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RE: Serious discussions with the Bobcats taking place

Posted: 06/23/2008 11:26 AM

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The guy out there who reminds me a little of Pippen is Andre Iguodala. Handles the ball pretty well (although he's got a ways to go), strong, excellent defender w/HUGE wingspan and ultimately best as a 2nd fiddle.
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Posted: 06/23/2008 11:27 AM

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Question is...

Whose b-ball IQ is higher??
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Posted: 06/23/2008 11:46 AM

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I think the lakers should gamble on wallace, he will not have to play that reckless with us, because we would have bynum and gasol in the middle and kobe at the perimeter, he woulnt have to go all out on every play, he would be helped by the triangle with the slashing as he would get to the basket easier, with less contact
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Posted: 06/23/2008 11:51 AM

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brickshooter wrote: There seems to be controversy regarding the result of multiple concussions.  Some reports say that you're 3x as likely to suffer another concussion if you've suffered 3 or more in the last 7 years.  

Other reports refute this.  And some say that the result of the damage won't be felt until 20 years later. Which explains why concussions don't stop football players from finishing out successful careers.

So there is some real risk of GWallace's career being cut short. This sounds like another Trevor Ariza situation.   We may or may not be getting damaged goods albeit very talented ones.

Remember what happened to Steve Young of the 49ers? His career was cut short due to concussions.  Lets just hope same thing won't happen to G. Wallace.
Dictatorship has overtaken the Lakernation.  Major cause for concern.  Led by David "ala Vladimir Putin" Stern.  Beware!!!
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Posted: 06/23/2008 1:40 PM

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If Wallace is in fact traded here I think a lot of people around here and in the media are going to be shocked to see just how good of a basketball player he really is. He will make some plays that are just truly amazing, here is a pretty good video of his highlights, some of his blocks are truly amazing.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6phQvwUM8A
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Posted: 06/23/2008 1:54 PM

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mobius wrote: i hope your understanding is more accurate (in the end) than last time. we ALL know how much i would LOVE gerald wallace on THIS TEAM. dont' you all think he's MUCH MUCH closer to scottie pippen in function than lamar? i mean, aside form lamar's ballhandling and initiation the offense...



In fairness to him, he did come in here and out of the blue say Wallace was going to the Lakers in a deal that would send Jefferson to Charlotte and Odom to NJ. I remember most of us didn't believe it because none of us had heard any such rumor. Then a few days later it got reported in the newspapers that such a deal had actually been agreed upon by all parties but MJ changed his mind and nixed it at the last minute when he was able to come to terms with Wallace.

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Posted: 06/23/2008 2:08 PM

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yes, and that's what i'm hoping...that THIS time it works out fully...

because i think that benefits us IMMENSELY.

drom--his shot selection has been EXCELLENT over the past three seasons...even though he developed a decent jumper (WAY better than in his SAC days), he still relies on scoring IN THE PAINT as the source of well over half his points. i have ZERO issue with his shot selection...THIS GUY is like shawn marion but without the primadonna attitude, ALL the hops and THEN SOME, a more reliable jump shot, and slightly fewer rebounds (but better man and ESPECIALLY HELP defense--incl. blocks and steals). i LOVE IT! i want him in the worst way...GW as a lakers and as kobe's partner in crime...that would be a LEGENDARY PAIRING IMO, and then with bynum and pau checking in as the INSIDE and MIDRANGE offense...put vlad/sasha outside knocking down open threes...while NOT hurting the team much on defense (or AT ALL, if they both continue to improve the way they HAVE already improved on D since becoming lakers).
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Posted: 06/23/2008 2:19 PM

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Sheer talent I'd take him over Marion any day but one of the Matrix's biggest attribute, if not THE biggest is his reliability, not including this year's fake "I backed into something in the garage" injury. Wallace would fit perfectly into what the Lakers want out of 3, sans the deep threat, but that is a factor along w/his injury riddled history.

I still think Tayshawn Prince would be THE absolute best fit for the Lakers. Great ball handler, excellent shooter, stellar defender, incredible durability...he's Laker fans fantasy and my nightmare.

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Posted: 06/23/2008 2:20 PM

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Hey, I'm with you Mobius. Wallace is one of the two SF's I'd trade Odom for without trepidation. The other being my first choice Josh Smith.

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Posted: 06/23/2008 4:14 PM

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I wonder how much of fingerprint Larry Brown has on this proposal. I know that Larry really likes what Lamar brings.
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Posted: 06/23/2008 4:31 PM

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brickshooter wrote: I wonder how much of fingerprint Larry Brown has on this proposal. I know that Larry really likes what Lamar brings.
Larry will wreck that team in a year or two and bolt. What a jerk!
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Posted: 06/23/2008 4:35 PM

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I think the question is do they want Okafor to be a C? They've sent out multiple conflicting stances on this over the past year (although it could have just been Sam Vincent not knowing what he was doing).
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Posted: 06/24/2008 12:15 AM

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First I would like to say, it's nice to see comments from guys who know basketball rather than talking out of their a$$ like on other Lakers sites.

Now as for Gerald Wallace. He would be an excellent pickup because of his defense and post game. Kind of reminds me of Kobe but stronger and with a better post up game. As you guys mentioned, health is the biggest concern primarily the concussions. He's proven that he's concussion prone whether it's his fault or not and the more times it happens the higher the risk of it reoccurring (see Steve Young and Troy Aikman whose careers were cut short because of this) It's a risky decision and I think it requires and extensive physical to determine the damage he has already had to his brain.

That said if he passes the physical he would still be my 2nd choice behind Ron Artest.
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Posted: 06/24/2008 12:27 AM

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Ron Artest over Gerald Wallace, especially if we thought he would stay healthy? Gerald Wallace is an amazing player and if he was on a team that got any national recognition whatsoever he would be recognized as a better all around player than Artest. Kobe is a bad comparison to Wallace, but the Shawn Marion comparison earlier to me seems pretty close.
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Posted: 06/24/2008 7:07 AM

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dave1003 wrote: First I would like to say, it's nice to see comments from guys who know basketball rather than talking out of their a$$ like on other Lakers sites.


On behalf of the board, thanks for the compliment!

Welcome to the board Dave!

 

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Posted: 06/24/2008 11:24 AM

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I don't think this trade makes the Lakers a better team. Trade talk is fun around this time, but i wouldnt make a trade just to be making one. Or because of frustration with Lamar's performance in the NBA Finals. No Laker played well in the Finals and how many Power Forwards would be consistent against KG anyway in a 7 game series. Many power forwards would have problems with KG.

With Wallace we become a worse passing team which is one of the things George Karl and Greg Popovich complimented about our team. Wallace mainly looks to score and he can't play PF if Bynum goes down with a injury again.
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Posted: 06/24/2008 12:36 PM

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Gotta love excuses
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Posted: 06/24/2008 12:45 PM

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Rod26 wrote: Wallace mainly looks to score and he can't play PF if Bynum goes down with a injury again.

Wallace spent more than twice the amount of time this past season at PF than SF. 

In fact 7 of the Top 10 lineups in terms of minutes, including the Top 2, that Charlotte went with this season had Wallace at PF.

 

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Posted: 06/24/2008 12:47 PM

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I just watch some of the players mentioned in trades for Lamar and im not impressed with them. They are stat guys on bad teams.

How much you want to bet the Bobcats end up with a better record with Lamar instead of Wallace. He brings more length, rebounds and creativity and ball movement.

The same with Wade and Lamar was a far better combo then Marion and Wade because Marion can't create his own shot or create for Wade.

Lamar made Wade's job easier because both could create for each other. Marion makes things harder for Wade because he can't create.
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Posted: 06/24/2008 12:55 PM

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Rod26 wrote: I just watch some of the players mentioned in trades for Lamar and im not impressed with them. They are stat guys on bad teams.

So you're going to define Marion as a "stat guy on a bad team" based on the 1/2 half season he spent in Miami, where never played with a 100% Wade, basically all the other main players were injured (Zo, Haslem, Wright) and Marion himself suffered from injuries that ended his season prematurely. What about Marion's time on Phoenix, namely 04-05 to midway of 07-08? The Suns were 211-84 in that span. Is that not worthy of him being a "stat guy on a good team"?

Artest has been on winning teams. Jefferson made it to the Finals twice. Prince has a Championship ring and his team has made at least the Conference Finals in the past 6 years. Plus he is hardly a stat guy.

The only guy you can describe as a "stats guy on a bad team" is Wallace. Not at all applicable to any of the other names.

 

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Posted: 06/24/2008 1:04 PM

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EddieEddie wrote:
Rod26 wrote: I just watch some of the players mentioned in trades for Lamar and im not impressed with them. They are stat guys on bad teams.

So you're going to define Marion as a "stat guy on a bad team" based on the 1/2 half season he spent in Miami, where never played with a 100% Wade, basically all the other main players were injured (Zo, Haslem, Wright) and Marion himself suffered from injuries that ended his season prematurely. What about Marion's time on Phoenix, namely 04-05 to midway of 07-08? The Suns were 211-84 in that span. Is that not worthy of him being a "stat guy on a good team"?

Artest has been on winning teams. Jefferson made it to the Finals twice. Prince has a Championship ring and his team has made at least the Conference Finals in the past 6 years. Plus he is hardly a stat guy.

The only guy you can describe as a "stats guy on a bad team" is Wallace. Not at all applicable to any of the other names.
Ditto, PLUS Lamar had Caron Butler who is arguably as good or better than any of the guys currently being mentioned in trades w/the Lakers.
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Posted: 06/24/2008 1:04 PM

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EddieEddie wrote:
Rod26 wrote: Wallace mainly looks to score and he can't play PF if Bynum goes down with a injury again.

Wallace spent more than twice the amount of time this past season at PF than SF. 

In fact 7 of the Top 10 lineups in terms of minutes, including the Top 2, that Charlotte went with this season had Wallace at PF.

This is what I was talking about earlier - Sam Vincent had no idea what he was doing. They brought in Nazr Mohammed, who was a walking double double anytime he could get 30 minutes, and what does Vincent do? Bench Mohammed so he can play Jeff McInnis.

It was so ridiculous it got to the point where the team had to release McInnis altogether just to stop Vincent from starting him.


Anyways, just because a nut like Vincent played Wallace at PF doesn't mean it's something any sane person should do. Unless Phil's planning to go really small-ball, like into the "are you serious?" realms where usually only Don Nelson goes.

And given Wallace's injury history, the last thing I'd want him doing is banging with full-sized dudes like Brand, Amare, and Al Jefferson down low.
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Posted: 06/24/2008 1:04 PM

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Hey guys.  I'm a huge fan of LO but how many times did he not show up in crucial games.  I'm all for a 6'10 guy that can play any position that he wants but I personally would love to see this happen. 

With that in mind, let me throw a little twist into this and ask you guys what you think about it.

Why did Trevor Ariza just change his number to 1 from 3?  Is that a sign that this deal is about to take place?  Are the Lakers telling Trevor that they need the number 3 for Gerald Wallace?

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Posted: 06/24/2008 1:08 PM

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OllieWilliams wrote:

Anyways, just because a nut like Vincent played Wallace at PF doesn't mean it's something any sane person should do. Unless Phil's planning to go really small-ball, like into the "are you serious?" realms where usually only Don Nelson goes.
Yes! Playing PF was likely what contributed to Wallace being a walking concussion. This was certainly an odd situation. W/MJ in the front office this team is just a disaster.
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Posted: 06/24/2008 2:09 PM

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you ALL know how much i want GW on our team...he improves our defense (despite lamar's PERSONAL improvement in that area), gives us ANOTHER legit #2 scoring option, and he's REALLY REALLY ACTIVE, with lots of steals, blocks, and deflections. remember, he had ONE season where he LED the league in steals (2.5, i think) and had over 2 blocks per game. amazing, really. he gets fewer blocks of late, but STILL...real good man D, good HELP D, and he can create his own shots, although he works really well off the ball. i don't know, i DO feel like keeping lamar would NOT hurt this team at all...but maybe OBTAINING GW could potentially IMPROVE US, by quite a bit. athletically speaking, he REALLY does remind me of scottie pippen in his prime ahtletically.

i like the fact that he gets his hands on SO MANY (basket)balls on defense. it disrupts the SCHEMES of opposing offenses, and here's the thing i LOVE--good defense is CONTAGIOUS. that is a LOT of what made those bulls teams so good on D--that they saw a guy like scottie just getting INTO his guy and disrupting their entire offense, and everybody responded by putting pressure on THEIR GUYS. it's a beautiful thing, and having that guy spearhead the perimeter D while you have an ADDITIONAL BONUS of a big man inside SHUTTING DOWN the driving lanes and just flat-out TAKING SHOTS OUT OF THE AIR...that leaves SO LITTLE breathing room for opponents.

i guess i just feel like wallace is a guy who CAN spearhead a strong, aggressive perimeter defense that applies PRESSURE on the ball AND in the passing lanes.

What a SUPER legit number 2 option…like a 2A if he came to LA, with HOPEFULLY a healthy bynum occupying the post and getting a lot of the touches down low to bring balance. to me an acquisition like this could easily translate into the lakers becoming a much more DEFENSIVELY oriented team, with more quickness and better play in the passing lanes, more of a transition game...i just love the idea, i guess.

i hope we do it. after what lamar has been through since he's been in LA, i DO know that no matter where he goes, i will be a fan. he's had a rough go of it, personally speaking...and honestly i do NOT want him to leave...because he's the kind of guy that his teammates get behind, not so much because of LEADERSHIP per se, but because they IDENTIFY with him, they EMPATHIZE with him, and they SUPPORT HIM. BUT...i think a subtle makeover would not hurt, and we ALREADY have NO shortage of SIZE on our frontline, so the loss of lamar is mitigated quite a bit by the presence of a 7-footer at PF.

just my thoughts.
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Posted: 06/24/2008 2:19 PM

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OllieWilliams wrote:

This is what I was talking about earlier - Sam Vincent had no idea what he was doing. They brought in Nazr Mohammed, who was a walking double double anytime he could get 30 minutes, and what does Vincent do? Bench Mohammed so he can play Jeff McInnis.

It was so ridiculous it got to the point where the team had to release McInnis altogether just to stop Vincent from starting him.


Anyways, just because a nut like Vincent played Wallace at PF doesn't mean it's something any sane person should do. Unless Phil's planning to go really small-ball, like into the "are you serious?" realms where usually only Don Nelson goes.

And given Wallace's injury history, the last thing I'd want him doing is banging with full-sized dudes like Brand, Amare, and Al Jefferson down low.


Hey I wasn't saying I wanted Wallace PF.

I was responding to the statement that he "can't play PF".

Just noting that he can.... and has.... and not for small stretches like Luke has.

 

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Posted: 06/24/2008 2:32 PM

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Okay, I agree that Wallace can play at PF. I'm just saying he shouldn't.

Also, as someone who owned Mohammed on a few fantasy teams I like to get my digs in on the moron that was Sam Vincent, Head Coach, as often as I can.
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Posted: 06/24/2008 2:44 PM

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My fantasy dig of the day goes to the Laker trainers for giving me hope Bynum would come back by March 15 and help me in my playoff push for the 3 leagues I had in him. Slowly the date got pushed back and more back until I ended up dropping him only a couple weeks before the end of the fantasy season for the likes of Johan Petro.

 

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Posted: 06/24/2008 4:34 PM

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CoolHandGary wrote: Gotta love excuses

That was uncalled for... but touche!

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Posted: 06/25/2008 1:12 PM

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If Buss passed on Baron Davis due to injury concerns then maybe Wallace should get the same pass. Injury history has to be a concern especially for a team that been hit by many injuries.  On top of that Odom's contract is good for the lakers as well.  Teams looking for that big contract to come of the book and get in the Lebron sweepstakes should pay well for a good guy and good player like Odom...and his contract

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