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2014 Former Twins ALL STAR TEAM!

Posted: 7/31/2014 10:07 PM

2014 Former Twins ALL STAR TEAM! 


Just look at all the talented outfielders at the top of my lineup.  I wonder if the Twins could use any of these guys!  Also, amazing how I can't find a place for either Denard Span and Delmon Young!, Denard is  simply igniting the Nationals, hitting .306  with a OBP of .350, stolen 22/24 bases and has scored 66 runs!  Delmon, well, the guy can hit...  head-case, yeah, but he's hitting .333 for the Orioles in limited play (133 at-bats) but has provided some offense for them. 

Here's my official starting lineup, comprised of all former Twins.  I've also put compiled my 25 man roster.  

1.)  LF - Ben Revere (Phillies) - .309 - 31 Stolen Bases (out of 35 attempts) - 52 runs - NOTE:  The guy has yet another 4 hits tonight - he can flat out hit AND he's got a great glove.  Earlier this year, Ryno kept yo-yoing him around - but all he had to do is plug him in and let him go!  Revere is one of this team's bright spots...
2.)  RF - Torii Hunter (Tigers) - .281, 15 BOMBS, 61 RBI's - Torii continues to shine in the twilight of his career.
3.)  CF  - Carlos Gomez (Brewers) - .294, 15 BOMBS, 53 RBI's, OBP of .355 - 20/24 Stolen Bases - the guy has ALL the TOOLS!  
4.)  1B - Justin Morneau - .313, 13 BOMBS and 63 RBI's
Note:  Congrats to Morneau - great to see the guy comeback all the way. 
5.)  DH - David Ortiz - .250, 25 BOMBS and 77 RBI's - Eh, still hurts me to think of what could have been... shame on TR and Gardy.
6.)  SS - JJ Hardy (Orioles) - .280 -
Note:  Though a bit of a power outage, has been nothing short of SOLID and super dependable for the Baltimore Orioles. 
7.)  Catcher - Wilson Ramos - .291 (Nationals) - Remember this guy?  And remember what we got for him?
8.)  3rd Base - Danny Valencia (Blue Jays) - .296 - Now starting for the Blue Jays, the guy can hit.  Undervalued by us because he and Gardy didn't see eye to eye. 
9.)  2nd Base - Nick Punto (A's) -  (Orioles) - .215 BA - yeah, batting 9th for a reason and my weakest spot, but is always good with the glove.

BENCH: 
1. Denard Span (Nationals (.306, .350 OBP) (MORE THAN "SOLID" He's been on fire since June 30th) 
2. Delmon Young (Orioles) - .333 - Dude can hit.
3. AJ Pierzinski -(Cardinals) .310 with the Cards - nice pickup for them.
4. Michael Cuddyer (Rockies) - Batting Champ - coming off injury;
On the outside looking in:  Garrett Jones, Miami
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Pitching:
1.  Matt Garza (Brewers) - 7-7, 3.58 ERA - Got the no-decision today -6 IP, 1 hit, 0 runs vs. Cards!
2.  Frankie Liriano (Pirates) - 3-7, 3.97 ERA - The guy's record is deceptive, but of late, he's mowing people down and absolutely DOMINATING!
3.  Kyle Loshe (Brewers) 11-5, 3.07 - Guy has been sensational;
4.  R.A Dickey (Blue Jays) 9 Wins - ERA 3.91  -
Note:  The guy has been pretty solid and even better lately
5.  Vance Worley (Pirates) 5-1, 2.50 ERA (Thx for reminding me, TF!)
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DFA'd:  Kevin Slowey (Marlins) 1-1, 5.30 ERA 
Note:  Had to find a place for an emerging Vance Worley. 

Bullpen: 
1. Patrick Neshek, (Cardinals) - All Star this year and has a microscopic ERA of 0.79 after yet another scoreless inning tonight. 
2. Grant Balfour - Has struggled a bit with the Rays, but his ERA is deceptive - folks are hitting a measly .210 against him and he is improving as the season progresses. 
3. LaTroy Hawkins (Rockies) 2.92 ERA and 17/18 Saves converted.  Guy has been solid for Rockies;
4. Matt Guerrier (Out of baseball - THANKS TR) Sub 4.00 ERA - As always, pretty dependable;
5. Craig Breslow (Red Sox) - 2-2, 4.74 ERA - ok, not great;
6. JOE NATHAN (Tigers) - Eh, I'll take him - ERA in mid 5's - 4-3 and converted 22/27 save opportunities, he's 39 and clearly not at his best, but has room for him on my Ex-Twin team;
7. Jesse Crain - Ok, so he hasn't played in 2014, but I'll give him a spot based on his 2013 season.

Last edited 8/10/2014 10:33 PM by brian450

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Posted: 7/31/2014 11:08 PM

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I get a headache reading the above. It so reminds me of when we used to do this with the Expos. VT will remember. The Ex-Expos frequently were able to field an all star team.
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Posted: 8/1/2014 4:22 AM

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Good list, but I think I'd insert Vance Worley into Kevin Slowey's spot as the former is having a nice season with the Pirates.

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Posted: 8/1/2014 6:57 AM

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brian450 wrote: Just look at all the talented outfielders at the top of my lineup.  I wonder if the Twins could use any of these guys!  Also, amazing how I can't find a place for either Denard Span and Delmon Young!, Denard is  simply igniting the Nationals, hitting .290  with a OBP of .350, stolen 22/24 bases and has scored 66 runs!  Delmon, well, the guy can hit...  head-case, yeah, but he's hitting .333 for the Orioles in limited play (133 at-bats) but has provided some offense for them. 

Here's my official starting lineup, comprised of all former Twins.  I've also put compiled my 25 man roster.  

1.)  LF - Ben Revere (Phillies) - .307 - 29 Stolen Bases (out of 33 attempts) - 46 runs - NOTE:  The guy has yet another 4 hits tonight - he can flat out hit AND he's got a great glove.  Earlier this year, Ryno kept yo-yoing him around - but all he had to do is plug him in and let him go!  Revere is one of this team's bright spots...  I agree with this one, what we got back (and couldn't do anything with) is pennies and a potential top 3 rotation guy. The fact that Anderson couldn't figure out Worley's delivery "hiccup" was very disappointing to me. Hopefully Buxton will be a balm on this open wound. 

2.)  RF - Torii Hunter (Tigers) - .281, 15 BOMBS, 61 RBI's - Torii continues to shine in the twilight of his career. I agree that Hunter just keeps doing it as he gets older, but if I recall he left for more money??? Correct me if I'm wrong but there wasn't much we could do here. Still a heck of a ball player and one I miss watching in the Twins outfield. 
3.)  CF  - Carlos Gomez (Brewers) - .294, 15 BOMBS, 53 RBI's, OBP of .355 - 20/24 Stolen Bases - the guy has ALL the TOOLS!   He was still pretty raw when we ran him out in center, but as the key piece in the Johan deal you would have thought we would have given him more time to develop.... We had the time, just not the patience or coaching skill... obviously. 
4.)  1B - Justin Morneau - .313, 13 BOMBS and 63 RBI's
Note:  Congrats to Morneau - great to see the guy comeback all the way.  I would have love to have brought Morneau back, splitting time between 1b and DH but apparently the Twins saw something different. He would be especially useful with Mauer out (literally and at the plate). 

5.)  DH - David Ortiz - .250, 25 BOMBS and 77 RBI's - Eh, still hurts me to think of what could have been... shame on TR and Gardy. This one doesn't really bug me a whole lot... I can see why it does some people, but Ortiz struggled as a Twin and Fenway really helps him out with the short porch and Green Monster. 
6.)  SS - JJ Hardy (Orioles) - .273 -
Note:  Though a bit of a power outage, has been nothing short of SOLID and super dependable for the Baltimore Orioles.  The guy we got in the Gomez trade, he was good for us and we shipped him off for ????? We had our shortstop issues solved and we traded him away... STUPID. 

7.)  Catcher - Wilson Ramos - .291 (Nationals) - Remember this guy?  And remember what we got for him? I believe we didn't even get peanuts for him, maybe we got the spent shells?? Suzuki has been a pleasant surprise here but I would rather have Ramos.... Oh, I remember what we got for him!!! The Crapps!!!
8.)  3rd Base - Danny Valencia (Blue Jays) - .282 - Now starting for the Blue Jays, the guy can hit.  Undervalued by us because he and Gardy didn't see eye to eye.  I see Valencia and Plouffe to be about the same. Both are very streaky.   
9.)  2nd Base - Nick Punto (A's) -  (Orioles) - .215 BA - yeah, batting 9th for a reason and my weakest spot, but is always good with the glove. I'm beginning to wonder if you're not Gardy, there brian... with your soft spot for Punto. Personally I think that Knocblach (sp) could still play, he can clearly still hit... (TOO SOON???)


BENCH: 
1. Denard Span (Nationals (.290, .350 OBP) (SOLID)  I remember when we would have an outfield of Revere, Span and Cuddy... the days when fly balls weren't a rollercoaster ride, when the Twins made the highlights for making catches and not chasing after base hits... 
2. Delmon Young (Orioles) - .333 - Dude can hit.  I agree he can hit but we let him go because he didn't fit Gardy's philosophy. 
3. AJ Pierzinski -(Cardinals) .333 with the Cards - nice pickup for them. This one doesn't bother me too much as I've never really liked the guy, but I will agree he can play. 
4. Michael Cuddyer (Rockies) - Batting Champ - coming off injury; He's probably one that I miss the most out of everyone on the list. The guy just played his heart out. 
On the outside looking in:  Garrett Jones, Miami


Pitching:
1.  Matt Garza (Brewers) - 7-7, 3.72 ERA Miss the guy... probably wouldn't have resigned with us anyway and didn't fit with Gardy/Anderson's philosophy... 
2.  Frankie Liriano (Pirates) - 3-7, 3.97 ERA - The guy's record is deceptive, but of late, he's mowing people down and absolutely DOMINATING! We traded him to the White Sox for a bench player who we have to have starting... Another brilliant move by Gardy/Ryan!!! 

3.  Kyle Loshe (Brewers) 11-5, 3.07 - Guy has been sensational;  Didn't fit with the Gardy philosophy... I need to stop now, all this is making me want Gardy fired... well more than I usually want Gardy fired...
4.  R.A Dickey (Blue Jays) 9 Wins - ERA 3.91  -
Note:  The guy has been pretty solid and even better lately
5.  Kevin Slowey (Marlins) 1-1, 5.30 ERA 
Note:  Yeah, he's not been great, but I've gotta use someone as a fifth starter. 

Bullpen: 
1. Patrick Neshek, (Cardinals) - All Star this year and has a microscopic ERA of 0.83 after yet another scoreless inning tonight. 
2. Grant Balfour - Has struggled a bit with the Rays, but his ERA is deceptive - folks are hitting a measly .210 against him and he is improving as the season progresses. 
3. LaTroy Hawkins (Rockies) 2.92 ERA and 17/18 Saves converted.  Guy has been solid for Rockies;

4. Matt Guerrier (Out of baseball - THANKS TR) Sub 4.00 ERA - As always, pretty dependable;
5. Craig Breslow (Red Sox) - 2-2, 4.74 ERA - ok, not great;
6. JOE NATHAN (Tigers) - Eh, I'll take him - ERA in mid 5's - 4-3 and converted 20/25 save opportunities, he's 39 and clearly not at his best, but has room for him on my Ex-Twin team;
7. Jesse Crain - Ok, so he hasn't played in 2014, but I'll give him a spot based on his 2013 season.
 Meyer and May will be top of the rotation starters by 2015. 

Last edited 8/1/2014 6:59 AM by slydel9

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Posted: 8/1/2014 7:32 AM

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I'm not sure I agree that Ortiz struggled as a Twin.  In his last year, he put up solid numbers and was starting to show that he had the potential to be a real power hitter.  I was ticked when they let him go and am still ticked about it to this day.

The one guy I don't feel badly about letting go who is having a good season is R.A. Dickey.  He was miserable for the Twins, caught lightning in a bottle for one season with the Mets and, until this season, has been pretty underwhelming for the Blue Jays.  I don't blame Ryan one iota for letting him walk and honestly wouldn't want him back now for the money he is making.

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Posted: 8/3/2014 6:11 AM

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TwinsFaninVT wrote: Good list, but I think I'd insert Vance Worley into Kevin Slowey's spot as the former is having a nice season with the Pirates.
Yep - totally agree.  Just another example of a repressed memory - thx for reminding me tongue.  In fact, I'm going to replace Slowey with Worley and I'll be happy with that lineup - was fretting over that 5th spot and forgot all about Vanimal.

Yeah, got another reminder yesterday watching Worley and the Pirated battle the D-Backs.  Again, he turned in another credible start, allowing only one run in 6 innings.

Would you believe his BAA wearing our uniform was .381 (ERA +7) and it's about .246 with the Pirates?  Wowwwwww - talk about turning things around...
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Posted: 8/3/2014 10:15 AM

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brian450 wrote:

Would you believe his BAA wearing our uniform was .381 (ERA +7) and it's about .246 with the Pirates?  Wowwwwww - talk about turning things around...
I always found it hard to believe that the night and day numbers of someone like Worley could be solely attributable to coming the the AL and that there had to be something else to this story.  We certainly found that was the case with Worley when he shed light on the coaching situation.  Liriano and Worley have both proven what a difference a good pitching coach can make.

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Posted: 8/3/2014 7:58 PM

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TwinsFaninVT wrote:

 Liriano and Worley have both proven what a difference a good pitching coach can make.
Sadly, I think you've 'hit the nail on the head' and underscores why Gardy and his regime, while highly respected in baseball circles, are HUGELY over-rated. 

The cases of Liriano, Worley, Ortiz, Hardy, Bartlett, Cuddy, Neshek, Go-Go, et al suggests a pattern that not only a change of scenery helps, but a difference in coaching methods and philosophy, can make a HUGE difference in player performance.  Glad for these guys mentioned, but not for our organization.
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Posted: 8/3/2014 8:12 PM

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slydel9 wrote:

9.)  2nd Base - Nick Punto (A's) -  (Orioles) - .215 BA - yeah, batting 9th for a reason and my weakest spot, but is always good with the glove. I'm beginning to wonder if you're not Gardy, there brian... with your soft spot for Punto. Personally I think that Knocblach (sp) could still play, he can clearly still hit... (TOO SOON???)
LOL - No, I don't have a 'soft spot' for Nick Punto.  If I ever did, it was completely eradicated after his baserunning gaffe versus the Yankees during our last postseason appearance.  Obviously, this is the weakest part of my lineup...

If I thought about it more, perhaps I'd put a versatile Michael Cuddyer here and put Garrett Jones on my bench (and yeah, cut lil Nicky Punto).

Haha - and yes, too soon with the reference to what's his name ;-).
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Posted: 8/4/2014 8:42 PM

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Watching Washington tonight, Denard is up to .296, as is Wilson Ramos, who incidentally jacked one out of the park...

To think I can't find a tremendous player like Denard Span a space to crack the starting lineup on my team!?

Over on the other side (Baltimore), Delmon Young pinch-hit and promptly delivered a run-scoring single to put his team ahead.  The announcers called him an "unstoppable, hit machine" and he's over .500 now in pinch-hitting duties and .316 overall. 

JJ Hardy has collected 4 hits (so far) and his average is up to .279 this year.

Talk about making an impact: 

That is 9 hits (so far) in this game from 4 ex-Twins... 
  • 9/12 (.750),
  • 1 HR,
  • 2 doubles,
  • 4 RBI's and
  • 4 runs scored. 

Last edited 8/4/2014 9:01 PM by brian450

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Posted: 8/4/2014 9:47 PM

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Many O's fans (me included) can't figure out why Delmon is not in there regularly...at least as DH. Nelson Cruz has completely shut down and is contributing nothing. Honestly think that in his case, maybe he really did need the 'juice'. After that huge start, he can barely get the ball out of the infield. Sitting Delmon over Cruz is stupid. Chris Davis has crashed and burned this year as well. We all knew there would be a falloff from last year...but he has been terrible since May.

Meanwhile Revere and Span are pushing .300 as their teams' leadoff hitters.
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Posted: 8/5/2014 10:09 PM

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Revere is over .300, Span at .297 and Gomez is at .293.  All lead off and each represent (on each of their respective teams), one of their more valuable players. 

And yeah, Delmon continues to "rake".
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Posted: 8/5/2014 10:20 PM

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brian450 wrote:

1. Patrick Neshek, (Cardinals) - All Star this year and has a microscopic ERA of 0.79 after yet another scoreless inning tonight. 

Neshek has been promoted as the primary set-up guy and 8th inning specialist.  Just saw him strike out the side in top of the 8th, putting him in line for the WIN, baby!  biggrin

Meanwhile, you can't tell me AJ isn't loving leading that Cardinal offense against his former "team" eek.
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Posted: 8/6/2014 11:30 PM

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brian450 wrote: Just look at all the talented outfielders at the top of my lineup.  I wonder if the Twins could use any of these guys!  Also, amazing how I can't find a place for either Denard Span and Delmon Young!, Denard is  simply igniting the Nationals, hitting .290  with a OBP of .350, stolen 22/24 bases and has scored 66 runs!  Delmon, well, the guy can hit...  head-case, yeah, but he's hitting .333 for the Orioles in limited play (133 at-bats) but has provided some offense for them. 

Here's my official starting lineup, comprised of all former Twins.  I've also put compiled my 25 man roster.  

1.)  LF - Ben Revere (Phillies) - .309 - 31 Stolen Bases (out of 35 attempts) - 52 runs - NOTE:  The guy has yet another 4 hits tonight - he can flat out hit AND he's got a great glove.  Earlier this year, Ryno kept yo-yoing him around - but all he had to do is plug him in and let him go!  Revere is one of this team's bright spots...
2.)  RF - Torii Hunter (Tigers) - .281, 15 BOMBS, 61 RBI's - Torii continues to shine in the twilight of his career.
3.)  CF  - Carlos Gomez (Brewers) - .294, 15 BOMBS, 53 RBI's, OBP of .355 - 20/24 Stolen Bases - the guy has ALL the TOOLS!  
4.)  1B - Justin Morneau - .313, 13 BOMBS and 63 RBI's
Note:  Congrats to Morneau - great to see the guy comeback all the way. 
5.)  DH - David Ortiz - .250, 25 BOMBS and 77 RBI's - Eh, still hurts me to think of what could have been... shame on TR and Gardy.
6.)  SS - JJ Hardy (Orioles) - .280 -
Note:  Though a bit of a power outage, has been nothing short of SOLID and super dependable for the Baltimore Orioles. 
7.)  Catcher - Wilson Ramos - .291 (Nationals) - Remember this guy?  And remember what we got for him?
8.)  3rd Base - Danny Valencia (Blue Jays) - .282 - Now starting for the Blue Jays, the guy can hit.  Undervalued by us because he and Gardy didn't see eye to eye. 
9.)  2nd Base - Nick Punto (A's) -  (Orioles) - .215 BA - yeah, batting 9th for a reason and my weakest spot, but is always good with the glove.

BENCH: 
1. Denard Span (Nationals (.290, .350 OBP) (SOLID) 
2. Delmon Young (Orioles) - .333 - Dude can hit.
3. AJ Pierzinski -(Cardinals) .310 with the Cards - nice pickup for them.
4. Michael Cuddyer (Rockies) - Batting Champ - coming off injury;
On the outside looking in:  Garrett Jones, Miami
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Pitching:
1.  Matt Garza (Brewers) - 7-7, 3.58 ERA - Got the no-decision today -6 IP, 1 hit, 0 runs vs. Cards!
2.  Frankie Liriano (Pirates) - 3-7, 3.97 ERA - The guy's record is deceptive, but of late, he's mowing people down and absolutely DOMINATING!
3.  Kyle Loshe (Brewers) 11-5, 3.07 - Guy has been sensational;
4.  R.A Dickey (Blue Jays) 9 Wins - ERA 3.91  -
Note:  The guy has been pretty solid and even better lately
5.  Vance Worley (Pirates) 4-1, 2.50 ERA (Thx for reminding me, TF!)
__________________________________________
DFA'd:  Kevin Slowey (Marlins) 1-1, 5.30 ERA 
Note:  Had to find a place for an emerging Vance Worley. 

Bullpen: 
1. Patrick Neshek, (Cardinals) - All Star this year and has a microscopic ERA of 0.79 after yet another scoreless inning tonight. 
2. Grant Balfour - Has struggled a bit with the Rays, but his ERA is deceptive - folks are hitting a measly .210 against him and he is improving as the season progresses. 
3. LaTroy Hawkins (Rockies) 2.92 ERA and 17/18 Saves converted.  Guy has been solid for Rockies;
4. Matt Guerrier (Out of baseball - THANKS TR) Sub 4.00 ERA - As always, pretty dependable;
5. Craig Breslow (Red Sox) - 2-2, 4.74 ERA - ok, not great;
6. JOE NATHAN (Tigers) - Eh, I'll take him - ERA in mid 5's - 4-3 and converted 22/27 save opportunities, he's 39 and clearly not at his best, but has room for him on my Ex-Twin team;
7. Jesse Crain - Ok, so he hasn't played in 2014, but I'll give him a spot based on his 2013 season.
Was thinking, I could insert Yangervis Solarte as my second baseman.  While he never played for us in the bigs, he certainly was in our organization and we let him walk.

Played well for the Yankees and is hitting around .300 for his new team, the SD Padres.
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Posted: 8/9/2014 12:19 AM

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brian450 wrote: Just look at all the talented outfielders at the top of my lineup.  I wonder if the Twins could use any of these guys!  Also, amazing how I can't find a place for either Denard Span and Delmon Young!, Denard is  simply igniting the Nationals, hitting .290  with a OBP of .350, stolen 22/24 bases and has scored 66 runs!  Delmon, well, the guy can hit...  head-case, yeah, but he's hitting .333 for the Orioles in limited play (133 at-bats) but has provided some offense for them. 

Here's my official starting lineup, comprised of all former Twins.  I've also put compiled my 25 man roster.  

1.)  LF - Ben Revere (Phillies) - .313 - 31 Stolen Bases (out of 35 attempts) - 52 runs - NOTE:  The guy has yet another 4 hits tonight - he can flat out hit AND he's got a great glove.  Earlier this year, Ryno kept yo-yoing him around - but all he had to do is plug him in and let him go!  Revere is one of this team's bright spots...
2.)  RF - Torii Hunter (Tigers) - .281, 15 BOMBS, 61 RBI's - Torii continues to shine in the twilight of his career.
3.)  CF  - Carlos Gomez (Brewers) - .294, 15 BOMBS, 53 RBI's, OBP of .355 - 20/24 Stolen Bases - the guy has ALL the TOOLS!  
4.)  1B - Justin Morneau - .313, 13 BOMBS and 63 RBI's
Note:  Congrats to Morneau - great to see the guy comeback all the way. 
5.)  DH - David Ortiz - .250, 25 BOMBS and 77 RBI's - Eh, still hurts me to think of what could have been... shame on TR and Gardy.
6.)  SS - JJ Hardy (Orioles) - .280 -
Note:  Though a bit of a power outage, has been nothing short of SOLID and super dependable for the Baltimore Orioles. 
7.)  Catcher - Wilson Ramos - .291 (Nationals) - Remember this guy?  And remember what we got for him?
8.)  3rd Base - Danny Valencia (Blue Jays) - .282 - Now starting for the Blue Jays, the guy can hit.  Undervalued by us because he and Gardy didn't see eye to eye. 
9.)  2nd Base - Nick Punto (A's) -  (Orioles) - .215 BA - yeah, batting 9th for a reason and my weakest spot, but is always good with the glove.

BENCH: 
1. Denard Span (Nationals (.304, .350 OBP) (MORE THAN "SOLID" - this guy has been spectacular since June 30th) 
2. Delmon Young (Orioles) - .333 - Dude can hit.
3. AJ Pierzinski -(Cardinals) .310 with the Cards - nice pickup for them.
4. Michael Cuddyer (Rockies) - Batting Champ - coming off injury;
On the outside looking in:  Garrett Jones, Miami
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Pitching:
1.  Matt Garza (Brewers) - 7-7, 3.58 ERA - Got the no-decision today -6 IP, 1 hit, 0 runs vs. Cards!
2.  Frankie Liriano (Pirates) - 3-7, 3.97 ERA - The guy's record is deceptive, but of late, he's mowing people down and absolutely DOMINATING!
3.  Kyle Loshe (Brewers) 11-5, 3.07 - Guy has been sensational;
4.  R.A Dickey (Blue Jays) 9 Wins - ERA 3.91  -
Note:  The guy has been pretty solid and even better lately
5.  Vance Worley (Pirates) 5-1, 2.30 ERA (Another nice win for "Vanimal" last night - limiting the Padres to one run in 7 innings)
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DFA'd:  Kevin Slowey (Marlins) 1-1, 5.30 ERA 
Note:  Had to find a place for an emerging Vance Worley. 

Bullpen: 
1. Patrick Neshek, (Cardinals) - All Star this year and has a microscopic ERA of 0.79 after yet another scoreless inning tonight. 
2. Grant Balfour - Has struggled a bit with the Rays, but his ERA is deceptive - folks are hitting a measly .210 against him and he is improving as the season progresses. 
3. LaTroy Hawkins (Rockies) 2.92 ERA and 17/18 Saves converted.  Guy has been solid for Rockies;
4. Matt Guerrier (Out of baseball - THANKS TR) Sub 4.00 ERA - As always, pretty dependable;
5. Craig Breslow (Red Sox) - 2-2, 4.74 ERA - ok, not great;
6. JOE NATHAN (Tigers) - Eh, I'll take him - ERA in mid 5's - 4-3 and converted 22/27 save opportunities, he's 39 and clearly not at his best, but has room for him on my Ex-Twin team;
7. Jesse Crain - Ok, so he hasn't played in 2014, but I'll give him a spot based on his 2013 season.

Last edited 8/9/2014 12:21 AM by brian450

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Posted: 8/10/2014 8:34 AM

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Worst in my opinion at the time.

1)  Trading way J.J. Hardy for zilch because they signed Nishioka as their starting shortstop.  Really!???

2)  Trading Garza, Bartlett and Morlan for Delmon and Harris and Pridie.  YOu don't trade away aces.

3)  Releasing Ortiz.  How much money did we really save.

4)  Trading away Wilson Ramos for Matt Capps.  Ramos was clearly a great defensive and excellent hitting catcher.  So what if we had Mauer.  He was cheap and was going to be cheap for several years.  If anything, he would have increased his value even more.  He was certainly more valuable than a "closer" who really wasn't and ok he was an All-star on a team without stars.  Remember - every major league team needs to be represented in the all-star game.  

5)  Letting Cuddyer leave via free agency when he was wiling to stay for the home town discount.

6)  Letting Torii leave who was also willing to give the hometown discount.

7)  Letting Johan Santana go when an extension the season before would have allowed us to keep him for a significant hometown discount.

8)  There are more, like releasing Balfour because we didn't want to protect him on the 40 man roster when he came off the DL list.

I think management  B.T.F.  (before target field) had an excuse as a "small market team".  But Cuddyer shouldn't have been let go.  I think we should have signed Morneau for a reasonable one year deal because it would have been "cheap" after his unimpressive years leading up to his free agency.  

I wish you didn't put Punto's or Valencia's name on that list.  It really diminishes your point.  Those guys had virtually no value at the time and I still wouldn't want them on my team now.  Valencia's streaky-ness may look like he's raking but in now time he'll be back to the .250 range with lots of strike outs and he will continue to rack up the errors at the hot corner.  I think Plouffe is a better option than Valencia.  And Punto?  Really?  Anyway, good list.  Larry Hisle, Rod Carew, Harmon Killebrew, Bert Blyleven, Jim Kaat, Lyman Bostock.  I'm sure I missed a few from the Griffith era.
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Posted: 8/10/2014 7:05 PM

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ETCDelawareTwinsFan wrote: Worst in my opinion at the time.

I wish you didn't put Punto's or Valencia's name on that list.  It really diminishes your point.  Those guys had virtually no value at the time and I still wouldn't want them on my team now.  Valencia's streaky-ness may look like he's raking but in now time he'll be back to the .250 range with lots of strike outs and he will continue to rack up the errors at the hot corner.  I think Plouffe is a better option than Valencia.  And Punto?  Really?  Anyway, good list.  Larry Hisle, Rod Carew, Harmon Killebrew, Bert Blyleven, Jim Kaat, Lyman Bostock.  I'm sure I missed a few from the Griffith era.
Here's the thing:  At that stage of my lineup, it's slim pickins, brotha.  Not a lot to choose from and I was scratching my head trying to figure out what ex-Twin (that is currently active playing for someone else AND doing well) I could insert in those areas. 

Btw, Valencia, while I wouldn't call him a gold glover, he was adequate.  His glove was not the problem, rather a perceived attitude and streakiness at the plate, as you've mentioned.

Like I said earlier (page up), I could insert Yangervis Solarte as my second baseman and yes, he'd definitely be better offensively than Nick Punto.  While he never played for us in the bigs, he certainly was in our organization and we let him walk.
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Posted: 8/10/2014 8:25 PM

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Looking at your list of atrocious "maneuvers", I completely agree... but there is more to this story.

Because there are a number of guys that have perceived 'attitude problems' because they didn't always see eye to eye with Gardy, that we simply discarded or got far less than we should have.  There are some talented individuals here that Gardy, because of his shortcomings or insecurities as a person, he did not want to feel threatened or challenged by these guys: 

  • Kyle Lohse;
  • Pat Neshek - take a look at what he did tonight and look at his season totals.  Nothing short of BRILLIANT:
  • Scott Baker;
  • Yes, David Ortiz;
  • Matt Garza;
  • Grant Balfour - yes, a tad too 'tightly wound' for Gardy's liking';
  • Jason Bartlett - yes, Jason Bartlett;
  • Augie Ojeda - guy did no wrong for us;
  • Danny Valencia (as we mentioned);
  • Delmon Young (I understand this one and give Gardy a bit of a pass on it, though I was notably pissed off at the time when we GAVE HIM away to a divisional rival for next to natha.  The guy could hit, no denying it and we sold low);
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Posted: 8/10/2014 8:43 PM

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ETCDelawareTwinsFan wrote: Larry Hisle, Rod Carew, Harmon Killebrew, Bert Blyleven, Jim Kaat, Lyman Bostock.  I'm sure I missed a few from the Griffith era.
Yeah - don't forget Butch 'Love that Kid' Wynegar.  Another guy I liked for us was Doug Corbett and how good he was for us (and yeah, he represented us in an All-Star game in the early 80's). 

Of course, loved watching all these guys and was sad to see them all go.  Particularly, I felt Lyman Bostok was sadly and grossly undervalued by this organization.  The guy was on the cusp of greatness both with the bat and in the field (as I've said with Ben Revere) and from what I heard at the time, ol' Cal didn't offer him a thing other than to renew his contract (which at that time with the advent of free agency, was a ridiculous offer) - we simply just didn't express any interest in retaining his services.
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Posted: 8/10/2014 10:26 PM

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ETCDelawareTwinsFan wrote:   Valencia's streaky-ness may look like he's raking but in now time he'll be back to the .250 range with lots of strike outs and he will continue to rack up the errors at the hot corner.  I think Plouffe is a better option than Valencia. 
Look, I'd probably agree that Plouffe and Valencia roughly equal the same player.  You've mentioned strikeouts and 'racking up errors' at third and I'm going to quietly whisper in your ear that Plouffe strikes out at a higher rate (23% to 19%) and has a lower fielding percentage in his career to Valencia's (.954 to Valencia's .962). 

Valencia will be a better hitter for average, while these two both have similar slugging percentage, OPS and OBP. 

I think this underscores the fact that while both are starters for us, they're bench players for someone else.  Which means, our talent at third base isn't as good as most teams... hopefully Sano's arrival changes that.
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