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Twins on MLB Network's Top 50 Prospects

Posted: 1/30/2013 12:08 PM

Twins on MLB Network's Top 50 Prospects 


Kyle Gibson RHP #48
Alex Meyer#42
Byron Buxton #19
Miguel Sano #12


Thought it was interesting that we have two big righties on the list that are 6'6" and above with mid 90s fastballs. I'm also going to assume that Sano will end up being too big to play third and will end up in the outfield somewhere. I must say that we might be competitive in 2014 at the earliest but more than likely 2015. I guess I've got something to look forward to. We also have Trevor May (I think that's his last name, the guy we got in the Revere trade) so I'm not real worried about pitching unless we hear that one of them got injured.
 Meyer and May will be top of the rotation starters by 2015. 
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Posted: 1/30/2013 2:49 PM

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But wait, I thought our franchise was completely doomed forever because we traded Span and Revere?
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Posted: 1/30/2013 4:50 PM

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We still might be doomed. At this point they're just prospects, very good ones but still prospects. Could one of them become the next big thing or ace? Absolutely, but they could just as easily become the Tosoni's and other players (I'm sure insagt could name of several without even trying). Don't worry, I'm back to my slightly pessimistic view about the upcoming season biggrin
 Meyer and May will be top of the rotation starters by 2015. 

Last edited 1/30/2013 4:50 PM by slydel9

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Posted: 1/30/2013 5:13 PM

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slydel9 wrote: . We also have Trevor May (I think that's his last name, the guy we got in the Revere trade) so I'm not real worried about pitching unless we hear that one of them got injured.
I don't know why folks think Trevor May may actually help us at the big league level.  As I've pointed out in another thread, he's definitely over-rated by a MILLION miles (and he's light years away from the bigs).  Absolutely nothing he did in 2012 (where he struggled pitching at AA level) should suggest he has a bright future.

As pointed out earlier and a brief overview of Trevor May:

  • 5 years in minor leagues, never pitching above AA level (where he was last year and struggled with a 10-13 record, ERA hovering 5.00 and walked a man every two innings). 
  • He is a sub .500 pitcher the last two years at A+ and AA level (20 wins and 21 losses)
  • In those 5 years of minor league play, he has shown he can strike some folks out, but also has given up plenty of runs (ERA near 4).
  • Yes, has swing/miss curveball and average fastball, that apparently doesn't have much movement (as evidenced by giving up 1.3 home runs every 9 innings)
  • Below average slider and terrible change-up - a work in progress
  • Looks like a stud at 6'5 and 215 lbs - but looks like the Phils gave up on him after his regression in 2012. 

In other words, don't hold your breath amigos...
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Posted: 1/30/2013 5:23 PM

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beast10 wrote: But wait, I thought our franchise was completely doomed forever because we traded Span and Revere?
I'm pretty sure no one has said those words...

But, if your GM has come out and flat out states that our intention is to be competitive in 2013 and that we want to win the Central and makes STUPID, FLAT OUT GOOFY MOVES LIKE:

  • Letting a stud like Baker go because you don't want to give him a one year contract at 5.5 mil;
  • Signing Kevin 'uckingfay' Correira for not one, but TWO YEARS and giving him 10 million??eek1
  • Making a bunch of half-ass manure-vers to say you're 'trying' to improve, instead of going after a couple quality pitchers;
  • And yeah, trading away a guy you've developed and who is on the verge of being special, for basically one garbage minor league pitcher and another pitcher who couldn't hold Baker's jockstrap.

Fact is we've only moderately improved our pitching, but have digressed in other areas... AND, going into season 2012, the outlook was definitely better.
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Posted: 1/30/2013 5:27 PM

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That may be true however there are plenty of cases out there of late blooming pitchers: Jaime Moyer, Al Leiter, Dennis Eckerley, Randy Johnson, and Joe Nathan (who seems to be your favorite Twins reliever in the past ____ years). I don't hold my breath on a lot of prospects but that doesn't mean counting them out. Pitchers have up and down years, it happens to them for whatever reason. Look at 2008 - Cliff Lee was 22-3(won the cy young), the next year just 14-13, 2011- 17-8 the next year 6 and 9. I'll give you that it was at the major league level, but I expect him to bounce back and have a good minor league year. Will he help us immediately? No. I expect him to be in the majors by 2015 if not late 2014.
 Meyer and May will be top of the rotation starters by 2015. 
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Posted: 1/30/2013 5:28 PM

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brian450 wrote:
beast10 wrote: But wait, I thought our franchise was completely doomed forever because we traded Span and Revere?
I'm pretty sure no one has said those words...

But, if your GM has come out and flat out states that our intention is to be competitive in 2013 and that we want to win the Central and makes STUPID, FLAT OUT GOOFY MOVES LIKE:

  • Letting a stud like Baker go because you don't want to give him a one year contract at 5.5 mil;
  • Signing Kevin 'uckingfay' Correira for not one, but TWO YEARS and giving him 10 million??eek1
  • Making a bunch of half-ass manure-vers to say you're 'trying' to improve, instead of going after a couple quality pitchers;
  • And yeah, trading away a guy you've developed and who is on the verge of being special, for basically one garbage minor league pitcher and another pitcher who couldn't hold Baker's jockstrap.

Fact is we've only moderately improved our pitching, but have digressed in other areas... AND, going into season 2012, the outlook was definitely better.
When did this happen and where have I been hiding out to have missed that? bangheadbangheadbangheadmadmadmad
 Meyer and May will be top of the rotation starters by 2015. 
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Posted: 1/30/2013 5:55 PM

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All the guys you've mentioned provided key indications (not a 95 mph fastball) that would hinted at major league success.  Trevor May has none of these...

Btw, Nathan was a stud from the git-go (not a "late bloomer" as you're suggesting).
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Posted: 1/30/2013 6:00 PM

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slydel9 wrote: . Will he help us immediately? No. I expect him to be in the majors by 2015 if not late 2014.
I think it's highly more likely he will never, ever provide any help for us.  The very best outcome would be that he turns out to be another Boof Bonser.  Really - how much impact did Boof make with us?

But the most likely scenario is that he turns out to be another Scott Tyler and a host of others who can hit 95 on the radar gun.  Remember Scott Tyler?
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Posted: 1/30/2013 6:08 PM

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brian450 wrote: All the guys you've mentioned provided key indications (not a 95 mph fastball) that would hinted at major league success.  Trevor May has none of these...

Btw, Nathan was a stud from the git-go (not a "late bloomer" as you're suggesting).
He did next to nothing in 99-2000 (didn't play in 01). His records in those were were average at best with a high ERA.

In regards to May not having a 95+ fastball. Various places I look have him in the 92-94 range and can touch 96. He won't be an ace for us but he should be a good 3-4 starter.
 Meyer and May will be top of the rotation starters by 2015. 
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Posted: 1/30/2013 6:10 PM

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Also, Jaime Moyer having a 95 mph? Are you sure about that? Granted the guy has been playing since the collapse of the Roman Empire but still. There's no way that guy ever threw anywhere close to that fast.
 Meyer and May will be top of the rotation starters by 2015. 
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Posted: 1/30/2013 8:02 PM

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brian450 wrote: All the guys you've mentioned provided key indications (not a 95 mph fastball) that would hinted at major league success.  Trevor May has none of these...

Btw, Nathan was a stud from the git-go (not a "late bloomer" as you're suggesting).
Sorry Slyde - you have to read what I wrote.  I never implied any of the guys on your list could throw 95 mph fastballs, including Jamie Moyer.  But what they did have, including Nathan, and excluding Trevor May, was the shown ability to throw and have command of at least 3 pitches.

Everyone knows Moyer is a soft-tosser, but the guy knows how to pitch.

So yeah, Scott Tyler is the answer to a trivia question, something I see Trevor May becoming and no more.
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Posted: 1/30/2013 8:07 PM

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slydel9 wrote:

In regards to May not having a 95+ fastball. Various places I look have him in the 92-94 range and can touch 96. He won't be an ace for us but he should be a good 3-4 starter.
We're saying the same thing.  The guy (May) HAS a 95 mph fastball. 

We know this. 

What we also know (or should know) that this is no ticket to the bigs. 

I feel a friendly wager here.  I say he'll never accumulate as many wins as Boof Bonser did in his major league career, which is the same thing as saying he'll never be a consistent 3 or 4 for us, nor will he ever amount to anything.
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Posted: 1/30/2013 8:33 PM

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slydel9 wrote:
He did next to nothing in 99-2000 (didn't play in 01). His records in those were were average at best with a high ERA.

In regards to May not having a 95+ fastball. Various places I look have him in the 92-94 range and can touch 96. He won't be an ace for us but he should be a good 3-4 starter.
The Giants converted Nathan from a shortstop to a pitcher.  He had similar velocity to Trevor May (92-95, touching 96) but that's where the comparison ends.  Nathan WAS indeed able to develop a vicious slider and curve.  In fact, he was so nasty, the Giants rushed up to the bigs a tad too early and he had some temporary regression, but certainly his 2003 season was a huge indicative of good things to come.

Fact remains May hasn't done anything in his minor league career and especially the last two years to suggest we should be mentioning him in the same breath as Joe Nathan  (Scott Tyler, yes).

Who knows - maybe May "may" figure out how to throw that slider and changeup, but everything I've heard about the guy suggests good arm, straightish fastball, a decent curve, below average control and  definitely needs to develop two other pitches.  IF that happens, he may be better suited in the bullpen.
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Posted: 1/31/2013 9:29 AM

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brian450 wrote:
brian450 wrote: All the guys you've mentioned provided key indications (not a 95 mph fastball) that would hinted at major league success.  Trevor May has none of these...

Btw, Nathan was a stud from the git-go (not a "late bloomer" as you're suggesting).
Sorry Slyde - you have to read what I wrote.  I never implied any of the guys on your list could throw 95 mph fastballs, including Jamie Moyer.  But what they did have, including Nathan, and excluding Trevor May, was the shown ability to throw and have command of at least 3 pitches.

Everyone knows Moyer is a soft-tosser, but the guy knows how to pitch.

So yeah, Scott Tyler is the answer to a trivia question, something I see Trevor May becoming and no more.
For some reason I didn't see the NOT before the a 95 mph fastball... eek1

Time will tell on May as to what he becomes. I still think he can make a solid 3-4, worst case he becomes a middle reliever. (my optimism is up, pitchers and catchers report soon... it may be clouding my judgment biggrin)
 Meyer and May will be top of the rotation starters by 2015. 
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Posted: 1/31/2013 3:30 PM

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May really hasn't done anything yet to recommend that he will be a big league pitcher. He is a prospect and nothing more....and there are tons of them around. If he does make it...so much the better for the Twins. But if he goes the way so many others go, I won't be the least bit surprised. Every once in awhile a good one does come along....but more often pitchers flame out before making the big leagues...despite some very heady press clippings.

Again its why some of us have been very critical of trading a guy like Revere. TR has a lot of work to do in 2013.
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Posted: 1/31/2013 5:01 PM

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insagt1 wrote: May really hasn't done anything yet to recommend that he will be a big league pitcher. He is a prospect and nothing more...
Yep.  Absolutely NOTHING to suggest he'll amount to anything whatsoever.

A matter of fact, I believe Jim Hoey has more upside than Trevor May (and that'll tell you something, as I DETEST Jim Hoey). 

And who was Scott Tyler??  He and Travis Bowyer were two hard-throwing projected 'can't miss'  prospects we gave to the Marlins for the services of Luis Castillo and we all know what happened to these 95 mph young guns...
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Posted: 2/1/2013 9:52 AM

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For me Hoey always rhymed with Phooey.
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