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Give Eduardo Escobar Center Field!

Posted: 4/17/2013 3:53 AM

Give Eduardo Escobar Center Field! 


Ok, being a little controversial here, but going to throw it out there.

Here is my reasoning: 

1.  After seeing Escobar's plate approach early this season, I think we have to find at-bats for the young man.  HE IS A GAMER!

Obviously, Gardy is hellbent on keeping Dozier in the lineup to prove to himself the kid can't play.  So, where else?

2.  Escobar is pesky and may be one of our best options at the top of the lineup.  Why not throw him in at CF and bat him leadoff?  He certainly wouldn't be worse than Aaron Hicks, who is struggling mightily.  Also, with Hicks looking so not ready and our already thin outfield growing more thin with Mastroianni's injury, Ramirez's contusion and Willingham's flu, what do we have to lose in a rebuilding year?  IF we continue to trot Hicks out there, it is absolutely possible crush his psyche and kill off his professional career.

3.  Escobar's arm is great, he has cat-like reflexes, he looked good in LF yesterday, why not let him try CF in Mastroianni's absence?  He's every bit the athlete that Hicks is and it seems Eduardo is 10's the hitter that Hicks is at this point.  We've trotted out Nick Punto out there and I think Escobar may be an even better option, at least temporarily...

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Posted: 4/17/2013 9:28 AM

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brian450 wrote:

Ok, being a little controversial here, but going to throw it out there.

Here is my reasoning: 

1.  After seeing Escobar's plate approach early this season, I think we have to find at-bats for the young man.  HE IS A GAMER!

Obviously, Gardy is hellbent on keeping Dozier in the lineup to prove to himself the kid can't play.  So, where else?

2.  Escobar is pesky and may be one of our best options at the top of the lineup.  Why not throw him in at CF and bat him leadoff?  He certainly wouldn't be worse than Aaron Hicks, who is struggling mightily.  Also, with Hicks looking so not ready and our already thin outfield growing more thin with Mastroianni's injury, Ramirez's contusion and Willingham's flu, what do we have to lose in a rebuilding year?  IF we continue to trot Hicks out there, it is absolutely possible crush his psyche and kill off his professional career.

3.  Escobar's arm is great, he has cat-like reflexes, he looked good in LF yesterday, why not let him try CF in Mastroianni's absence?  He's every bit the athlete that Hicks is and it seems Eduardo is 10's the hitter that Hicks is at this point.  We've trotted out Nick Punto out there and I think Escobar may be an even better option, at least temporarily...


How about Gardy realizes Dozier is not that good, in the field or at the plate, and puts Escobar at second base where he belongs.  That would be better yet IMO.




Alls I want for Christmas is Gardy gone!!!!

Last edited 4/17/2013 9:29 AM by buckshot4227

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Posted: 4/17/2013 10:41 AM

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I think Dozier would be fine if he was coming off the bench to play once a week. As for Escobar out in Center... I'm not sure that would be where I would want him to play. Clearly he won't get much, if any, time at third as Plouffe appears to have established himself. Florimon seems to be a solid option at short, which Escobar occasionally playing there. Second base is probably his best bet but is Escobar better than Carroll for the utility role? If so, could we trade Carroll for any kind of worth?
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Posted: 4/17/2013 11:43 AM

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Escobar been on (3) teams in the past 8 months.... i'll pass on him as the savoir
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Posted: 4/17/2013 12:32 PM

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JMUplayermike wrote: Escobar been on (3) teams in the past 8 months.... i'll pass on him as the savoir

Not saying he is a savoir, but he is better than Dozier IMO.  Carrol has no trade value.  Just think about it,  the Twins probably have one of the worst middle infields in all of baseball and Carrol comes off the bench.  That should tell you his trade value.  I think he is worth more to the Twins as a mentor than any thing they could get for him.  My opinion




Alls I want for Christmas is Gardy gone!!!!

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Posted: 4/17/2013 1:23 PM

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Just because he was on 3 teams doesn't mean he sucks. Maybe he was moved because there was no position for him on his previous club, or traded (like he was in the Liriano deal). I think he'd make a great starting 2nd baseman to be honest. Dozier's been...meh.
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Posted: 4/17/2013 2:10 PM

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The Escobar option makes sense. In all sincerity, Hicks looks really bad even getting walks and O-fers.   He has no confidence, no aggression at all and looks lost out there.  The only way to fix this is to get him into more comfortable situation and for him, that would be Rochester.

Escobar is athletic, has moxy, confidence and is a baseball player doing well at this level.

Either that or go with picking up Borbon or calling up Thomas in AAA, but, for the sake of Hicks as a player with long term major upside, send him down before they ruin him.
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Posted: 4/17/2013 4:58 PM

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Hey Escobar could be a 'savior'---who knows???
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Posted: 4/17/2013 6:39 PM

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TFUSA1 wrote: The Escobar option makes sense. In all sincerity, Hicks looks really bad even getting walks and O-fers.   He has no confidence, no aggression at all and looks lost out there.  The only way to fix this is to get him into more comfortable situation and for him, that would be Rochester.

Escobar is athletic, has moxy, confidence and is a baseball player doing well at this level.

Either that or go with picking up Borbon or calling up Thomas in AAA, but, for the sake of Hicks as a player with long term major upside, send him down before they ruin him.
Yep, yep and yep - well said and WELCOME TO THE BOARD! 

It appears you actually have the privilege of watching our Twins play and notice what's going on...

Only other names I'd throw in the mix as a temporary fixes would be Scott Posednik and Grady Sizemore (subject to a rigorous medical examination) but I myself, would go with Eduardo Escobar "temporarily" and send Hicks down immediately.
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Posted: 4/17/2013 7:22 PM

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buckshot4227 wrote:
JMUplayermike wrote: Escobar been on (3) teams in the past 8 months.... i'll pass on him as the savoir

Not saying he is a savoir, but he is better than Dozier IMO.  Carrol has no trade value.  Just think about it,  the Twins probably have one of the worst middle infields in all of baseball and Carrol comes off the bench.  That should tell you his trade value.  I think he is worth more to the Twins as a mentor than any thing they could get for him.  My opinion
Wait, wait... just because Carroll and Escobar both come off the bench, doesn't mean at all that they are inferior to Dozier.... ALL IT MEANS IS THAT GARDY HAS HIS HEAD UP HIS A$$. 

With regards to "trade value", Brian Dozier has none, whatsoever, while there would be plenty of teams willing to give us something for a savvy and versatile veteran like Carroll (but doesn't mean we should pull the trigger, of course).

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Posted: 4/17/2013 8:33 PM

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buckshot4227 wrote:

How about Gardy realizes Dozier is not that good, in the field or at the plate, and puts Escobar at second base where he belongs.  That would be better yet IMO.
Off-topic and doesn't address the problem (but yeah, I agree - Dozier should be replaced by Carroll or Esobar, either would be an upgrade).

The thread centers around our the LARGEST area of weakness and that is the play of Aaron Hicks. 

You know my proposal... agree/disagree and anything you'd like to add?
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Posted: 4/18/2013 3:48 PM

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Escobar is like LNP on steroids.  I agree the guy needs to play somewhere.  He's done everything asked of him, even tried at catcher in spring training and is now our 3rd/emergency catcher.  I also agree that he might have been a great pickup because either he just wasn't ready when on the other teams or there just wasn't room.  Looking back, I bet the White Sox might rethink their preference of Beckham over him at second.  I'm still not sold on sending Hicks down just yet but as far as I'm concerned you might as well buy him the bus ticket it's virtually inevitable.  His AB's have been improved, he's showing signs of improved pitch recognition and has picked up a couple nice walks.  Defensively, Hicks is an asset in centerfield.

IMHO Escobar should have been starting at second base from day one out of spring training.  He had a sick spring and carried his hitting through to the season even when his opportunities came as pinch hitting appearances.  That's not easy to do and he continues to do whatever we ask.  All world attitude, you've got to reward him for that.  Dozier is looking like a utility guy because hit bat simply isn't good enough to play everyday and likely will never reach that level and his defense is basically average.

I've got to give Brunansky some credit as it seems he's got Florimon and Escobar hitting like major leaguers.  They should be our middle infield right now.  Escobar should be our lead off hitter too.  Best offensive lineup right now,

1) Escobar 2B
2) Mauer C
3) Morneau 1B
4) Willingham DH
5) Parmalee RF
6) Plouffe 3B
7) Arcia LF
8) Ramierez CF
9) Florimon SS

Well, Hicks is nowhere to be found in the lineup.  I'm not sure the tradeoff of offense at the expense of defense is a good one but nevertheless, that's one strong lineup with Doumit available too.

However, the reality is a strong defensive centerfielder is very important and we don't have another true centerfield option right now with Mastroianni on the DL.  When he returns, and if Hicks isn't improved and with Arcia and Ramierez hitting well, I see this as the time he gets sent down to AAA.

I would explore the minors for our next best CF option.  Where's Nate Roberts?  I wouldn't call up Clete Thomas until he hit 100 curve balls somewhere on his bat.  Maybe we need move Buxton up to high A now and keep him moving until he hits below .400.

Last edited 4/18/2013 4:40 PM by ETCDelawareTwinsFan

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Posted: 4/18/2013 4:28 PM

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good synopsis! Don't know where Roberts is?? Is Ramirez able to play? Agree that Thomas is hardly the answer for a call-up. I have said I would give Hicks 50 AB's and then make a decision. If he is 2-50, you have to send him down, or his confidence will be shot..plus he will learn bad habits.

coming to rochester might not be the place for him however. He might be better off in AA. OTOH, facing better pitching at AAA would probably help. Only problem is sending him to a team that has its head so far up its backside, the environment will not be the greatest. but I don't think he belongs in the majors yet. He still needs some maturing.
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Posted: 4/18/2013 6:11 PM

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I think if it's about keeping his psyche, then sending him to AA would definitely damage his confidence. I think elevating Buxton to High A would be a good idea, if he's tearing it up at low A theres no point in keeping him there when we are struggling mightily at CF.
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Posted: 4/18/2013 9:15 PM

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You could do it for a few games, but not long term. He'd be playing a tough position to play and trying to do it over guys who have played it their entire lives. He'd be learning it at the highest level of competition.
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Posted: 4/18/2013 9:24 PM

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Weren't there a few people on here that wanted to turn Revere into a second baseman last year... my how the times have changed and it's "okay" to put a second baseman in center :)
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Posted: 4/19/2013 5:10 AM

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slydel9 wrote: Weren't there a few people on here that wanted to turn Revere into a second baseman last year... my how the times have changed and it's "okay" to put a second baseman in center :)
First of all, any suggestion of turning Revere into a 2nd basemen would have been dismissed as complete lunacy.  The guy was made to roam the wide open spaces of the outfield, where his closing speed is best utilized, with closing speed that is simply unmatched.   

Reason I thought of Escobar, is the fact that he's so damned versatile.  Most versatile guy I've seen play for us since Cesar Tovar (you may want to google him tongue).  He's our third string catcher, he can be put anywhere in the infield and as we all saw against the Angels, he's damn good in the outfield.  In other words, it's not like we're throwing a guy like Orlando Hudson out to the outfield. 

Folks sometimes forget we threw Punto out in CF and he was pretty good.  I have no doubt Escobar would be up to it.

Now, converting an outfield to an infield position other than first base is another story and produces mixed results.  Michael Cuddyer comes to mind and though a good athlete, he was well below average at 3rd and 2nd (but ok at first).
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Posted: 4/19/2013 5:12 AM

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And yeah, as I've said and has beast has mentioned, this would only be a temporary solution.
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Posted: 4/19/2013 9:02 AM

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brian450 wrote:
slydel9 wrote: Weren't there a few people on here that wanted to turn Revere into a second baseman last year... my how the times have changed and it's "okay" to put a second baseman in center :)
First of all, any suggestion of turning Revere into a 2nd basemen would have been dismissed as complete lunacy.  The guy was made to roam the wide open spaces of the outfield, where his closing speed is best utilized, with closing speed that is simply unmatched.   

Reason I thought of Escobar, is the fact that he's so damned versatile.  Most versatile guy I've seen play for us since Cesar Tovar (you may want to google him tongue).  He's our third string catcher, he can be put anywhere in the infield and as we all saw against the Angels, he's damn good in the outfield.  In other words, it's not like we're throwing a guy like Orlando Hudson out to the outfield. 

Folks sometimes forget we threw Punto out in CF and he was pretty good.  I have no doubt Escobar would be up to it.

Now, converting an outfield to an infield position other than first base is another story and produces mixed results.  Michael Cuddyer comes to mind and though a good athlete, he was well below average at 3rd and 2nd (but ok at first).
Gardy was just trying to get his potent bat in the line up excited
 Meyer and May will be top of the rotation starters by 2015. 
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