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Re: Prospect Thread

Posted: 01/26/2007 4:56 PM

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Im so dying for some baseball right now. I just tried calling my cable company, timewarner, to buy Espn deportes so i could watch Matt Kemp in the dominican playoffs. But they dont carry espn deportes. AArggh! Anybody know where you can watch these games?

Posted: 01/26/2007 6:50 PM

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LOL you are a true fan my friend. :)

Posted: 01/26/2007 9:01 PM

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Continuing with the minor league lineups:

SB High A:
C - A. Harper
1B - D. Sutherland
2B - ?
SS - I. DeJesus
3B - ?
OF - J. Hoffman
OF - T. Denker
OF - B. Hunt
SP - M. Arias (L)
SP - M. Alvarez (R)
SP - J. McDonald (L)
SP - C. Malone (R)
SP - J. Pratt (R)
RP - J. Jones (R)
RP - C. Wade (R)

Midland - low A
C - C. McGeehan
1B - R. Taloa/E. Herrera
2B - J. Soto
SS - B. Carter
3B - J. Bell
OF - R. Rogowski
OF - T. Giles
OF - M. Berezay
SP - C. Kershaw
SP - J. Castillo (R)
SP - M. Ramirez (R)
SP - M. Gardner (R)
SP - P. Coleman (L)
SP - M. Gracia (R)
RP - W. Renfrow (R)
RP - C. White (L)
RP - M. Sanfler (L)
RP - J. Guerra (R)

OGD Rookie:
C - J. Anthony
1B - K. Orr
2B - M. Rivera
SS - P. Mattingly
3B - B. Mathews
OF - S. VanSlyke
OF - ?
OF - ?
SP - P. Noboa (R)
SP - J. Wall (R)
SP - K. Dominguez (L)
SP - J. Rodriguez (R)
SP - T. Melgarejo (L)
RP - W. Diaz (L)
RP - J. Caraballo (R)

The lower you look in the minors the harder it is to guess what will happen.  College draftees will probably fill in the roster at Ogden.  Keep an eye on the ones in bold.

Last edited 01/26/2007 9:05 PM by dodger47

Posted: 01/27/2007 11:31 AM

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Bryan Smith, the guy that wrote prospect rankings for SI answered some questions about his rankings. Her is a dodger related question:


Bryan, if these recent Dodger grads still qualified, where wouldthey rank in your 75? Matt Kemp, Russell Martin, Andre Ethier, ChadBillingsley and Kuo?

All right, we'll run through this quick. I love Kemp, hispower-speed combination seems fantastic, and his athleticism is off thecharts. I worry about his ability to hit a breaking ball, however. He'sa better prospect than Carlos Gonzalez, so we'll stick him right inthere. Martin would be extremely high on this list, I think the worldof his defensive abilities, which will be combined with averageoffensive skills (above-average for a catcher). Martin and Tulowitzkiwould be neck and neck. Ethier, man, I don't know. I think his greatseason was a little fluky, but he's still a very good young player.I'll say he's right behind Adam Jones. Chad Billingsley would be closeto Adam Miller for the third pitching prospect award, and my new lovefor Miller probably puts him right behind. I would put Kuo down as thethird-best Dodger southpaw in the system (a ridiculous statement), andhe'd probably be right around the range of Mike Pelfrey. Logan Whitehas done one helluva job, hasn't he?


http://baseballanalysts.com/archives/2007/01/2007_wtny_prosp_1.php#comments

Posted: 01/27/2007 12:25 PM

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Eithier reminds me of one of those guys that don't show the flash but one day you look back and see a solid 10 year career. Seems like it will take some time for him to get respect.

Last edited 01/27/2007 12:33 PM by rickinbaja

Posted: 01/27/2007 2:55 PM

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dodgerPorVida wrote:

Ethier, man, I don't know. I think his greatseason was a little fluky, but he's still a very good young player.


Ethier is a gammer and will never get the gradatude he diserves. I remember seeing him at a All-Star game before we traded for him. He was playing RF and I was really impressed with him and was sholed we traded for him. Im glad we have him but he will never get the ink he should, and theres not alot he can do about it as hes just one of thoughs guys. Hes solid but not great.

PS : Oldfan60 thank you very much for the welcome. It is very nice to post again thank you.

Last edited 01/27/2007 2:56 PM by washie

Posted: 01/27/2007 7:40 PM

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Keith Law ranked the Dodgers as the 17th best farm system in baseball.

Don't really know what to think about that one.

Posted: 01/27/2007 7:56 PM

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To me Ethier seems a bit like Paul O'neill.  A good solid player that will hit for average, some power but will always be held in high regard by teammates and will probably find his way onto several championship teams.  Let's hope they are with us.

Posted: 01/27/2007 8:14 PM

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PatrickTheDodgersFan wrote: Keith Law ranked the Dodgers as the 17th best farm system in baseball.

Don't really know what to think about that one.

my thoughts exactly. someone should email him and get the lo-down on that. Because right now, that is complete Shinfo.

Posted: 01/27/2007 8:48 PM

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He explained his low ranking of the Dodgers by saying that no system got hurt as much of the Dodgers by the promotions.

Posted: 01/27/2007 8:49 PM

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The Dodgers graduated a lot of top talent into the majors this past year. While we have some good young guys still in the system, we need some of them to step up. With a healthy year, and the usual Logan White draft, the Dodgers will be back in the top 10 next year.

Posted: 01/27/2007 10:15 PM

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In baseball america, the dodgers are ranked sixth. Right above Keith Law's current "HOT" farm system, the Yankees. While i do think the dodgers should moved down a few spaces for having graduated a lot of prospects this year, the yankees have Hughes, Tabata, Sanchez, Chamberlain and a bunch of nice players. The dodgers have Laroche, Kershaw, Dewitt, Elbert, Meloan, Mattingly, Abreu and Bell. With the exception of Hughes, I wouldn't trade any of our guys for theirs.
  Im not arguing the Blue should still be in the top 5. What i am saying is that they have more talent and depth than the Reds, Orioles, Brewers, Red Sox, White Sox and Yankees. All these teams' farms are picked ahead of the dodgers in Keith Law's list.

Posted: 01/27/2007 10:50 PM

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Even with the graduations we still a top 10 farm system  

Posted: 01/28/2007 12:32 AM

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You can catch some of the Dominican Baseball on the Spanish Fox Sports net, but its random and replayed.

Anyone see Matt Kemp drive in the winning RBI and see Tony Abreu K'ed by Carlos Friggin' Perez with a chance to tie the game???

Posted: 01/28/2007 1:01 AM

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From the list provide for our top 30, we're strong on top but our top 10 is fairly week. Andy LaRoche is a stud, once he's healthy he's going to explode and he's going to "Russell Martin" Wilson Betemit. For that reason, I'd like to package Wilson and a starter for an upgrade offensively somewhere. For whom, is another story. Clayton Kershaw looks like a beast. But he's young, we need to let him develop on his terms. No need to rush him, we need to do our best to make sure he doesn't go Greg Miller on us. Scott Elbert has been dominant as far as K/IP and H/IP are concerned. But he needs to cut the control problems down. I love James Loney, he's going to be great. I think Jon Meloan should be fifth on the list. I'm not too excited about Abreu, more excited about DeJesus, and I still believe DeWitt is going to explode. Bryan Morris is 12th, and he had to have TJ surgery. ]

I just believe we need some players to step up for our minor league system to return to it's dominance. LaRoche and Loney will be off the list next year. I could see Meloan and Greg Miller graduating from this list as well. But I see guys like Kyle Orr, Mike Megrew, Justin Orenduff, and Blake DeWitt rebounding. I believe we'll see further development of Clayton Kershaw and Preston Mattingly. And we will add two first round picks to our system, hopefully some later round jewels, and some international additions.

Posted: 01/28/2007 8:32 AM

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after reading b.a.'s take on our top 30, i think dewitt may becomeexpendable this year. they project him to move back to 3b, but hispower doesn't look like enough for him to be a star there, and it'scertainly not enough to overtake laroche. they also really like abreuat 2b. for that reason, i think dewitt may be one of our chips at thedeadline.

another observation is that we have too many relief prospects. we need to convert some of these guys back to starters!

Posted: 01/28/2007 12:19 PM

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I'm actually a big fan of Abreu. imo, DeJesus just has bloodlines and defense (not by much) over Abreu, whereas Abreu has been very consistent throughout his minor league career. Abreu can play the SS pretty adequetly, if not above average, but will man 2B. I think that DeJesus can be our version of Cesar Izturis (when he was hitting his stride), but Abreu will be the consistent .290 hitter that will go underappreciated (hello Andre Ethier).

Posted: 01/28/2007 12:29 PM

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De Jesus also has incredible patience for a player his age. Good speed, to go along with his defense, and he's the potential replacement for Furcal when Furcal's deal is up.

Posted: 01/28/2007 12:36 PM

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theweakspot wrote: You can catch some of the Dominican Baseball on the Spanish Fox Sports net, but its random and replayed.

Anyone see Matt Kemp drive in the winning RBI and see Tony Abreu K'ed by Carlos Friggin' Perez with a chance to tie the game???



I found this article in spanish of Matt Kemp game winning single in th 9th in th D.R. Also there is  a small streaming video showing his base winning hit. At the endo of it Jose Offerman gets thrown out at third trying to go from first to third on Kemps single.

http://espndeportes.espn.go.com/news/story?id=522589&s=bei&type=story

Posted: 01/28/2007 5:36 PM

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From BA handbook:

Best Tools

Best hitter for average: Loney
Best power hitter: Laroche
Best strike zone discipline: Dunlap
Fastest Baserunner: Trayvon Robinson
Best Athelete: Mattingly
Best Fastball: Kershaw
Best curveball: Elbert
Best Slider: Meloan
Best Changeup: Carlos Alvarez
Best Control: Kershaw
Best defensive catcher: Gabriel guttierez
Best defensive Infielder: Dejesus
Best Infield Arm: Laroche
Best defensive outfielder: Jamie Hoffman
Best outfield arm: Xavier Paul

Projected 2010 Lineup:
catcher: russ martin
first base: Loney
second base: Abreu
shortstop: furcal
third base: Laroche
Left field: Ethier
Centerfield: Pierre
Rightfield: kemp

No1 starter: billingsley
No2 starter: Schimdt
No3 starter: Kershaw
No4 starter: Elbert
No5 starter: Penny
Closer: Broxton

Really nice to see Kershaw have the best control and fastball already! I hope the kid doesn't get hurt. Here is an excerpt on him:

" He paints both corners with 93-94 mph heat, topping out at 96. His curveball is a plus pitch with 71-77 mph velocity and 1 to 7 tilt. He has feel for a circle changeup that could become a third above average pitch. He fills the strikezone with all three of his pitches. He has a durable frame and repeats his delivery....He has top of the rotation stuff, command and makeup."

I think his refinement of the changeup can separate him from other young pitchers. Hopefully he can accomplish that. I know he is still young but its tough not to get excited over him.

Last edited 01/28/2007 5:37 PM by dodgerPorVida

Posted: 01/28/2007 5:56 PM

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In comparison to Kershaw this is what they say of Elbert:

The fiercest competitor in the system, Elbert attacks both with his 90-92 mph fastball, which has late life and can reach 96. His two plane curveball has hard sharp break...Elbert doesn't consistently repeat his delivery and overthrows, which leads to below-average command. He'll power through his curveball, which causes it to flatten out. He hasn't needed his circle changeup much and it lags behind his other 2 offerings.

In 2005 they said some of the same, although he did pick up some MPH on his fastball:

Elbert isn't as polished, but he has a live 88-93mph fastball, a two-plane breaking ball and future average changeup....He tends to rush his lower half during his delivery and yanks his arm accross his body, getting around and under the ball.


I hope this kid can work on his delivery and changeup because right now it sounds like he is a 2-pitch bullpen arm in the bigs. I feel he needs 2 more years in the minors, unless he makes big strides this year. I think sometimes its great that the dodgers push their prospects, but in Elbert's case i hope they take it slow.

Last edited 01/28/2007 5:57 PM by dodgerPorVida

Posted: 01/28/2007 8:11 PM

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Just an update on some of the current/ former prospects/minor leaguers in the Carribean...


                                      AVG  AB   R   H 2B 3B HR RBI  BB  SO  SB
Abreu, Tony, ... .242 33 3 8 0 1 0 2 4 9 0
Perez, Antonio, ... .200 15 1 3 0 0 0 1 3 4 1
Valdez, Wilson, ... .389 54 14 21 6 1 0 8 4 3 5
Guzman, Joel, ... .248 137 15 34 5 0 3 11 4 26 3
Kemp, Matt, ... .222 126 12 28 8 2 3 16 13 32 6
Ruan, Wilkin, ... .270 63 7 17 2 1 1 4 3 4 1
Abercrombie, Reggie, ... .191 141 30 27 5 4 5 17 7 37 7
Gil, Geronimo, C ... .284 225 34 64 6 0 13 41 23 31 0

Posted: 01/28/2007 11:18 PM

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PatrickTheDodgersFan wrote: Keith Law ranked the Dodgers as the 17th best farm system in baseball.


One of the ways of strengthening our minor league would be the commitment to signing quality Caribbean players.  Last summer there was an article on ESPN regarding the 13 top players from that region.  The Dodgers were not in on any when they signed.  I have read that the Dodgers look to returning to prominence in The Dominican.  That will take several years for those quality players to develop.  Today if we look a our top 30 prospects it is lacking Caribbean players on the top.  Only Tony Abreau is in the upper group.  I look for Dodgers this year to be competitive in that market.  We shall see.

Go Dodgers.

Posted: 01/29/2007 3:57 PM

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Although not Latin Hu is from the Pacific rim and a out of US signing. So we do have a few but not as many as we should and have been known for so I get your point. I to am one that hopes we start signing more Latin players. Also don't miss out on SS-Rivera, and SS-DeJesus. These guys are gonna clime fast. What ever happend to that SS we signed the year before we signed Rivera ? His name started with a Y I believe but never hear from him any more .

Posted: 01/29/2007 4:29 PM

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YOSANDDY GARCIA SS GCL 19 YEARS OLD

Posted: 01/29/2007 6:31 PM

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From Ken Gurnicks latest mailbag:

If they had to give up one of these two prospects, who would theDodgers give up in a trade for a proven power hitter, James Loney orMatt Kemp?
-- Alejandro C., Boyle Heights, Calif.

I can't speak forthe club, but if I had to bet, I'd bet it would be Kemp. Generally,when position prospects are the subject, power is the most preciouscommodity, and Kemp's seven home runs in his first 18 games gave aglimpse of what he's capable of. Loney also is the closest the Dodgershave to a five-tool player, someone who can handle all aspects of thegame -- from average and power to fielding and throwing and runningspeed. Loney appears to be the more polished hitter, and he looks morecomfortable at first base than Kemp does in the outfield. The fact thatmanager Grady Little compares Kemp to Chipper Jones is a clearindication of where he stands in the debate.

Can you tell me a little about Don Mattingly's son?
-- Jerry G., Huntington Park, Calif.

Preston Mattingly was the 31st player taken in the draft, which wasconsidered a bit of a reach, but Dodgers scouting director Logan Whiteliked Mattingly's make-up and athleticism and figured the player wouldbe gone by the time the Dodgers drafted again at No. 113. The knock onthe 19-year-old Mattingly, an effective right-handed hitter, is a lackof a defensive position. Mattingly played shortstop for the Dodgers'Gulf Coast League rookie team and hit .290 with one homer, 29 RBIs and12 steals in 47 games.


Posted: 01/29/2007 9:42 PM

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Loney also is the closest the Dodgers have to a five-tool player

I had to re-read this a couple times before realizing Gurnick made a typo and meant "Kemp."

Last edited 01/29/2007 9:49 PM by silverwidow

Posted: 01/30/2007 9:13 AM

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"SB High A:
C - A. Harper
1B - D. Sutherland
2B - ?
SS - I. DeJesus
3B - ?
OF - J. Hoffman
OF - T. Denker
OF - B. Hunt
SP - M. Arias (L)
SP - M. Alvarez (R)
SP - J. McDonald (L)
SP - C. Malone (R)
SP - J. Pratt (R)
RP - J. Jones (R)
RP - C. Wade (R)"

I live just a few miles from the 66ers and I'm excited to see these guys. Even more exciting is the prospect of when Kershaw and Mattingly arrive. Any guesses on a timeframe for that?

Posted: 01/30/2007 2:22 PM

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The Baseball Analysts website has a series of articles this week rating minor league pitchers using K/BF and GB%.

Todays article rates A- pitchers with 50+ innings.  Brent Leach made the NE quadrant. Marlon Arias and Jim McDonald made the SE quadrant.

A, AA & AAA will each have their own day during the rest of the week.

Posted: 01/30/2007 7:56 PM

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I have a question ive been wanting to ask on this Dodgers forum since i joined. Where can I find information on the Dodgers player Clayton Kershaw?

My cousin from San Antonio is telling me all these great things and id like to read about him if possible.

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