played there last year - literally, as he was the 3B for Scranton/WB (Phillies) in 2006), Shelley Duncan/Eric Duncan at 1B (i'd start Eric at AA, but I'm not sure that the Yanks will do this) and perhaps Carlos Mendoza as the utility infielder. Kevin Howard could have something to say about who starts at 3B if he has a good ST abd Chavez could challenge Cannizaro for the second base job if Howard is at third. Of course, the smart thing would be to have all of these guys playing as many positions as they can since none of them is likely to be a starting infielder for the Yanks with Cano, Jeter, and ARod manning second, short, and third, respectively, for the foreseeable future.
The above are my own thoughts. If you have read otherwise or have different thoughts, I'd love to hear them. | cobracity
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I sure hope ohlendorf turns into a number two or three guy but all indications are that this was purely a salary dump. The Steinbrenner years of winning at all costs may well be over, as a few more million, which in Steinbrenner's pre senility hey day was peanuts, would have gotten us Owings, a pitcher with much more upside than the sinkerballing Ohlendorf. I agree that Gonzales may turn out to be the best piece in this deal. | jtalamo
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Cobracity: I've read differing opinions on this. Some scouts believe Olendorf is a better prospect than Owings while others prefer Owings (mainly because he's closer to ML ready). Keep in mind that the Yankees hired an Arizona scout during the winter so they probably have some insight regarding these pitchers that they normally would not have had. I'm going to withhold my judgement on this until I see how it plays out. One thing that cannot be disputed is a rotation of Hughes, Clippard, Shancez, Olendorf, & Jackson in AAA will be the envy of almost every team in baseball. Thankfully, there will be no more Sidney Ponson's or Darrly May's in our immediate future. | tormerr
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I like the pick-up of Alberto Gonzalez a lot. Even though I am a huge fan of Andy Cannizaro I have been concerned that for Yanks have had no middle infielders since Cano that they could call up in an emergency and reasonably hope he could manage until the starter came back.
Jwild, - Do you think this opens up the possibility of having Andy Cannizaro, as the backup infielder, on the Yanks this season. Since the Yanks have signed Miencakvitz, I think that gives Phillips the inside track for the righty part of the Platoon for 1st base. With the versatility Andy brings by being able to play 3rd and 2nd. The other thing that I think plays into this is that the Yanks do not seem to interested in bringing back Cairo, and Lorretta has signed with the Astros.
I would have preferred to see Phillips play full time at 1st for this year. This will be the only way you will see if he can produce on offence over a full year with 500 at bats.
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I like the pick-up of Alberto Gonzalez a lot.
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Jwild, - Do you think this opens up the possibility of having Andy Cannizaro, as the backup infielder, on the Yanks this season. Since the Yanks have signed Miencakvitz, I think that gives Phillips the inside track for the righty part of the Platoon for 1st base. With the versatility Andy brings by being able to play 3rd and 2nd. The other thing that I think plays into this is that the Yanks do not seem to interested in bringing back Cairo, and Lorretta has signed with the Astros.
I think getting Gonzalez has no bearing on whether Cannizaro plays for the Yanks as the utility infielder. For the last many years the minor league teams exist to serve the major league teams. If the Yanks thought Cannizaro would help them they'd bring him up whether there was an adequate replacement or not. They'd probably try to sign a minor league free agent to replace him, but if they couldn't that wouldn't stop them from calling up the minor league player they wanted. There are many times that a AAA team fails to make the post-season because the major league team brings up a player they need. That's the way it goes.
I doubt the Yanks want Cannizaro as their utility infielder because he doesn't have the experience they are usually looking for - nor the speed that would be useful to the team - but we'll see. | mlb1996
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An interesting nydailynews article on Ohlendorf. It offers some insightful anecdotes beyond the usual handbook projections and stats. I like this one:
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Bradley recalled looking at Ohlendorf's stats the last two years and wondering if his former player was throwing too many innings - he pitched 157 in his first full year, 2005, and 177-2/3 last season, not counting the postseason or a stint in Triple-A. "A lot of organizations wouldn't think of letting a guy throw that much and I called a friend of mine who works for the Diamondbacks and said, 'Are you concerned?' He said, 'Normally, we would be.'"
Turns out, though, that Ohlendorf's velocity was consistently higher at the end of the season - from 91-95 mph hour - than it was at the start, when he was averaging 89-93. "My friends said, 'He's getting stronger while everyone else is getting tired,'" Bradley said.
He looks to be a big workhorse. Edited by: mlb1996 at: 1/5/07 4:53:25 pm
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He looks to be a big workhorse.
Since his velocity goes up as the season progresses, he also looks like a guy that could elevate his game in October. | VTYankeesFan
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Just out of curiosity, how does the 40-man roster get managed at this point? My understanding was that, after signing Igawa and Pettitte, we were at 39 players. Now we remove RJ, add Vizcaino and Mientziewicz (or however the hell it is spelled) and Gonzalez, who was on the 40-man for Arizona. That makes 41, by my count, which doesn't work.
Am I missing something? | mlb1996
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(1/6/07 11:58:46 pm)
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I believe the tally was at 37 after Pettitte and Igawa were added. So we should be at 39 after the RJ trade and after the addition of Mientkiewicz. Edited by: mlb1996 at: 1/7/07 12:00:09 am
| michael987
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John Sickels released a revised Top 20 Yankees Prospects list. It now includes players from both the Shef and Unit trades. Every newly acquired prospect other than A. Clagget made the list with Humberto Sanchez going at #3 and Ross Ohlendorf at #12.
Love or hate those trades, they certainly improved farm strength.
See the list:
minorleagueball.com/story...14735/9204
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Cobracity: I've read differing opinions on this. Some scouts believe Olendorf is a better prospect than Owings while others prefer Owings (mainly because he's closer to ML ready). Keep in mind that the Yankees hired an Arizona scout during the winter so they probably have some insight regarding these pitchers that they normally would not have had.
The only thing I'd take from this is that the Yankees decided that Owings wasn't so much better than Ohlendorf that he was worth throwing more money in. Personally, looking at their numbers, I think they're right. I didn't think any of Arizona's starters were really that impressive.
I think the Yankees did a good job taking the thinking-pitcher (he's a Princeton grad) who throws stuff that moves. They've had more success coaching those types of pitchers. Also, Ohlendorf's ability to keep the ball in the yard will help him succeed. Personally, I think they envision Ohlendorf as a future Ramiro Mendoza-type - a rubber-armed sinker-baller out of the bullpen. | silver28
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It's possible CToon, but I think they'll see how Ohlendorf continues to develop. So far he has proven to be durable and goes deep into games. Why move someone like that to the bullpen if he's an innings eater?
| jwildfogel
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Yanks re-signed 26-year old reliever, Francisco Butto, who had a 2.99 ERA for Trenton in 2006, 57 K/29 BB in 72.3 IP plus 6 IP (4.50 ERA) in AAA. Butto started in five of his last six appearances (his last five appearances for Trenton) and did very well in those starts, especially the last three in which he tossed 17.7 IP while allowing just 1 ER on 13 hits. This winter he was the closer on his Venezuelan Winter League team.
It will be interesting to see whether the Yanks use him as a reliever or starter and whether he begins the season at AA or AAA. There will tons of competition no matter which scenario plays out.
The Yanks released 23-year old 1B Kyle Larsen. After an excellent 2005 campaign at SI (.308-6-49 in 240 AB) Larsen never got untracked at Charleston (.179 BA, 1 HR in 84 AB) and while he hit for power back with SI ( HRs in 264 AB) his batting average dipped to .235. Larsen's release clears the way for Kevin Smith (.277 BA, .406 SLG at SI) and Gerardo Rodriguez (.285-3-28 in 137 AB at TGCL, 13 doubles, .455 SLG) to compete for the Charleston first base job. | CToon
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It's possible CToon, but I think they'll see how Ohlendorf continues to develop. So far he has proven to be durable and goes deep into games. Why move someone like that to the bullpen if he's an innings eater?
The Yankees have a number of guys who can eat innings, which seems to be the main problem. You can't keep them all in the rotation. I could be wrong, because I don't know that much about him, but from his stats and scouting reports, he doesn't sound like he's much better than the 5 projected Scranton starters. Certainly not Hughes, Clippard, or Sanchez. He might throw harder than Karstens and have better control than White, but I think for both of those reasons, he'd be more successful in the bullpen than either of them.
It will be really interesting to see how it all shakes out throughout the entire organization next year. There are a lot of names for a limited number of spots at all levels. | Tony53
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If you read the article over at the Diamondbacks site, it says that there are some evaluators that would take Ohlendorf over Owings. One Southern League scout is quoted as saying that he had more polish than Nippert and better stuff than Owings.
It says he has a excellent sinking fastball and a plus hammer curve. His change needs some work.
His exit interview article shows that the Diamondback site guys don't know our system. They say he will be ranked extremely high since we are a thin system and that he is a hot start or an injury away from a major league deput. I guess they don't realize we have the BEST farm system in the majors in terms of RHPers. |
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It says he has a excellent sinking fastball and a plus hammer curve. His change needs some work.
Tony53-His interview on our Front Page says his go to pitch is a sinking 2 seam FB that sits 90-91 and produces a ton of ground balls. It further quotes him as saying he throws a slider for an out pitch but he knows he needs to work on it so he can also throw it for strikes, and he also says his change up got alot better to him last year but one of his top goals this year is to be able to locate that pitch better. At least in that interview he didn't mention anything about throwing a curve ball. Edited by: 74nole at: 1/10/07 10:36:03 am
| Tony53
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Lost in the glory of Ohlendorf's newly enhanced sinker is his plus curveball. His hammer has a hard dip to it, and it's tailing action makes him nearly unhittable against fellow right-handers. His changeup does still need work, though. Ohlendorf needs that change to fade better against lefties in order to prevent them from just sitting on his sinker.
This is from a january 7th article posted on the 8th Titled Top 50 Diamondbacks Profile: Ross Ohlendorf. That was the one I linked to.
There are now 3 article about him overthere---the top 50, his exit interview and a Excited to be a Yankee.
Edit: I just noticed that the last one is by our very own Patrick. I just read the article and I see your point. There is no mention of a curve which conflicts with the Diamondback prospect article.
Maybe patrick can shed som elight on this conflict.
Edited once again. NVM I just saw a quote by Patrick on the new board. The Diamondback article is mistaken. That's a pretty BIG mistake. Edited by: Tony53 at: 1/10/07 10:50:52 am
| ksoch
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On the front page of yankees.com towards the bottom with the other multimedia links, there's an interview with Ohlendorf. At the end of it (about 7 mins, 40 sec), he answers a fan's question on what pitches he throws. His response:
"I throw a fastball, slider, and changeup. The changeup's something I really just started throwing this past season. I threw it a little bit my first full season, but it became a more effective pitch for me this past year. I relied mostly on my fastball. When I'm throwing it well, I get pretty good movement." Edited by: ksoch at: 1/10/07 11:23:44 am
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Nardi will have him scrap the slider for a curveball, I'd be willing to bet on it. |
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