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Why are the twins and most fans down on revere....

Posted: 12/6/2012 10:44 AM

Why are the twins and most fans down on revere.... 


He's basically playing for the minimum....  plays good defense... candy arm...  hits .280..... steals bases...  Every other report i've heard for the past 12 months have them shopping him.
Losers whine about their best...... Winners go home and        %##%# the prom queen.
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Posted: 12/6/2012 11:27 AM

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With Span being traded, I highly doubt that Revere will be dealt now.   I think people may have preferred Span over Revere because the former has a proven track record of production, whereas Revere only has one year of quality play under his belt.   I have no reason to think that he won't continue to produce, but there is certainly some degree of risk in keeping a guy who has produced for one year over a guy who had been consistently producing for the past few years.  If Revere can continue producing the way he did last year and (even better) continue to improve, then Span's departure won't be as noticeable.

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Posted: 12/6/2012 11:29 AM

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I just noticed on ww.mlbtraderumors.com   Revere was traded to the Philles for Worley and Trevor May
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Posted: 12/6/2012 11:38 AM

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Who they heck are they? Why are they trading the only guy we have at the major league level that can play center field?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
 Meyer and May will be top of the rotation starters by 2015. 
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Posted: 12/6/2012 11:48 AM

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Get COCO Crisp from the A's for a bag of balls now?
Losers whine about their best...... Winners go home and        %##%# the prom queen.
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Posted: 12/6/2012 12:13 PM

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Okay, I know I've spent the past several days defending Ryan but I'll admit it;  this move is bizarre and I don't understand why it was made unless Ryan is planning to scrap 2013 and go for broke in 2014 or 2015.   Unless they are convinced that Hicks is absolutely ready to step in as the starting centerfielder (and I'm not sure how they could be), I'm not sure who they feel will play that position.  Worley is a decent mid-rotation pitcher, but I'm not sure it made sense to obtain him at the expense of the leadoff/CF position.   The other guy they got in return is supposedly listed as being Philadelphia's top pitching prospect, but his minor leauge numbers don't appear to be overly impressive.  Alex Meyer has already put up better numbers at the high A level than May has at the same level (both are the same age).

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Posted: 12/6/2012 12:27 PM

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In the past couple weeks the Twins have traded 2 speedy, true cf leadoff hitters for a back end rotation filler and 2 pitching prospects(May is the Phillies top pitching prospect because they traded away all there good prospects for Doc)?  I cant believe that those were the best packages they could have gotten.  Color me not impressed.




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Posted: 12/6/2012 12:37 PM

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Terry Ryan is a ******* moron. 1st you trade Span for someone who won't help for 2 years, now you trade your ONLY starting center fielder, and lead off hitter for no bodies.

Great job building this contender Terry....idiot!
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Posted: 12/6/2012 12:41 PM

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If the trading of Revere is true, Ryan's credibility with me has dropped another 10 notches. I'm not sure this move makes one lick of sense.
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Posted: 12/6/2012 4:26 PM

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viperdk wrote: Terry Ryan is a ******* moron. 1st you trade Span for someone who won't help for 2 years, now you trade your ONLY starting center fielder, and lead off hitter for no bodies.

Great job building this contender Terry....idiot!
Uckingfay stupid... and I'm trying to be nice.  Here's the thing that insagt and a few others would know about me prior to letting Baker walk to the Cubs... I WAS a fairly staunch supporter of Terry Ryan, but then came the stubborness by not giving Baker that second year and the bone-headed trade of Denard for a piece that may help us in a couple years... but alas, I digress...

For those that saw Ben Revere play, we gave away something special...
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Posted: 12/6/2012 4:48 PM

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Any hope that I had for this season has been gone. I'm putting the over/under for losses at 90 and I think I might take the over... This trade just sickens me (and as several can attest I wasn't a huge Revere fan).
 Meyer and May will be top of the rotation starters by 2015. 
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Posted: 12/6/2012 10:14 PM

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Don't know enough about May and Worley at this point but I can't say this was that far fetched because of our depth at centerfield.  I think everyone is underestimating how good Mastroianni is.  Far better arm than Revere, covers lots of ground and plays with the same reckless abandon hawking balls in center.  He just didn't get the chance to show off his game but when he did play right field he was great defensively.  He has blazing speed.  70 steals in 2009, 46 in 2010 and 34 in 2011 and 35 in 2012.  Most impressive is his low caught stealing numbers, respectively 15, 10, 10, 5.  Don't get me wrong, I don't think Matroianni is better than Revere, mostly because I think Revere is a slightly better contact hitter, but I think you get better overall defense and ok offensive production.
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Posted: 12/6/2012 11:57 PM

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The Span for Meyer trade was sort of wishy washy i was in a little bit of skeptiscm over it.

But it wasn't a terrible trade i grew to like it.

But this one is OUTSTANDING...

You get a B- or B type of prospect in May  AND Vance the vanimal Worley

when Vance is healthy he's a STUD.  But that bone chip scares me a bit.

Remember Boof Bonser when he was a rookie and 2nd yr in the league.  Thats roughly how Worley should be for a few years.



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1.Sano 2.Arcia 3.Rosario 4.Hicks 5.Hendriks 6.Benson 7.Salcedo 8.Michael 9.Kepler 10.Wimmers 11.Gibson/Dozier
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Posted: 12/7/2012 6:48 AM

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outstanding? A pitcher with one good major league season and the most recent one injury plagued and statistically terrible? Plus a prospect that has pitched one season at AA, and it was a very lousy year IMO...ERA of nearly 5.00--lots of walks and HR's allowed. And we give up our everyday leadoff hitter with the most useful speed on the team and who makes contact nearly all the time while playing a very decent center field?

How we can characterize this trade as outstanding at this point is a stretch IMO---so we will agree to disagree on this one. Both pitchers we obtained are most definitely unproven in that there are no dots to connect to suggest they will be studs at the major league level. IF Worley comes back healthy, perhaps....I'm pulling for that to happen cuz the Twins really need starting pitching. But giving up both Span and Revere to me is a huge risk....unless TR has more tricks up his sleeve.
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Posted: 12/7/2012 3:00 PM

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I do believe TR has a few more moves up his sleeve.  I'd like to see who he brings in at 3rd base.  We're somewhat week at this position in the organization (except for Sano) so I can see him pushing Plouffe with some talent this time (Sean Burroughs couldn't do it).  Phillies are in trade talks for Micheal Young.  He's the type of guy I think we could really use.
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Posted: 12/7/2012 7:31 PM

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ETCDelawareTwinsFan wrote: I do believe TR has a few more moves up his sleeve.  I'd like to see who he brings in at 3rd base.  We're somewhat week at this position in the organization (except for Sano) so I can see him pushing Plouffe with some talent this time (Sean Burroughs couldn't do it).  Phillies are in trade talks for Micheal Young.  He's the type of guy I think we could really use.
Burroughs was a huge disappointment in 2012. He contributed just about zero. And I believe Plouffe does need to be pushed. Like Valencia before him, he needs to earn his spot. As I have said many times, Plouffe has ALWAYS been extremely streaky. He needs to be consistent to be a legitimate major leaguer.
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Posted: 12/9/2012 12:24 AM

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SteveHoffmanSlowey wrote: The Span for Meyer trade was sort of wishy washy i was in a little bit of skeptiscm over it.

But it wasn't a terrible trade i grew to like it.

But this one is OUTSTANDING...

You get a B- or B type of prospect in May  AND Vance the vanimal Worley

when Vance is healthy he's a STUD.  But that bone chip scares me a bit.

Remember Boof Bonser when he was a rookie and 2nd yr in the league.  Thats roughly how Worley should be for a few years.
Outstanding?  If you're silly enough to suggest we're getting another Boof Bonser, then we've already lost on this deal BIG TIME.  rolleyes

Here's how I see it: 
1.  TR messed up royally by not giving Baker two years - now we have at least two holes that need filling for and needed to make a deal for a Baker-type replacement.

2.  TR messed up royally by not getting a Worley-type and a prospect for Span.  BAD, BAD, BAD trade, sorry ya'all.

3.  Then we trade Revere - everyone should know what I think of this guy and he could be very special.  Of course, a healthy Worley should be actually be ok, but to get him, you've lost your only major-league-ready center fielder, so now you're digging more deeply.This has put the organization behind the proverbial 8-ball, knowing we need two (2) count 'em, two (2) starting solutions that would be better than the stuff we put out there in 2012 AND we now need a centerfielder!  Or yeah, know full well you're going to retool in 2013, but keep telling 'Joe Fan' that we're going to be competitive and are interested in winning in 2013 (which may be absolute BS, for which case you WILL lose cred for flat out lying, be exposed and suffer at the gate!).

4.  He's made a bunch of unrealistic offers to free agents during the winter meetings so he could say he's 'trying' - as Yoda said, 'There is no try, only do!'   What's left that could help us?  Maybe only Marcum and Saunders or Jackson (but clearly not worth mentioning as he's not in our radar given his price tag).  We'll see, but TR's record with free agent pitchers ain't great (and, how generous am I being here?).

So yeah, we'll see... we now are down a center-fielder and need another starter,  but to say 'outstanding' is imo, is more than far-fetched.
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Posted: 12/9/2012 7:30 AM

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Revere deal was in the works since the owner's meeting.  Don't think he was making up for anything.  Don't understand why everyone sees this as such a negative deal.  If you listen to any of the national media, they actually think we got good arms and the deal was fair.  Neither player is a super star, far from five tool players.  Heck, neither has a great arm and neither has any power.  that's only 3 of 5.  I doubt either matches up with the elite centerfielders in either league.  Jacoby Ellsbury, Adam Jones, Curtis Granderson, Josh Hamilton...  Don't understand what you expect to get back for these guys.  They're good, they're just not elite.  Pitching is much more valuable these days.  More and more, you need 2-3 aces to have a shot at winning the World Series.  Two aces are required to make it into the playoffs.  TR knows it and since they have scrutinized the strike zone and strike calling, the strike 6 inches off the place just isn't getting called.  You simply have to make guys miss.  Greg Maddux would be a #5 pitcher in this day and age.  Pitch to contact no longer gets you enough wins.  Two more high ceiling prospects to develop into potential #1's or #2's.  Even if you wanted to go after established aces, they simply aren't available.  Anibal Sanchez and Kyle Lohse are the next best available pitchers and they're not aces.  Maybe strong 3's or weak 2's.  Greinke is a pipe dream and doesn't even make sense.  TR has a vision, I think it's relavent to the game today.  He's certainly better than Bill Smith and has a lot to make up for since Smith set us back making trades without getting any value back. 

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Posted: 12/9/2012 7:49 AM

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brian450 wrote:

Here's how I see it: 
1.  TR messed up royally by not giving Baker two years - now we have at least two holes that need filling for and needed to make a deal for a Baker-type replacement.


Brian, if you're going to rant, at least get the facts right.  The Twins DID offer Baker a two year deal.  It was BAKER who only wanted a one-year deal because he wanted to prove himself and cash in if he put up good numbers this year.  Why do you think Baker jumped so quickly at the chance to sign a one-year deal with the Cubs instead of holding out for a longer deal from the Twins or another team?  Don't blame Ryan if you're upset because Baker didn't get a two-year deal when that is precisely what he offered disbelief

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Posted: 12/9/2012 1:00 PM

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Yes, one year deal, as I've known and stated previously. 

My "rant" got in the way and clouded my banging on the keyboard wink

Bottom line is we should have given Baker his one year deal and not been so stubborn on locking him up for two.  And why is this you may ask? 

a.)  He's been damn good for us and better than any other starter we have under contract

b.)  TJ surgery is not a death sentence

c.)  Guys playing in last year of a contract or only year of a contract tend to be pretty motivated and somehow seem to have a lot of success. 

But alas, we can all only hope that TR has a plan to adequately fill CF and bucks his trend of signing crappy free agent starters and gives us one more quality pitcher before we head into 2013.
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