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Add Rafael Perez to the List of Exciting Pitching Acquisitions!!

Posted: 2/17/2013 5:27 PM

Add Rafael Perez to the List of Exciting Pitching Acquisitions!! 


rolleyes


Upsides:

  • *He's left-handed
  • Cheap
  • Potential Starter - word is they're going to try to stretch him out and potentially make him a starter
Downsides:
  •    He's cheap for a reason - limited role as spot reliever for Cleveland for years and coming off shoulder surgery;
  •   The guy is your typical pitch-to-contact guy - he won't give you many K's, but apparently, we get excited about these types (Pelfrey, Blackburn, Correia, Pavano, Diamond, Marquis... wait, pretty much everyone we've had in recent history... I'm going to call in the BRAD RADKE EFFECT, because we've obviously used BR as our reference)                                                                        
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Posted: 2/17/2013 5:31 PM

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But, but, but... put me down for someone that likes Rafael Perez OVER Kevin Correia AND Mike Pelfrey (but that, my friends, is not saying a helluva lot).
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Posted: 2/17/2013 8:59 PM

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If memory serves he's a lefty, which I like. Can never have enough southpaws... Perhaps we should sign Flutie to throw knucklers every fifth day?
 Meyer and May will be top of the rotation starters by 2015. 
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Posted: 2/18/2013 3:58 PM

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Couldn't hurt to add lefties. Welcome, Rafael!
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Posted: 2/21/2013 2:13 PM

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I suppose if you have collected 10 or 11 potential starters, all vying for those 5 slots, maybe you might find a rotation somewhere out there.
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Posted: 2/21/2013 4:48 PM

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insagt1 wrote: I suppose if you have collected 10 or 11 potential starters, all vying for those 5 slots, maybe you might find a rotation somewhere out there.
OK, if you're going to make a cake and the recipe calls for flour, butter, eggs, milk, chocolate, etc... but instead your ingredients are powdered skim milk, "safflower oil, instant eggs, cow manure, etc...  

Should we expect that cake to taste good?  Can we even expect average?
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Posted: 2/21/2013 5:42 PM

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Personally, I think the staff will be better this year. It'd be hard to be worse than the past two years, but I think they will be a decent staff.
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Posted: 2/21/2013 7:07 PM

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beast10 wrote: Personally, I think the staff will be better this year. It'd be hard to be worse than the past two years, but I think they will be a decent staff.
The plan at this time last year was:

1. Baker
2. Pavano
3. Liriano
4. Marquis
5. Blackburn

Emergency:  Duensing and Swarzak spot starters.

First of all, Baker was/is better than anyone we'll trot out in 2013 vs...  Vance Worley is the only candidate to fill his shoes in 2013 and imo, he's < Scott Baker.  P

#2 Pavano was a proven workhorse for us vs. Scott Diamond can be the guy he was in 2012, but we may see some regression.

#3 Liriano's arm is/was electric and their was good reason to think he may return to full form - As erratic as Liriano is, he's still a better option than Kevin Correia imo.

#4 Marquis - terrible signing, but imo, Marquis = Correia and Pelfrey.  Simply horrible and at the very best, less than average.  TR - why are you wasting money on this crap?

#5 Blackburn - had a great spring training last year and was a ton to be optimistic about, however, he lost his sinker and relied on his worst fastball in the majors vs. Hendriks, Harden, DeVries - who really knows ???   In other words, we had a somewhat proven commoditity at #5 and now we have a ton of question marks...

In other words, at the very least, one cannot say we've made real or significant steps to  improve our SP over 20012 - why I give TR a solid D- over the winter.

Hopefully, I'm waaayyyy wrong, but I say we'll have the worst starting pitching in baseball.
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Posted: 2/21/2013 9:02 PM

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Beast, I said this too and Brian clearly sees it differently.

One of the issues is Baker.  Yes, Baker was on the list to start, in fact, he was the defacto "ace" but he didn't get far, his injury was very early in spring training and never got off the ground and never realistically was an option for the starting rotation.  It was the reason Hendriks made the cut and became a starter.

Liriano was a guy with a great arm but lacked confidence and never got the nasty stuff pre elbow blow out when he was competing with Santana for the Cy Young that year with half a year's stats.  Every year we thought was the year he would get back his stuff, but as long as they "smoothed" his motion, his stuff got smoothed out as well.  He lost about 5 mph off his fastball and slider and that was huge.  I wonder if he'll ever get it back.  He is supposed to as the elbow is stronger than ever but his mind seems to be his biggest obstacle.

Pavano was also supposed to be a part of the rotation but he too went down very quickly.  Struggled early, then went on the DL.  Even in the rotation, he was basically a veteran soft tossing inning eater.

Marquis, awful.

Blackburn, said it plenty, never was a fan, my thought is he never had enough movement on his pitches to be a succeful major league pitcher.  He had a few amazing one game performances, real clutch jobs but they should translate to regular games against easy teams.  He simply gets rocked too easily and often.

This year

Diamond - ace?  Not really and as a sophomore slump might be in order.  His stuff isn't amazing, typical pitch to contact guy, don't know how he's made it this far quite honestly but until he fails, you have to keep giving him the ball.  He has shown an ability to eat innings.  I match him up to Pavano of last year and though he isn't as experienced, he's got better stuff and healthier.

Worley - I think this guy is a sleeper.  Power arm, seems to have a winning attitude and mental make up.  I think he matches up best with Liriano.  Needs to demonstrate consistency.

Pelfrey - This guy has been successful in the majors.  He's got a good arm, solid performer.  Not sure he's starter material so I'm not so sure he's a fixture in our rotation.  Baker is the natural comparison.  Baker has been better overall in his career but no doubt has had the same ups and downs.  Both coming off of Tommy John.  Must say, I'm optimistic about his work ethic and recovery from the surgery, better than Baker.  I always saw Baker's "toughness" as virtually non-existent.  From what Pelfrey is saying and doing, he's going after it this year.

Correia - You pick, Blackburn or Marquis, he is better than either.  I realize he's not an amazing signing but if he fills the 5th starter slot and gets innings which I think he will, he should do better than Blackburn or Marquis.  At the same time, doing better than either of them isn't saying much.  Also, if he get's DFA'd by July, our options better than last year to fill his spot simply because the guys we are picking from are a season more experienced and less wide-eyed.  First on the list to fill the 4th slot are Hendriks, Gibson, Deduno, DeVries and Harden?

5th slot will be interesting but anyone will be better than Blackburn or Marquis.
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Posted: 2/22/2013 4:05 AM

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Yes, yes, no, yes, no, yes, yes, yes and no... but

Apples to apples... oranges to oranges.  Like I said, we were better off exactly at this time last year (better plan, more talent, etc...) from our starters (of course, that's my opinion). 

Maybe we'll be marginally better if we're comparing our starters last year less Baker and Pavano, but I like I've said a billion times, I honestly can't see a marked improvement with bottom barrel additions like Correia and Pelfrey and pinning our hopes on Scott Diamond as a top of the rotation type of guy (no, his stuff isn't as good as a healthy Carl Pavano's). 

Anyone notice we went out on a limb and gave Kyle Davies a minor league dealeek1?  Can anyone say 'wtf?' is TR thinking?
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Posted: 2/22/2013 10:39 AM

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I wonder if the Twins will be active during ST in an attempt to perhaps land a legitimate starter and perhaps a big bat?? Or are they silently resigned to being non-competitive this year and perhaps watching their prospects more closely.
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Posted: 2/22/2013 2:41 PM

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Anyone notice we went out on a limb and gave Kyle Davies a minor league dealeek1?  Can anyone say 'wtf?' is TR thinking?

Purely a move to pad the AAA ranks.  He had a few great minor league seasons.  Probably a very solid AAA pitcher but can't find success in the majors.  Seen plenty of AAAA pitchers, it is a necessary part of keeping minor league organizations happy with some valuable veteran arms.
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Posted: 2/22/2013 2:44 PM

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insagt1 wrote: I wonder if the Twins will be active during ST in an attempt to perhaps land a legitimate starter and perhaps a big bat?? Or are they silently resigned to being non-competitive this year and perhaps watching their prospects more closely.

I would bet they will be watching for a potential back up third baseman with some pop.  Gardy talks about having some pop on the bench but we don't have that unless you consider AAA guys like Arcia.  I don't think they'll get a starter but I do wonder if Lohse might be considered as a one year contract.  Pitcher's park.
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Posted: 2/23/2013 11:22 PM

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gotta hope Twins don't have a worse season than Houston this year. that would be pretty pathetic. Many people don't think Houston can win 50 games. I figure the Twins are good for at least 60...barring any major changes.
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Posted: 2/24/2013 11:33 AM

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Injuries hurt us quite a bit last year.  The pitching staff was decimated.  As it stands today, I think it's quite clear we're starting out better.  After Spring training, if Pelfrey, Diamond, Correia, Worley are healthy, we'll be better starting out of the gate.  #5 will be either Hendriks of Gibson with the odds being in favor of Hendriks.  Both might make it or both might not if Harden shows enough strength to start or make the team for that matter.  The pen will be at worst the same and probably better.  I'm hoping they can keep the rule 5 guy Pressly.

Offensively, Morneau is healthy and Plouffe might be.  Hopefully Dozier will be better at second and improve offensively.  Florimon will be better defensively simply because his range seems so big not just side to side but his ability to go back on a ball is unreal.  If they hold to the notion of only keeping 2 catchers with Steinback working on their defensive skills and pitcher "handling", we should be better offensively, simply by subtraction, that is subtracting Butera's feeble bat.  Hopefully Arcia heals and makes the club for some pop off the bench.
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Posted: 2/24/2013 4:43 PM

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ETCDelawareTwinsFan wrote: ...

Hopefully Dozier will be better at second and improve offensively.  Florimon will be better defensively simply because his range seems so big not just side to side but his ability to go back on a ball is unreal. 
I'm not sure why you're holding your breath with Brian Dozier.  The incumbent and 'his job to lose' is Jamie Carroll (not just because I like him).  Dozier proved last year that he was out of his depth both with the bat and in the field and no doubt, needs another year downstairs to play everyday (and may never prove to be the player some thought he might). 

Florimon's defense was just fine last year, but yeah, with a half year in the bigs under his belt, he should feel a sense of belonging and confidence.  Like Carroll, I definitely think he is likely to be our opening day starter at his respective position.
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Posted: 2/25/2013 12:06 AM

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I will be completely shocked in Dozier makes the team this season. He may not even stick in Rochester, he regressed so badly last year. (or maybe he was just plain overrated) But he is not close to being a major leaguer yet, if ever.
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Posted: 2/25/2013 12:16 AM

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Maybe but there have been plenty of good players who struggled the first time they played in the majors.  Dozier had a great year in the minors and was the Twins minor league player of the year and hit well in the AFL that year too.  I think it was just probably too much too soon and I also think Gardy puts way too much pressure on young shortstops.  Jason Bartlett, Alexi Casilla have had mental issues playing the position.  I wouldn't be surprised if it's all Gardy's fault.  At second, Dozier can probably relax a little bit.  A good hitting coach could also do wonders for him.  If Dozier doesn't win the starting role, ok no problem, Carroll can do the job.  However, I'd rather have Carroll as the utlity guy than a guy who needs to play to keep getting better.  Dozier was rushed last year and Ryan has acknowledged it.  A bad first year isn't the end of his career.  We shouldn't give up on the guy especially since we don't have anyone until Rosario in A ball.
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Posted: 2/25/2013 11:52 AM

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I have no problem with the above actually. Dozier needed to spend the entire year at AAA in 2012. When he got recalled too soon, it hurt his progress and maybe ruined his confidence. When he returned to Rochester, he was awful. A wasted year. However, I still have my doubts as to whether he is a major league prospect at all. He might be, might not. Certainly not a 'can't miss'.
Hughes was another one who was rushed too soon and flamed out. Valencia has followed suit. I wonder if there is a common thread here?

Most of us here feel Gardy has overstayed his welcome. Not that he's a 'bad manager'--just the Twins need a change in direction. Interestingly, the other 'coach for life'--Lindy Ruff was finally let go from the Sabres after 15 seasons. Sometimes you just need a change. I believe the Twins are suffering as a result of stagnation. Gardy needs to go...sooner than later.
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Posted: 2/25/2013 5:05 PM

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Well, one can maintain hope beyond all logic for their favorite players.  After seeing far too much of Brian Dozier, I think it's as big a stretch to think he'll be our starting second baseman as it would be to see Mastroianni plugged in there...  both hella longshots. 

I think I'd rather take 10,000 to 1 odds on our winning the World Series.
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