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Re: Dodgers/MLB Rumors, Trades etc. cont'd

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Posted: 07/31/2012 12:36 AM

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ThurstonFan wrote:
DodgerBlueWarrior wrote: The Dodgers are in a win now mode.  Though we like Landry and Bawcom, these guys would have never made it to the Dodgers.  This ownership is about building a championship team now.  They got several OF ahead of Landry and will get more in next years draft and in international signings.  In fact, LA drafted some guys this year that would have passed them.  Lets not forgot Puig who is not far away.  Then we got Van Slyke, Sands and Castellano in AAA then Joc Peterson and Blake Smith.  We won't even miss these guys.  We should be glad that they are on the same page of not wanting to trade away the top prospects.  Lets not forget that most pitchers pitch better when they come to LA.

Trust me on this.  League will get rejuvinated to be pitching in LA.  I know him personally.  He will be very happy to be pitching only a couple of hours drive from his home in San Diego and close to his wife and 3 girls.  He is a really cool easy going guy.  We get Victorino.  The guy is an animal.  He will fit in well w/ Matty since he plays hard.  Can't wait till tomorrow when I expect Victorino and Dempster to be in LA.
League has always had very good stuff, but his command has been really shaky this year.  He also has the lowest ground ball rate of his career.  If he can improve his command, he'll definitely be an upgrade over Lindblom/Guerra.

Nothing personal against League, I just don't like seeing the Dodgers trade for relievers.  They have a few guys in their farm system who could likely come up and contribute right now.

We'll be able to better evaluate the trade after 1 p.m. tomorrow.
I hear what everyone is saying.  League also has given up only 1 HR the entire year.  Would you rather have him or Wright, Tollenson, Guerra or even Belly right now?  Look at how valuable Choate has been, especially w/ Elbert out.  Look at how many blown hold and saves have been occurring lately.  Setup guys are really valuable these days.

I was hoping the Dodgers would try and pry Alex Liddi away from Seattle also since he can play both 1B/3B.

Last edited 07/31/2012 12:41 AM by DodgerBlueWarrior

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Posted: 07/31/2012 12:49 AM

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"League is 0-5 with a 3.63 ERA and nine saves in 46 games for the Mariners this season, but he's only one year removed from being an All-Star after converting 37 saves in 2011. The Dodgers gave up outfielder Leon Landry and pitcher Logan Bawcom in the deal, and Colletti said he thinks both have the ability to one day make the Majors.

"He's a veteran that has closed games before," Colletti said. "He has pitched at the end of games. He can help us anywhere from the seventh, eighth, ninth inning."

The 29-year-old reliever has a 2.70 ERA in his last 18 appearances, and Colletti isn't concerned about his struggles this year. League was involved in the no-hitter thrown against the Dodgers earlier this season.

Colletti added the Dodgers were interested in League this time last season and again during the winter, but the Mariners weren't willing to make a deal.

"We've watched him a lot," said Colletti, who orchestrated a trade for Hanley Ramirez and Randy Choate earlier this week.

Manager Don Mattingly was excited about the deal following Monday's 7-2 loss to the D-backs. He said he's not sure where League will fit into the bullpen with the team using Kenley Jansen and Ronald Belisario as its closer and setup man. However, he said League is the sort of pitcher opposing hitters don't want to see late in games.

"I've seen this cat in the American League, and he's dirty," Mattingly said. "He may be having trouble with lefties this year, but this guy is like [Belisario]. When he's getting the ball down, he's getting everybody out."

Mattingly went on to say he is familiar with League, and added the reliever is a good arm that is capable of throwing 96-97 mph. He pitched for Toronto from 2004-09 before joining the Mariners in 2010. He has a career record of 17-27 with a 3.69 ERA, 54 saves and 282 strikeouts in 349 games.

The Dodgers will announce a roster move to make room for League on Tuesday.

Colletti said he was done making moves for the night after pulling off Monday's trade. But with time still on the clock before Tuesday's Deadline, he didn't rule out another trade happening.

"Hopefully," Colletti said about the potential for a last-minute deal."
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Posted: 07/31/2012 12:55 AM

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This trade is definately a precursor for what is to come tomorrow. One of our relievers is likely trade bait; thus, League. Personally, this is not a key trade and don't think we gave up players that were destined to make an impact at the major league level.

The anticipation is killing me!
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Posted: 07/31/2012 1:23 AM

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I saw the the Pirates got Travis Snider for Lincoln.  I really wanted the Dodgers to trade for him.  He has legit power and could have been converted to 1B eventually.  Toronto also traded Eric Thames to Seattle.

I could see picking up a guy like Lyle Overbay for September when the rosters expand.  He would make a good bench player.  "Overbay, 35, posted a .292/.367/.448 batting line in 110 plate appearances this year. Manager Kirk Gibson made sure to limit Overbay's exposure to left-handed pitching..."

Last edited 07/31/2012 1:25 AM by DodgerBlueWarrior

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Posted: 07/31/2012 5:43 AM

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League certainly looks like a guy who would rather be surfing than striking hitters out...

I hope he does turn it around and throws well down the stretch for the Dodgers.  

Hopefully, this is the precursor to moving a RP for a hitter or SP.



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Posted: 07/31/2012 6:28 AM

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LongTimeBlue wrote:
You're not the GM and neither am I.  We're not running this team.  Guggenheim, Kasten and company is running the team. They handle money pretty good and they have scout's. reports and more resources than we do.  League could help us. and we did not pay a high price.  The majority of our prospects are trade assets.  Think about the percentage of minor leaguers who are going to make it.  It's not high. At this moment, we are playing for now.  I like the move.  It's a power arm for our bullpen.
So now nobody can express an opinion either because we don't run the team?  Speedy doesn't like the trade, so what?  It was just his opinion, he didn't even call Colletti an idiot in his post.noidea

League might help us, he also might not.  We didn't give up much I don't think, but I do think Landry will see some major league time and might have value.  Is it OK if I say I'm not a big fan of the trade?

Just the facts.

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Posted: 07/31/2012 6:54 AM

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I don't know how good Landry and Bawcam will be, I'll leave that up to the prospect gurus.

Brandon League is an interesting pitcher because of his severe splits.  Really, he is a Roogy, or should be. 

This year left handed batters have hit League for a 337/400/381/740 clip while right handed batters have gone 224/305/219/490.  His career splits are also dramatic but not quite as dramatic as this year.

If Mattingly uses him properly he could very well be successful.  Don't bring him in when the opposition left handed hitters are coming up or the expected pinch hitters that are available are lefties.  Let him do his thing in the seventh or eigth inning against right handers.  One of his failures as closer was that he always faced whoever was coming up in the ninth and any lefty pinch hitter that was available, setting him up for failure.

This trade has to be setting up another deal where Lindblom gets moved, probably to Philadelphia as part of deal for Victorino.

Posted: 07/31/2012 6:59 AM

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Slightly off-topic, but I saw your namesake and former Dodgers superprospect Joey "Ballgame" Thurston play last weekend.  He was signed by the York Revolution in the Atlantic League which is the town where I grew up.  They were playing in Camden, NJ against the Riversharks.
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Posted: 07/31/2012 7:02 AM

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jtrichey wrote:
LongTimeBlue wrote:
You're not the GM and neither am I.  We're not running this team.  Guggenheim, Kasten and company is running the team. They handle money pretty good and they have scout's. reports and more resources than we do.  League could help us. and we did not pay a high price.  The majority of our prospects are trade assets.  Think about the percentage of minor leaguers who are going to make it.  It's not high. At this moment, we are playing for now.  I like the move.  It's a power arm for our bullpen.
So now nobody can express an opinion either because we don't run the team?  Speedy doesn't like the trade, so what?  It was just his opinion, he didn't even call Colletti an idiot in his post.noidea

League might help us, he also might not.  We didn't give up much I don't think, but I do think Landry will see some major league time and might have value.  Is it OK if I say I'm not a big fan of the trade?
I didn't say he called Colletti an idiot,  Did you see me accuse him of it.  It's the over valuing of the kids.  Landry and Bawcom is to much? Come on! Also, did i say he couldn't express his opinion?  Did i tell him to shut up?  I don't think so!  He has a right to his opinion and i have a right to dispute it.  that's what this forum is for.  I've disagree with Speedy in the pass.  So what!  No harm no foul. You want to dis;ike the trade, go ahead.  Just be prepared to face poster who disagree you.  THAT'S WHAT THIS BOARD IS FOR!  Grow a thick skin.  And i just heard on ESPN that we are on the verge of trading for Shane Victorino for Josh Lindblom and one other.   Or maybe two.
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Posted: 07/31/2012 7:04 AM

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PWReese wrote: I don't know how good Landry and Bawcam will be, I'll leave that up to the prospect gurus.

Brandon League is an interesting pitcher because of his severe splits.  Really, he is a Roogy, or should be. 

This year left handed batters have hit League for a 337/400/381/740 clip while right handed batters have gone 224/305/219/490.  His career splits are also dramatic but not quite as dramatic as this year.

If Mattingly uses him properly he could very well be successful.  Don't bring him in when the opposition left handed hitters are coming up or the expected pinch hitters that are available are lefties.  Let him do his thing in the seventh or eigth inning against right handers.  One of his failures as closer was that he always faced whoever was coming up in the ninth and any lefty pinch hitter that was available, setting him up for failure.

This trade has to be setting up another deal where Lindblom gets moved, probably to Philadelphia as part of deal for Victorino.
Seems as if this deal was the super set up deal - the Dodgers acquired League who is close with Shane Victorino and the deal frees up a reliever to be dealt for Victorino, whom the Dodgers are supposedly close to acquiring for Lindblom and a prospect.

 

 

 

 

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Posted: 07/31/2012 7:05 AM

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Mlbtraderumors is reporting (Heyman) that a Dodger trade for Victorino is becoming very likely.  ESPN's Jason Stark is saying that the Dodgers are close to acquiring Victorino for Lindblom and a second player.

This deal will go down shortly, imo.  I have felt all along that Colletti wanted a lead off man badly and that is where Victorino will fit.  Just the increase in defensive value makes this deal a big plus for the Dodgers.

Posted: 07/31/2012 7:08 AM

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I wish we could get offseason arby compensation for these guys. That would make me like these moves so much more.

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Posted: 07/31/2012 7:10 AM

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roncey10 wrote: League certainly looks like a guy who would rather be surfing than striking hitters out...

I hope he does turn it around and throws well down the stretch for the Dodgers.  

Hopefully, this is the precursor to moving a RP for a hitter or SP.
That's because we are all from Hawaii and he does surf even where he lives now in San Diego.  It's one of the reasons he now lives in San Diego during the off-season.

Getting him is a precursor to getting Victorino as I mentioned.  This is going to be a reunion to two really good friends.

I think this new Dodger regime know what they are doing probably better than we think.  They have been scouting the guys they are after for months now.  As I mentioned, they knew exactly what to do to adjust HanRam's stance which was to open it up by Analyzing the difference between this year and 2009 when he hit 0.343 BA.  When you analyze the lineup, it looks solid:

1. Victorino LF
2. Ellis 2B
3. Kemp CF
4. Ethier RF
5. Ramirez 3B
6. Rivera/Loney 1B
7. Cruz SS
8. Ellis C

Last edited 07/31/2012 7:20 AM by DodgerBlueWarrior

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Posted: 07/31/2012 7:11 AM

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I will be dissapointed if we do not aquire Dempster or address our SP need. Looks like the Rangers and Yankme's are going hard after Dempster now and he has said he would go to any of the three teams.
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Posted: 07/31/2012 7:13 AM

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DodgerBlueWarrior wrote:
roncey10 wrote: League certainly looks like a guy who would rather be surfing than striking hitters out...

I hope he does turn it around and throws well down the stretch for the Dodgers.  

Hopefully, this is the precursor to moving a RP for a hitter or SP.
That's because we are all from Hawaii and he does surf even where he lives now in San Diego.  It's one of the reasons he now lives in San Diego during the off-season.

Getting him is a precursor to getting Victorino as I mentioned.  This is going to be a reunion to two really good friends.
Not that chemistry was bad, but if we team Dempster with Lilly and Victorino/League, plus Hanley seems to be a happy camper and blending well with the team, maybe it could be a special year...

You still live in Hawaii?



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Posted: 07/31/2012 7:14 AM

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jtrichey wrote:
LongTimeBlue wrote:
You're not the GM and neither am I.  We're not running this team.  Guggenheim, Kasten and company is running the team. They handle money pretty good and they have scout's. reports and more resources than we do.  League could help us. and we did not pay a high price.  The majority of our prospects are trade assets.  Think about the percentage of minor leaguers who are going to make it.  It's not high. At this moment, we are playing for now.  I like the move.  It's a power arm for our bullpen.
So now nobody can express an opinion either because we don't run the team?  Speedy doesn't like the trade, so what?  It was just his opinion, he didn't even call Colletti an idiot in his post.noidea

League might help us, he also might not.  We didn't give up much I don't think, but I do think Landry will see some major league time and might have value.  Is it OK if I say I'm not a big fan of the trade?
That is exactly the purpose of the message board.  To vent, share thoughts, opinions, etc.  I do not know the two prospects well enough to fairly evaluate what we gave up.  However, I do have my opinion of League, which is grounded in observations and Major League stats/trends...



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Posted: 07/31/2012 7:17 AM

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Getting Victorino really puts the Cubs in a hard place.  They were hoping they could foist Soriano on us.  Now that we've found our bat.  They have to trade straight up for Dempster.  Their return for Dempster isn't going to be the haul they wanted it to be.
Happiness aint nothing more than having something to look forward to. ( Robert Duval - A Family Thing )

Posted: 07/31/2012 7:17 AM

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PWReese wrote: Mlbtraderumors is reporting (Heyman) that a Dodger trade for Victorino is becoming very likely.  ESPN's Jason Stark is saying that the Dodgers are close to acquiring Victorino for Lindblom and a second player.

This deal will go down shortly, imo.  I have felt all along that Colletti wanted a lead off man badly and that is where Victorino will fit.  Just the increase in defensive value makes this deal a big plus for the Dodgers.
PW, in your opinion, would Victorino play CF and push Kemp to LF or would Victorino play LF?

I like this lineup:

CF/LF Victorino
2B M. Ellis
LF/CF Kemp
RF Ethier
3B Ramirez
1B Rivera/Loney platoon
SS Cruz
C AJ Ellis

BTW, when Gordon is elible to return, I would still play Cruz.  His hitting and defense need to be in the lineup.  Let Gordon be an occasional starter to get M. Ellis/Cruz some rest.  He'd be a superb late inning pinch runner, as well.

Last edited 07/31/2012 7:22 AM by wolfmac

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Posted: 07/31/2012 7:22 AM

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LongTimeBlue wrote: Getting Victorino really puts the Cubs in a hard place.  They were hoping they could foist Soriano on us.  Now that we've found our bat.  They have to trade straight up for Dempster.  Their return for Dempster isn't going to be the haul they wanted it to be.

So you think the Rangers and Yankme's going after Dempster is just a smoke screen?
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Posted: 07/31/2012 7:23 AM

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wolfmac wrote:
PWReese wrote: Mlbtraderumors is reporting (Heyman) that a Dodger trade for Victorino is becoming very likely.  ESPN's Jason Stark is saying that the Dodgers are close to acquiring Victorino for Lindblom and a second player.

This deal will go down shortly, imo.  I have felt all along that Colletti wanted a lead off man badly and that is where Victorino will fit.  Just the increase in defensive value makes this deal a big plus for the Dodgers.
PW, in your opinion, would Victorino play CF and push Kemp to LF or would Victorino play LF?
Kemp should stay in center.  Victorino can play left.
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