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Twins v Royals - July 2- The Return of Colabello Game Thread!

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Posted: 7/2/2014 12:06 PM

Twins v Royals - July 2- The Return of Colabello Game Thread! 



1. Alcides Escobar (R) SS
2. Eric Hosmer (L) 1B
3. Billy Butler (R) DH
4. Alex Gordon (L) LF
5. Salvador Perez (R) C
6. Raul Ibanez (L) RF
7. Omar Infante (R) 2B
8. Mike Moustakas (L) 3B
9. Jarrod Dyson (L) CF

1. Eduardo Nunez (R) SS
2. Brian Dozier (R) 2B
3. Chris Parmelee (L) 1B
4. Kendrys Morales (S) DH
5. Josh Willingham (R) LF
6. Oswaldo Arcia (L) RF
7. Trevor Plouffe (R) 3B
8. Eric Fryer (R) C
9. Sam Fuld (L) CF
Gametime Forecast: 66°F • Partly Cloudy • 0% PoP
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Posted: 7/2/2014 12:51 PM

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Corriea at 54 pitches through two. Fortunate to only be down two.
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Posted: 7/2/2014 2:01 PM

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LNP> Sam Fuld.
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Posted: 7/2/2014 2:11 PM

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Correa finishes strong despite twin fan apathy
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Posted: 7/2/2014 2:18 PM

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So far the bright side is that a.)  the Twins are still within striking distance in this game and, b.) Correia now joins Gibson and Hughes as starters with ERAs under 5.00.  As I said the other day,  the Twins really need to win this series and the next one against the Yankees in order to keep pace.

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Posted: 7/2/2014 2:36 PM

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Vargas has a 1.52 road ERA and brutal against the twins.
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Posted: 7/2/2014 4:08 PM

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Well I did call it once I heard Mauer was hurt. Colabello was the only logical choice to go up. Figures, he was just starting to hit like last year. I dislike Joe M!
Acutally, in reading many comments floating around lately, the love affair with Joe M is long gone. I don't think anyone would mind trading him now...except his contract is so outrageous. Still, Twins owner has tons of cash and could eat some of the contract to move him out...but I would want more than prospects. I want an everyday major league ready player NOW. Someone suggested Mauer for Price....I'd do that trade. Joe can no longer make this mediocre to fair team better. Its time.

Another lousy offensive effort today. Looks like Parmelee has found his bat again. I hope Colabello hits when he arrives. I suspect he'll go back down when Joe comes off the DL, if he isn't hitting.

This blows a major hole in the Red Wings lineup...and I hope the Twins find a replacement. No, Pedro Florimon is NOT the replacement. Probably many pitchers can hit better than him. His BA with Rochester was in the low .200's. Not impressed.
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Posted: 7/2/2014 4:09 PM

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Another series loss for the Twins.   Now 7 games under .500 and falling further behind in the postseason race, I think it is safe to say they are going to be sellers between now and July 31st.

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Posted: 7/2/2014 4:10 PM

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As an afterthought---remember when the Yankees coveted Mauer and we were deathly afraid he would end up in NY? Yanks are not real happy with what they are getting from McCann....except now Mauer isn't catching anymore. I still wonder if they would want Joe for 1B--seeing as Texiera is also injury prone and not having a stellar season? Not that I would want Joe to end up a Yankee....but its an intriguing thought.
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Posted: 7/2/2014 4:13 PM

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TwinsFaninVT wrote: Another series loss for the Twins.   Now 7 games under .500 and falling further behind in the postseason race, I think it is safe to say they are going to be sellers between now and July 31st.
Absolutely...I see Willingham and Morales as likely to pack bags. And for the right deal, I could see Mauer going too, except that he can't stay healthy anymore.
I actually miss Morneau now.  But Coors field has breathed new life into his career...still a contender may inquire about him.
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Posted: 7/2/2014 5:37 PM

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Mauer has a no-trade clause in his contract.  We could dream about it, but it's not realistic.  He grew up here.  His home is here.  His family is here.  His high school sweetheart and her family are here.  He signed a long-term contract here (and yeah, smart enough to control his destiny with that no-trade), ensuring his security and stability for himself and his family. 

Joe Mauer will retire a Twin.  And he's probably a good bet to go into the Hall of Fame. 

That said, (and this is probably equally far-fetched) it'd be awesome for him to put his hand up and renegotiate that contract the other way, knowing deep down he's well and truly not deserving up 23 mil a year.  But how good would that be?
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Posted: 7/2/2014 5:44 PM

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TwinsFaninVT wrote: Another series loss for the Twins.   Now 7 games under .500 and falling further behind in the postseason race, I think it is safe to say they are going to be sellers between now and July 31st.
Honestly, I think outside of moving Willingham and possibly Correia (and entertain offers for Morales), we pretty much stand pat.  In other words, I don't believe we traditionally  "clean house" like say Philadelphia is going to do.

Speaking of Philadelphia, I saw they picked up Grady Sizemore.  Too bad, as we could have done the same thing and sent  Sam Fuld packing.
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Posted: 7/2/2014 6:46 PM

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brian450 wrote:
TwinsFaninVT wrote: Another series loss for the Twins.   Now 7 games under .500 and falling further behind in the postseason race, I think it is safe to say they are going to be sellers between now and July 31st.
Honestly, I think outside of moving Willingham and possibly Correia (and entertain offers for Morales), we pretty much stand pat.  In other words, I don't believe we traditionally  "clean house" like say Philadelphia is going to do.

Speaking of Philadelphia, I saw they picked up Grady Sizemore.  Too bad, as we could have done the same thing and sent  Sam Fuld packing.
My guess is that Willingham, Morales and Correia will all be gone.  Otherwise, I don't see them making any deals.

As for Sizemore, I've seen him play in a number of games for the Red Sox this year and he has been awful.  I think his better days are behind him and that he honestly would not have done much to improve the Twins' outfield (and considering how bad their current options are, that is saying a lot).

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Posted: 7/2/2014 10:14 PM

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I agree that trading Mauer would be like trying to move a mountain...but everyone has his price. You never know. Saw Sizemore play with the Iron Pigs...he has a long ways to go.
Mauer has to be the most enigmatic Twin to come along in decades. Can't figure the dude out.
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Posted: 7/3/2014 4:50 AM

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TwinsFaninVT wrote:

As for Sizemore, I've seen him play in a number of games for the Red Sox this year and he has been awful.  I think his better days are behind him and that he honestly would not have done much to improve the Twins' outfield (and considering how bad their current options are, that is saying a lot).
Only reason I suggested it is because a).  IMO, Grady Sizemore > Sam Fuld and b).  Grady Sizemore's ceiling is MUCH higher than Sam Fuld's. 

I must have seen the games that he looked ok and you must have seen the ones that he looked awful (and I've seen the Red Sox PLENTY this year) and at no time, has Grady Sizemore looked worse than anyone we've trotted out to center field.  And yes, that's not saying a whole lot, as Sizemore certainly didn't set the world on fire.  He was credible and we all know he's been away from the game for quite some time.  Shoot, if f you've signed him, surely you'd know he'd have to be afforded some patience.

I guess the real negative thing with Sizemore is the question of durability.  He could make it 'all the way back' and play up to his potential, only to see him suffer another knee injury or related...
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Posted: 7/3/2014 6:41 AM

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brian450 wrote:
TwinsFaninVT wrote:

As for Sizemore, I've seen him play in a number of games for the Red Sox this year and he has been awful.  I think his better days are behind him and that he honestly would not have done much to improve the Twins' outfield (and considering how bad their current options are, that is saying a lot).
Only reason I suggested it is because a).  IMO, Grady Sizemore > Sam Fuld and b).  Grady Sizemore's ceiling is MUCH higher than Sam Fuld's. 

I must have seen the games that he looked ok and you must have seen the ones that he looked awful (and I've seen the Red Sox PLENTY this year) and at no time, has Grady Sizemore looked worse than anyone we've trotted out to center field.  And yes, that's not saying a whole lot, as Sizemore certainly didn't set the world on fire.  He was credible and we all know he's been away from the game for quite some time.  Shoot, if f you've signed him, surely you'd know he'd have to be afforded some patience.

I guess the real negative thing with Sizemore is the question of durability.  He could make it 'all the way back' and play up to his potential, only to see him suffer another knee injury or related...
I think this is another "let's agree to disagree instance".  I have seen nothing from Sizemore this year that would indicate he would be even remotely useful to the Twins (or any team for that matter).  Saying he was credible leads me to believe you really haven't watched him play that much this year because, IMO, he has been far from it (and I'm not the only one feels that way;  the New England media had been calling for his release since May and every Red Sox fan I know cringed every time he came to the plate or took the field). I'm not saying he would have been worse than what the Twins have trotted out, but he definitely hasn't looked better than anyone other than Hicks.  At the age of 31, I don't see a very high ceiling for him.  And, as you pointed out, durability has always been an issue for him.

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Posted: 7/3/2014 9:21 AM

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brian450 wrote:

That said, (and this is probably equally far-fetched) it'd be awesome for him to put his hand up and renegotiate that contract the other way, knowing deep down he's well and truly not deserving up 23 mil a year.  But how good would that be?
It would be good to the point of not being realistic. Plus, I seem to remember there being something in the last CBA that prohibits restructuring contracts (I'll have to look into that to be sure, though).  If it were allowed though, Mauer has to realize that his contract makes him close to untradeable at this point and that if he ever wants to play for a winner, restructuring his deal might be his best shot at that. He could conceivably restructure down to a 1-2 year deal so that he could prove himself, become a free agent again and then sign with a franchise that appears closer to winning than the Twins.

*** EDIT *** MLB contracts can be restructured under the current CBA, HOWEVER, the re-structured deals are subject to union approval and there has never been a case in which the union has approved a re-negotiated deal that results in a player giving up guaranteed money.  They have approved deferred payments of guaranteed money or re-negotiated deals that involve extensions, but never a deal that outright slashes a players guaranteed payment.  So in Mauer's case, I don't think there is a chance in hell that the MLBPA union would sign off on a restructured deal that outright cut his salary or term.

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Posted: 7/3/2014 7:11 PM

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Definitely not worth talking about... (I take it back 'far-fetched' and replace with extremely far-fetched), as the chance of Joe Mauer ever agreeing to move to another team.
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