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Twins Do Virtually Nothing at Deadline

Posted: 7/31/2014 6:38 PM

Twins Do Virtually Nothing at Deadline 


anyone else surprised that the Twins pretty much stood pat? they dumped a CFer which clears the way for Santana to become the regular out there. they got a pitcher.

Thats it. I am VERY surprised. Guess nobody was willing to offer anything of value. If thats the case, then props to Ryan for not just giving talent away.

But I am very surprised.
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Posted: 7/31/2014 7:59 PM

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insagt1 wrote: anyone else surprised that the Twins pretty much stood pat? they dumped a CFer which clears the way for Santana to become the regular out there. they got a pitcher.

Thats it. I am VERY surprised. Guess nobody was willing to offer anything of value. If thats the case, then props to Ryan for not just giving talent away.

But I am very surprised.
Not at all and I said so. 

The things I'm surprised about is our inking Suzuki and that we got Oakland to take Sam Fuld back biggrin (and got something for him!).  I thought we probably could have squeezed a bit more out of Seattle for Morales, but quietly happy in that move, as well.

Eh, I've been openly critical of some of TR's moves, but I can't fault any of these moves / non-moves.
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Posted: 8/1/2014 5:53 AM

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brian450 wrote:


Eh, I've been openly critical of some of TR's moves, but I can't fault any of these moves / non-moves.
Ditto.  As much as I think a regime change is still in order,  I'm not displeased with how Ryan handled this trade deadline.  I think the returns on Morales and Fuld were decent (and in Fuld's case, much better than expected).  I'm still guessing that Willingham will be sent away for a PTBNL in August, but if he isn't,  I don't think keeping him until the end of the season is going to the worst thing in the world.  I am a bit skeptical about the Suzuki extension as I am envisioning Willingham all over again (great first year, followed by two lousy ones).  Only time will tell whether that ended up being a good signing or a bad signing.

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Posted: 8/1/2014 6:49 AM

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The lineup the Twins trotted out yesterday represents who the team is now...going forward. They will live and die with the likes of Parmelee,Colabello, Arcia and the rest of the guys that have pretty much played regularly all season. This will give them a chance to evaluate whether any of them are worthly of being full time major leaguers. Once again this year, wins and losses will be meaningless. Twins are a last place team. Maybe not as putrid as the last 3 seasons, but still worse than any of the other teams in the weak AL Central.

I'm glad they didn't just give players away. They didn't destroy the farm. Santana appears to be their new fulltime center fielder. He could be capable as he learns the position. Signing Suzuki sends the clear message that Pinto is not going to be their future catcher for awhile, if ever. They probably need to find another spot for him. The guy can hit, but catching is not his 'bag'.

Forgotten man Joe Mauer, I hear is supposed to start a AAA rehab 'soon'. I'll believe it when I see it. I don't know what they will do with the now oft injured and fragile ex-superstar. They have lied about his past injuries so many times that even the biggest optimist would be leary of him even playing again for the Twins this year. And even if he does, this shapes up to be his worst year ever as a Twin.

Two more months. And one more month for the Red Wings. The season is fast slipping away.
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Posted: 8/1/2014 11:57 AM

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I'm actually glad they signed Suzuki.  I'm pretty sure no one expected much offensive production from Suzuki so the fact that he is hitting over .300 is all icing on the cake.  He handles pitchers well.  Defense is decent.  Best part of his game is his clutch hitting (if there really is such a thing).  The farm doesn't have any immediate options so a two year extension with a option is great.

I thought they should have moved Willingham and Correia but I suppose they still can be moved since they both will likely pass through waivers without much difficulty.  A name that I didn't hear bantered about was Dozier.  I would have thought he could have brought us some talent.  The longer he shows an inability to hit for average, the more I wish he gets traded.  Santana and Polanco are probably our middle infielders of the future with Rosario in the mix as well.  Escobar fills in or starts at either of those positions too so Dozier could be expendable and conceivably at his high water mark.  He probably looks like a slick fielding Dan Uggla from outside the organization.  I like his hustle but for a middle infielder, he strikes out way too much.

Fuld and Morales trades were simply genius.  If you think about it, they both got traded back to their original teams.  Fuld was picked up on the waiver wire and got flipped for a starting left handed starter who was 6-3 with an ERA of 3.55 who got sent down when the A's got Samardzja.  Simply a numbers issue.  So I'd have to call that the A's giving us a Left handed major league starting pitcher from one of the strongest rotations in the league for pretty much nothing.

Morales is similar, we sign him after a deadline so we don't need to give any draft picks, then we trade him for a AAA reliever with some major league experience.  Cost us his salary for a few months.

The rest of the year, we need to let Parmalee, Arcia, Colabello and Vargas learn to hit major league pitching.  Calling up Vargas only makes sense if they plan on trading Willingham.  These 4 players need to rotate through DH, LF, RF and 1B.  (Arcia obviously stays in the outfield).  Add Mauer to that mix and you wonder why they would call up Vargas unless Willingham is as good as gone.
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Posted: 8/1/2014 2:14 PM

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Phillies and White Sox did less and they had much more expensive guys to get rid of if they could...
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Posted: 8/1/2014 3:43 PM

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Perhaps Vargas gets the call because they don't expect Mauer back. they never tell the truth about his 'issues'. Like I said, I'll believe he can play when I see him in a Red Wings uni. till then, its all empty speech. Willingham will probably pass thru waivers and that will be that.

As for Dozier, IMO we have to look past the batting average. He has remarkable power; he has a very good OBP; he can hit the gaps; and he is in the top 3 in runs scored in the AL (have to be on base to do that!) I can live with the low BA as long as he continues to contribute. I'm not ready to give up on him. Actually I'd be willing to move Plouffe before Dozier.
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Posted: 8/6/2014 10:04 AM

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ETCDelawareTwinsFan wrote: I'm actually glad they signed Suzuki.  I'm pretty sure no one expected much offensive production from Suzuki so the fact that he is hitting over .300 is all icing on the cake.  He handles pitchers well.  Defense is decent.  Best part of his game is his clutch hitting (if there really is such a thing).  The farm doesn't have any immediate options so a two year extension with a option is great.

I thought they should have moved Willingham and Correia but I suppose they still can be moved since they both will likely pass through waivers without much difficulty.  A name that I didn't hear bantered about was Dozier.  I would have thought he could have brought us some talent.  The longer he shows an inability to hit for average, the more I wish he gets traded.  Santana and Polanco are probably our middle infielders of the future with Rosario in the mix as well.  Escobar fills in or starts at either of those positions too so Dozier could be expendable and conceivably at his high water mark.  He probably looks like a slick fielding Dan Uggla from outside the organization.  I like his hustle but for a middle infielder, he strikes out way too much.

Fuld and Morales trades were simply genius.  If you think about it, they both got traded back to their original teams.  Fuld was picked up on the waiver wire and got flipped for a starting left handed starter who was 6-3 with an ERA of 3.55 who got sent down when the A's got Samardzja.  Simply a numbers issue.  So I'd have to call that the A's giving us a Left handed major league starting pitcher from one of the strongest rotations in the league for pretty much nothing.

Morales is similar, we sign him after a deadline so we don't need to give any draft picks, then we trade him for a AAA reliever with some major league experience.  Cost us his salary for a few months.

The rest of the year, we need to let Parmalee, Arcia, Colabello and Vargas learn to hit major league pitching.  Calling up Vargas only makes sense if they plan on trading Willingham.  These 4 players need to rotate through DH, LF, RF and 1B.  (Arcia obviously stays in the outfield).  Add Mauer to that mix and you wonder why they would call up Vargas unless Willingham is as good as gone.
Colabello will be 31 this October.  I think he is what he is.




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Posted: 8/6/2014 12:04 PM

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Since he isn't playing much, I'm hoping they send him back to Rochester for the final push. They can recall him in September...but once Mauer is back, he will be much more useful playing everyday and trying to make at least one team in the organization a winner. I want that to happen. He is the logical one.
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Posted: 8/6/2014 8:18 PM

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JMUplayermike wrote: Phillies and White Sox did less and they had much more expensive guys to get rid of if they could...
"if they could" is the key part of this phrase. 

I'm watching the Houston / Phillies game, noting Revere still continuing his hitting (another 3 hits tonight), but outside of him and Utley (and maybe Marlon Byrd) that lineup is overpriced, stale group.

In other words, who would want to take on a washed-up Ryan Howard and that fat contract?  Even Rollins would have been a difficult sell...  and to a lesser extent, it's the same reason we could find zero takers for Josh Willingham   AND all I've heard is that they asked the world in return for Hamels and Burnett...
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Posted: 8/6/2014 8:57 PM

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when you ask too much in return, you're saying you really don't want to trade. don't quite know what to make of that organization.
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Posted: 8/6/2014 11:16 PM

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insagt1 wrote: when you ask too much in return, you're saying you really don't want to trade. don't quite know what to make of that organization.
I agree.  And yeah, Philly's organization is one of the few out there that rival ours with regards to goofy decisions. 

Speaking of goofy decisions, perhaps Sandberg finally realizes he doesn't have to think too much with regards to penciling in Revere every night.  Another 4 hits tonight, driving him up to .309, the last one being a triple against a 97 mph fastball.
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Posted: 8/7/2014 11:05 AM

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at the risk of annoying everyone else....I sure wish we still had this guy with the weak arm....
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Posted: 8/7/2014 9:10 PM

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insagt1 wrote: at the risk of annoying everyone else....I sure wish we still had this guy with the weak arm....
Revere:  Now at .311 and hitting .355 since June 30th.

Span:  Now at .300 and hitting roughly .375 since June 30th.
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Posted: 8/7/2014 9:19 PM

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torture
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Posted: 8/7/2014 11:02 PM

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insagt1 wrote: torture
This is only tempered or offset a bit by the revelation that has been Danny Santana, who is also hitting .311 for us and been decent in the outfield.

However, he's only been plugged in out there by the glaring deficit created by the "genius" of Terry Ryan.
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Posted: 8/9/2014 12:10 AM

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brian450 wrote:

Revere:  Now at .313 and hitting .355 since June 30th.

Span:  Now at .304 and hitting roughly .375 since June 30th.
These guys remain hot and each getting another multi-hit game last night.
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Posted: 8/12/2014 2:19 PM

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Were lucky Santana has played so well.  Better lucky than good sometimes.  Santana is an amazing gamer.  He looks a lot like Rod Carew the way he hits and runs.  Anyone else see the resemblance?  He's got some very quick and strong wrists and he glides around the basepaths as if he's floating on air.  Finding a centerfielder of the future isn't necessary since we have Buxton in AA.  I expect Buxton to be ready either middle 2015 or beginning 2016.

Rosario was an outfielder before being converted to second base.  I'm guessing his arm is weak but I would think he'd be another potential centerfielder.  Nate Robertson is still in the organization too.
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Posted: 8/12/2014 5:19 PM

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I see Rosario as possibly a utility player, or trade bait. Don't need a 2nd basemen as long as Dozier is around (unless something happens to him, God forbid). Don't need him to convert to 1st since we have Mauer, Collabello, Parmalee and Vargas.
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Posted: 8/12/2014 6:45 PM

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ETCDelawareTwinsFan wrote: He looks a lot like Rod Carew the way he hits and runs.  Anyone else see the resemblance?  He's got some very quick and strong wrists and he glides around the basepaths as if he's floating on air.  
Yeah, not at all with regards to hitting (Sir Rod had that shortened swing with the wide-open stance - nothing like Danny Santana).  But yes, he does kind of run the basepaths a bit like Rod Carew - kind of gliding effortlessly around the paths.

I think you're right - we're pretty lucky to have him and to see him produce beyond expectations, well, he's certainly been a bright spot in 2014.
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