Free Trial Ad
Why Subscribe?
  • Player/Prospect News
  • Exclusive Insider Info
  • Members-Only Forums
  • Exclusive Videos
  • Subscribe Now!
Inbox

Marking Time

Posted: 8/19/2014 11:24 PM

Marking Time 


Here's the problem as the schedule runs out....sometimes you just have to win to stay put. Wings put together their second straight solid game tonite as they defeated their Thruway nemesis to the West 7-2,
Newbie Tyler Duffey made his second start for the Wings and pitched 6 strong innings, allowing just 2 runs. Lester Oliveros with another fine 2 innings of relief, allowing nothing and fanning 4. Tonkin finished up with a rare scoreless inning.
Wings struck right away in the first inning, scoring twice and never looked back, They were paced tonite by solo homeruns by the slumping Chris Colabello and Wilkin Ramirez and a bases clearing double by the rejuvenated Pedro Florimon.

Colabello took over the team lead in HR's with 9 and Ramirez hit his 4th. UNfortunately, Pawtucket also won so the Wings remain 2 back of the Sox with 13 to play. Syracuse blew a 9th inning lead and lost to Scranton so Rochester trails the Chiefs by 5. Its unreasonable to think they can catch the Chiefs, even with 4 more games against them. The win over Buffalo moves the Wings one up on the Bisons with the final game of this mini-series tomorrow. Alex Meyer takes the hill in an attempt to go more than 6 innings for the first time this season.

The Wings bullpen has been overall terrible in August, but now with two notable exceptions. Oliveros has had an incredible run lately. In his last 9 appearances he has not given up a run. And he has fanned 31 in his last 18 innings. And newcomer Pryor has only allowed 2 hits since joining the team. They have tried to pick up the slack for the terrible trio Thompson, Achter and Tonkin, who have pretty much fallen apart.

Wings are 70-61. And their playoff hopes flicker on.

Interesting stuff: Wings play their final two games against Pawtucket. They are 7-7 against them so far. If they go into those games trailing by 1 or 2, they have to win both to gain the WC, assuming Pawtucket is still the team to beat. They would get the spot by virtue of winning the season series in the case of a tie.

If they lead the Sox by 1 or 2 games and lose them both, Pawtucket gets the spot. In this case a tie goes to the Sox for winning the season series.

If they go into the games tied and they split, remaining tied and also tied in the season series, I'm not sure what the next tie breaker is. Given the tight schedule the IL has to complete the playoffs, I don't know if there would be a one game playoff game to decide the spot.

Edit: the next tiebreaker is the teams' intradivisional record. In that case the Wings would probably lose out since they are 1 under .500 and the Sox are 5 over ,500. No way the Wings could catch up. so we don't want to go there.....

Last edited 8/19/2014 11:55 PM by insagt1

Reply | Quote

Posted: 8/20/2014 7:52 AM

Re: Marking Time 


Its just a pipe dream, but since the Twins are merely marking time as well, it would really be nice if they left Pino down here to get 2 or 3 more starts to help the Wings make the playoffs...and leave May up for another start or two. Then recall Pino in September when our season is over. Honestly, he is more valuable down here with us then getting lit up in meaningless games in Minnesota.
Yeah, I get the major league payday and all, but efficient use of resources would indicate that allowing a AAA talent the chance to get a team to postseason vs a marginal, at best, major league talent pitching meaningless games would make some sense.

Just dreaming I know because Twins have already indicated he will probably pitch this weekend against the Tigers, but still---my position I believe is reasonable given the situation of both teams.

Bottom line: probably no chance in hell of it happening.
Reply | Quote

Posted: 8/20/2014 9:15 AM

Re: Marking Time 



insagt1 wrote: Its just a pipe dream, but since the Twins are merely marking time as well, it would really be nice if they left Pino down here to get 2 or 3 more starts to help the Wings make the playoffs...and leave May up for another start or two. Then recall Pino in September when our season is over. Honestly, he is more valuable down here with us then getting lit up in meaningless games in Minnesota.
Yeah, I get the major league payday and all, but efficient use of resources would indicate that allowing a AAA talent the chance to get a team to postseason vs a marginal, at best, major league talent pitching meaningless games would make some sense.

Just dreaming I know because Twins have already indicated he will probably pitch this weekend against the Tigers, but still---my position I believe is reasonable given the situation of both teams.

Bottom line: probably no chance in hell of it happening.
I agree, in regards to Pino. Not so much because of the position of the 2 teams, but more-so because he dominates AAA but gets lit up in the majors. If he ever has value to this team, he will keep putting up great numbers in the minors, and maybe we can get something in return for him in the future (Although he's relatively old, correct? Over 30?)

If your stance is that the Twins season is pointless now, and the Wings are playing for something, why not send them Dozier, Mauer, Santana, Arcia, etc?

Most times a disagree with planning around the farm systems' W-L record, but in regards to Pino, I definitely think it would benefit both him and the Red Wings for him to stay there.
Reply | Quote

Posted: 8/20/2014 12:00 PM

Re: Marking Time 



HighandTight29 wrote:
insagt1 wrote: Its just a pipe dream, but since the Twins are merely marking time as well, it would really be nice if they left Pino down here to get 2 or 3 more starts to help the Wings make the playoffs...and leave May up for another start or two. Then recall Pino in September when our season is over. Honestly, he is more valuable down here with us then getting lit up in meaningless games in Minnesota.
Yeah, I get the major league payday and all, but efficient use of resources would indicate that allowing a AAA talent the chance to get a team to postseason vs a marginal, at best, major league talent pitching meaningless games would make some sense.

Just dreaming I know because Twins have already indicated he will probably pitch this weekend against the Tigers, but still---my position I believe is reasonable given the situation of both teams.

Bottom line: probably no chance in hell of it happening.
I agree, in regards to Pino. Not so much because of the position of the 2 teams, but more-so because he dominates AAA but gets lit up in the majors. If he ever has value to this team, he will keep putting up great numbers in the minors, and maybe we can get something in return for him in the future (Although he's relatively old, correct? Over 30?)

If your stance is that the Twins season is pointless now, and the Wings are playing for something, why not send them Dozier, Mauer, Santana, Arcia, etc?

Most times a disagree with planning around the farm systems' W-L record, but in regards to Pino, I definitely think it would benefit both him and the Red Wings for him to stay there.
 Iwas with you until the pretty inane sentence about Dozier, Mauer, Santana etc.frown Come on now....I was trying to be reasonable, not stupid. Those players you mentioned are major league players.playing regularly.  Pino is simply a recall and a rather old one at that. Those are the sorts of players that organizationally make the most sense leaving in AAA, where they can do the most good.  You did acknowledge that. The on-the-bubble players on a non-playoff roster are the ones that I believe can help the organization most by staying put and helping their team win, (and not to open up another argument but winning most certainly matters in the minor leagues...I witnessed it, I know it matters)

And I honestly do think the Twins season is for the most part, pointless right now. They are going nowhere fast and unless the WhiteSox totally disintegrate, will finish on the bottom again. Not as bad maybe as the last 3 years but this is now experiment time....audition time come September..finding out whether the Arcias;, Parmelees, Pinto's Colabellos, Vargas, Santana's of the world are the real deal or should they be moved on. There is value in having that 'luxury' of playing with little pressure.

Yes, the Twins will have the integrity to play the playoff contenders tough, but at the same time, they can effectively evalutate a lot of their younger talent.

Niether May nor Pino really belong in a major league rotation. Pino may be too old; May too young and raw. But they need 5 starters from somewhere. I believe the one who should get a couple more looks is Darnell. Bring him up and send May down....and keep Pino here till the IL season is over.

Last edited 8/20/2014 12:03 PM by insagt1

Reply | Quote

Posted: 8/20/2014 1:28 PM

Re: Marking Time 


I know, I was just trying to see where you thought the line ended. 

Say, for instance, Vargas got called to AAA instead... and was hitting .400 with 10 HR's through 15 games, does he deserve a call up to the Twins for the last 40 games? Or does the Red Wings' success deserve him to stay there for their last 15 games? Or should it be up to Vargas? 

In cases like Pino and Colabello, they have proved they can put up All-star type numbers in AAA, but have faltered in the majors...The Red Wings can have as many players for their stretch run as they want. But when it comes to people that would have gotten called up because of their success at any other point in the year, deserve the same chances, and shouldn't be held back because their Minor League Affiliate is in contention. Just my personal two cents...
Reply | Quote

Posted: 8/20/2014 6:51 PM

Re: Marking Time 


This boils down to organizational philosophy. When Parmelee excelled early in the season, he deserved and got the call. Same with Arcia. He came off the DL and was outrighted to Rochester, first. When he got his swing back, up he went. I think the Twins have been good about their use of their players this season overall, Colabello deserved his demotion...then his recall...and finally his demotion again. As the season in the minors winds down, some organizations will 'load up' their farm team in AAA to see what they can do. Clearly after Sept 1, the most deserving get called up for the final month.

I think Pino, as mostly a minor leaguer, should finish up here. I also think May doesn't belong in the majors. But I also know the Twins are strapped for starters.

Overall, I have liked the way the Twins have dealt with us this season. They rolled the dice with Vargas and he has delivered so far. With Colabello here, Vargas bypassing AAA is OK.
Reply | Quote