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Rumor- Twins FO Cleaning House???

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Posted: 10/4/2012 2:38 PM

Rumor- Twins FO Cleaning House??? 


Heard a rumor today that management has cleaned house, and has let a few coaches go. Gardy & Anderson still here though. Has anyone else heard anything and can confirm?
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Posted: 10/4/2012 5:01 PM

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Rumors do indeed seem to be flying that Liddle and Stelmaszek have been fired and that Vavra has been "reassigned within the organization".  I'm not sure that firing the bullpen coach and thirdbase coach alone will make a difference, but perhaps they have their eyes on some guys who could be Gardy's heir-apparents in case the team stumbles under him again.  Personally, I'd love to see Molitor brought in as either a bench coach or thirdbase coach and Brunansky brought in as the hitting coach.  As for the bullpen coach?  Who cares?

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Posted: 10/4/2012 6:34 PM

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I've heard that Vavra, Stalmazek, Ullger, and White have been let go as well as the trainer (Don't understand that).
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Posted: 10/4/2012 6:52 PM

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nothing whatsoever will improve until they get a new manager. A 3 game 'improvement' from 63 to 66 wins is no improvement at all. Pitching was bad, the rest of the personnel were pretty decent. Team was totally dysfuctional. Should have been much better. The manager has grown stale. Twins absolutely need a change. Its nearly as much of a no brainer as the RedSox dumping Valentine today.
Gardenhire has done nothing in the past 2 seasons, or the recent playoff misfires to justify him returning.
Shame on the Twins if they don't make the change.

Officially Glynn, Bruno and Cueller have all been promoted.

Last edited 10/4/2012 6:53 PM by insagt1

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Posted: 10/4/2012 10:01 PM

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It's now official that everyone but Gardy and Anderson have been let go or reassigned.  Jerry White's termination surprises me a bit, as I always felt that he did a good job.  

Generally when an entire staff is let go like that, it means the manager isn't going to be that far behind. I think these moves are management's way of telling Gardy that he is on thin ice and will be next if they don't see immediate improvement next season. 

As for people wondering why the trainer was let go, well,  just look at the injuries the Twins have had in the past few years, especially amongst their pitchers.  Considering the injuries and problems they have had, I can't help but wonder if the strength and conditioning program within the organization has been lacking.

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Posted: 10/4/2012 10:08 PM

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You can bet Bruno will be the hitting coach and I doubt Molitor would accept anything lower than Third base or bench coach.  You can bet he will be the next manager if Gardenhire can't turn this ship.  They need to bring in someone who can call the game from the dugout.  Mauer simply calls an awful game.  if Mauer isn't at fault, my apologies but Butera appears to handle pitchers so much better. 

Molitors presence in the dugout will elevate the knowledge in the dugout tenfold.  He could be the first base coach because of his experience as an excellent base runner but he probably should be next in line (aka bench or third base coach) and work with Bruno to help the hitters (especially the young ones).
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Posted: 10/4/2012 11:43 PM

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Here's a quote from an article about the firings that I found interesting:

"Earlier this week, coach Ron Gardenhire said he would prefer to have his staff back next season."

With management boldy refusing to acquiesce to Gardy's preference to keep his staff, it's clear that they no longer view him as infallible.  Part of me wonders if these moves were made in an attempt to get Gardy to resign.  Regardless,  barring a great start,  I don't see him finishing the 2013 season.

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Posted: 10/5/2012 6:20 AM

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word here is that Glynn was named the new 3rd base coach. (but not an 'official' report)
I can't see replacing the whole staff and keeping the manager. Its like putting on a fresh new suit without taking a shower after sweating all day.
If the Twins feel this way about the staff...why keep the manager when its pretty clear he is part of the problem as well.

Last edited 10/5/2012 6:39 AM by insagt1

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Posted: 10/5/2012 8:22 PM

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And Terry Ryan took the "Interim" tag off himself.  GOOD to see, as he's committed to turning this thing around... 

Yep, Gardy is officially on notice, for what it's worth.
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Posted: 10/5/2012 8:57 PM

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Now the question becomes how many seasons do they keep him "on notice?"
 Meyer and May will be top of the rotation starters by 2015. 
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Posted: 10/6/2012 6:01 AM

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Gardy's contract is set to expire at the end of next season and it was reported yesterday that Ryan informed him that they will not be giving him an extension beyond that until they see what happens next season.  Gardy was quoted as saying that he understood and didn't feel that he deserved an extension after the past two seasons. Right now, I don't think there is any amibuity about it;  Gardy's days are numbered and he knows it.  Barring a miraculous turnaround,  my guess is that by this time next year,  Ron Gardenhire will no longer be the manager.

Last edited 10/6/2012 7:33 AM by TwinsFaninVT

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Posted: 10/6/2012 8:29 AM

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Sounds to me like management may finally be figuring out Gardy... Several years too late.
 Meyer and May will be top of the rotation starters by 2015. 
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Posted: 10/6/2012 10:47 AM

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slydel9 wrote: Sounds to me like management may finally be figuring out Gardy... Several years too late.
I think what they are figuring out is that back-to-back 90 + loss seasons equates to less tickets sold.  Unfortunately, I think ownership and management has always believed that simply making the playoffs was "good enough" to keep the fans moving through the gates, which is why Gardy has been around for so long.   Had they taken a big picture approach, they would have figured out in 2004 that Gardy was clearly wasn't the guy to get them over the hump and made a change then.

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Posted: 10/6/2012 8:28 PM

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I've said this before...Twins management views Gardy the same as the Sabres management views Lindy Ruff.....for some reason, untouchable. Yet Ruff hasn't won a thing in Buffalo, and Gardy, while getting some division pennants (as Ruff has done too) has not won squat in the playoffs. The stubbornness of both I believe is very stupid as both franchises are just languishing and going nowhere.
Gardenhire needs to go. Everyone it seems can see this but Twins ownership.
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Posted: 10/6/2012 9:47 PM

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insagt1 wrote: I've said this before...Twins management views Gardy the same as the Sabres management views Lindy Ruff.....for some reason, untouchable. Yet Ruff hasn't won a thing in Buffalo, and Gardy, while getting some division pennants (as Ruff has done too) has not won squat in the playoffs. The stubbornness of both I believe is very stupid as both franchises are just languishing and going nowhere.
Gardenhire needs to go. Everyone it seems can see this but Twins ownership.
I wouldn't mind seeing Gardy demoted to A ball, I dislike him that much. I wonder if Gardy somehow pulls a 1st place season out of his hat next year, does that earn him an extension?
 Meyer and May will be top of the rotation starters by 2015. 
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Posted: 10/7/2012 9:14 AM

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I don't think he is a bad manager....I just think he has been on this job too long. The Twins are stale and clearly, this year, they didn't respond at all to any leadership. They were mechanical, stiff, and they appeared disinterested from day 1. They were swept in the first 3 games by Baltimore and they never recovered. I have thought all year that this years' team was a bigger disappointment than last years' team.

Several players had decent seasons (Willingham, Revere, Mauer to name just 3) but it made absolutely no difference. A kindergartner could figure out, the team's rudder was stuck and the ship just kept going in circles.

Why is this so hard for Twins management to comprehend?
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Posted: 10/7/2012 9:22 AM

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slydel9 wrote:   I wonder if Gardy somehow pulls a 1st place season out of his hat next year, does that earn him an extension?
I'll put it this way;  a first place finish alone shouldn't earn him an extension, but sadly, it probably will (as it has in the past).   IMO, the only way he should possibly earn an extension is if he actually wins the division and wins a round in the playoffs (preferably against the Yankees).   If he wins a weak AL Central though, and then gets blown out of the ALDS, it's just Groundhog Day all over again and the cycle will likely never change with him at the helm.

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Posted: 10/7/2012 11:24 AM

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Here is yet another piece of evidence that Gardy in no longer held in high regard by the powers-that-be.  Like many of you,  I received the annual "end of the season" e-mail from the Twins.   In pointing out the strengths of the organization, they mentioned the core players on the roster,  the talent in the farm system, and, last but not least, they mentioned their strong General Manager.  Whose mention was conspicously missing, however?   Take a look:

"Yes, we made errors and struck out.

But our tomorrow begins today.

We’re working diligently to make this team better.

Striving to get back to a level to which we know we’re capable of playing.

We have a strong list of players to build around.

Players who chased batting titles, made head-turning catches, hit towering home runs and emerged from nowhere to pitch solid innings.

We have talent in our farm system.

We have a general manager with a history of winning, who is willing to make tough decisions.

And if our own past has taught us anything, it's that you can never count out the Minnesota Twins, no matter where they finish the year before.

So as we move toward 2013, we hope you join us in dusting the dirt off our collective uniforms and running full-speed back out onto the field, ready to play ball. We hope you'll be there with us."


The fact they didn't make a single mention of their long-tenured manager speaks volumes, IMO, especially in light of the fact that this is the first time since I've been receiving these letters that Gardenhire was not specifically praised by name.

Last edited 10/7/2012 11:25 AM by TwinsFaninVT

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Posted: 10/7/2012 6:43 PM

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TwinsFaninVT wrote:

Here is yet another piece of evidence that Gardy in no longer held in high regard by the powers-that-be.  Like many of you,  I received the annual "end of the season" e-mail from the Twins.   In pointing out the strengths of the organization, they mentioned the core players on the roster,  the talent in the farm system, and, last but not least, they mentioned their strong General Manager.  Whose mention was conspicously missing, however?   Take a look:

"Yes, we made errors and struck out.

But our tomorrow begins today.

We’re working diligently to make this team better.

Striving to get back to a level to which we know we’re capable of playing.

We have a strong list of players to build around.

Players who chased batting titles, made head-turning catches, hit towering home runs and emerged from nowhere to pitch solid innings.

We have talent in our farm system.

We have a general manager with a history of winning, who is willing to make tough decisions.

And if our own past has taught us anything, it's that you can never count out the Minnesota Twins, no matter where they finish the year before.

So as we move toward 2013, we hope you join us in dusting the dirt off our collective uniforms and running full-speed back out onto the field, ready to play ball. We hope you'll be there with us."


The fact they didn't make a single mention of their long-tenured manager speaks volumes, IMO, especially in light of the fact that this is the first time since I've been receiving these letters that Gardenhire was not specifically praised by name.

This was also the full page ad that the Twins take out at the end of every season in the Star Tribune.
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Posted: 10/8/2012 7:03 AM

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so if this is the case, what justification do the Twins have for retaining Gardenhire? Other than they just don't care to make the necesssary change?
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