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Posted: 06/30/2012 5:55 PM

RE: Dodgers/MLB Rumors, Trades, Etc. 


Posted: 06/30/2012 5:55 PM

RE: Dodgers/MLB Rumors, Trades, Etc. 


Reading away prospects is OK if you get value in return Lowrie or CLee are not worth much...
CLee can be had for just $$ if Dodgers want him and vice versa..Gould is only there to lessen the $
Zack Lee being involved with Lowrie is total BS...JLowrie..is NOT a top player..
You trade ZLee only for a top allstar player..
those rumors are ridiculous..
If you want 3b with pop you suck it up for a yr...stickwith Uribe & trade............Withrow,Emartin,Webster.AMiiler.. . etc plus another prospect   for Texas MIke Olt...that solves 3b.
that is a good use of prospects..giving up quality to get quality.
We don't want to do Blake/Santana &  Jmac  mistake..over again...

Posted: 06/30/2012 6:06 PM

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LongTimeBlue wrote:
ThurstonFan wrote:
LongTimeBlue wrote:

There is too much prospect love going on here.  This Gould kid is a small price for a hitter like  Carlos Lee.  We have plenty of pitching in the minor ranks. Too think that Lee isn't worth a minor league pitcher is just blind, unrealistic hoarding of youth.  Z Lee, Withrow, De La Rosa, Reed, Eovaldi and we can't do without Gould?  There is too much micro-GMing going on.  The Dodgers need a bat and Lee would be a good one to go along with Ethier and Kemp.  He could provide protection for kemp in the 5 slot in the line up.  Ned, Make the deal! 

Huh?  Please elaborate.

The Dodgers need a hitter who has put up a .295/.315/.352 line on the road and is a horrible defender?  The Dodgers need a light hitting 1B who rarely gets on base and has no power?

No one here is against trading prospects - even top prospects.  What's important is the value that you are getting in return for the prospects.  You don't trade top prospects for middle relievers and washed up veteran hitters....well Ned does.

If Ned is going to make a trade, he should at least look to acquire players who will actually be an upgrade.

WHO ARE YOU KIDDING?  That's the biggest lie since the Devil learned to talk Half this board goes on the rag when we trade away a minor leaguer.  There was a run on Midol when we traded away Travis Denker.  Trade away a prospect and there is going to be a lot of crying.
Reading comprehension is important.  No one is against trading prospects if the Dodgers are getting value in return.  The problem is that Ned Colletti continues to get ripped off in trades.  He trades valuable young players for garbage veterans.
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Posted: 06/30/2012 6:09 PM

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Hmmmm........ Colletti ex Giant, I think he is still on THEIR payroll!mad
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Posted: 06/30/2012 6:14 PM

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ThurstonFan wrote:
LongTimeBlue wrote:
ThurstonFan wrote:
LongTimeBlue wrote:

There is too much prospect love going on here.  This Gould kid is a small price for a hitter like  Carlos Lee.  We have plenty of pitching in the minor ranks. Too think that Lee isn't worth a minor league pitcher is just blind, unrealistic hoarding of youth.  Z Lee, Withrow, De La Rosa, Reed, Eovaldi and we can't do without Gould?  There is too much micro-GMing going on.  The Dodgers need a bat and Lee would be a good one to go along with Ethier and Kemp.  He could provide protection for kemp in the 5 slot in the line up.  Ned, Make the deal!

Huh?  Please elaborate.

The Dodgers need a hitter who has put up a .295/.315/.352 line on the road and is a horrible defender?  The Dodgers need a light hitting 1B who rarely gets on base and has no power?

No one here is against trading prospects - even top prospects. What's important is the value that you are getting in return for the prospects.  You don't trade top prospects for middle relievers and washed up veteran hitters....well Ned does.

If Ned is going to make a trade, he should at least look to acquire players who will actually be an upgrade.

WHO ARE YOU KIDDING?  That's the biggest lie since the Devil learned to talk Half this board goes on the rag when we trade away a minor leaguer.  There was a run on Midol when we traded away Travis Denker.  Trade away a prospect and there is going to be a lot of crying.
Reading comprehension is important.  No one is against trading prospects if the Dodgers are getting value in return.  The problem is that Ned Colletti continues to get ripped off in trades.  He trades valuable young players for garbage veterans.
Winner.

Posted: 06/30/2012 6:27 PM

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Lee is an inferior prospect in comparison to Olt. I am not a big fan of throwing away the farm for mediocre players, but this is one example of how our expectations can be a bit unrealistic. I mean no disrespect colo, just calling it how I see it.

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Reading away prospects is OK if you get value in return Lowrie or CLee are not worth much...
CLee can be had for just $$ if Dodgers want him and vice versa..Gould is only there to lessen the $
Zack Lee being involved with Lowrie is total BS...JLowrie..is NOT a top player..
You trade ZLee only for a top allstar player..
those rumors are ridiculous..
If you want 3b with pop you suck it up for a yr...stickwith Uribe & trade............Withrow,Emartin,Webster.AMiiler.. . etc plus another prospect   for Texas MIke Olt...that solves 3b.
that is a good use of prospects..giving up quality to get quality.
We don't want to do Blake/Santana &  Jmac  mistake..over again...

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Posted: 06/30/2012 6:37 PM

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Olt is going to land the Rangers Cole Hamels.  We probably don't have any prospect that could land him.

I really have no problem trading any of our prospects except Lee, Webster and Reed.  If any of those three are in a deal then the Dodgers should be getting back a young player with solid skills, not some washed up veteran.

I wonder if Gould would have landed the Dodgers Youkilis?  I suspect the Red Sox did Youkilis a favor and moved him to a team he wanted to go to.

We could be pretty far out of first by the time the trade deadline rolls around.
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Posted: 06/30/2012 6:38 PM

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The chances of the Phillies trading Shane Victorino may be greater than the chances of them trading Cole Hamels. The DodgersReds, and possibly the Yankees could be fits for the outfielder, who originally asked Philadelphia for a five-year extension. They're unwilling to give him a contract that long.

Posted: 06/30/2012 6:45 PM

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ThurstonFan wrote:
LongTimeBlue wrote:
ThurstonFan wrote:
LongTimeBlue wrote:

There is too much prospect love going on here.  This Gould kid is a small price for a hitter like  Carlos Lee.  We have plenty of pitching in the minor ranks. Too think that Lee isn't worth a minor league pitcher is just blind, unrealistic hoarding of youth.  Z Lee, Withrow, De La Rosa, Reed, Eovaldi and we can't do without Gould?  There is too much micro-GMing going on.  The Dodgers need a bat and Lee would be a good one to go along with Ethier and Kemp.  He could provide protection for kemp in the 5 slot in the line up.  Ned, Make the deal! 

Huh?  Please elaborate.

The Dodgers need a hitter who has put up a .295/.315/.352 line on the road and is a horrible defender?  The Dodgers need a light hitting 1B who rarely gets on base and has no power?

No one here is against trading prospects - even top prospects.  What's important is the value that you are getting in return for the prospects.  You don't trade top prospects for middle relievers and washed up veteran hitters....well Ned does.

If Ned is going to make a trade, he should at least look to acquire players who will actually be an upgrade.

WHO ARE YOU KIDDING?  That's the biggest lie since the Devil learned to talk Half this board goes on the rag when we trade away a minor leaguer.  There was a run on Midol when we traded away Travis Denker.  Trade away a prospect and there is going to be a lot of crying.
Reading comprehension is important.  No one is against trading prospects if the Dodgers are getting value in return.  The problem is that Ned Colletti continues to get ripped off in trades.  He trades valuable young players for garbage veterans
thank you, a lot of people on this board make generalizations or take things the completely wrong way.

I would have no problem moving Zach Lee if we got a young promising hitter in return. It's all about what you get in return. That's the reason people don't complain about trading Santana as much as JMac(although people still complain it's mostly because McCourt didn't pick up Blakes salary and chose to gave up Santana instead).

Trading prospects is fine but trading them for moves that barely improve us is crazy. Especially when we could get Carlos Lee for something far less. Shoot the White Sox gave up far less for Youkilis. Why weren't we in on him? We could of realistically got Youkilis for John Ely and Ivan Dejesus.
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Posted: 06/30/2012 7:00 PM

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PWReese wrote: Olt is going to land the Rangers Cole Hamels.  We probably don't have any prospect that could land him.

I really have no problem trading any of our prospects except Lee, Webster and Reed.  If any of those three are in a deal then the Dodgers should be getting back a young player with solid skills, not some washed up veteran.

I wonder if Gould would have landed the Dodgers Youkilis?  I suspect the Red Sox did Youkilis a favor and moved him to a team he wanted to go to.

We could be pretty far out of first by the time the trade deadline rolls around.
This team better not miss out on Hamels! This was the # 1 Priority was it not?
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Posted: 06/30/2012 7:29 PM

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I think some of us are upset at what we expect Gould to become in a couple of years and not what he is today.  That is when we should be trading guys like that when they are near MLB ready.  This trade wreaks of Ned Colletti.

Let's hope that Carlos Lee sees Mattingley's quoate below and rejects the Dodgers offer which it sounds like they offered him $$$ to accept the trade which would make it even more stupid.  As noted below, the Dodgers are offering to pay most of Lee's salary + give him extra $$$ + Gould, former 2nd round pick.  The Dodgers can afford to loose him but that is a steep overpay.  I still say why bother.  Lee will not make much difference on this team.  The Dodgers should wait until the third week in July just before the trade deadline and see where the team is at.  If the team continues to sink, become sellers, play more young players and look forward to the off-season when things can be fixed.  Given the price of Carlos Lee, imagine what the Dodgers could get if they became sellers.

"As for Lee, Buster Olney of ESPN reported the (former) slugger doesn't want to waive his no trade clause, but that doesn't necessarily mean he won't waive it. Ken Rosenthal and Jon Morosi reported that the Dodgers are still waiting from a decision from Lee, and that Garrett Gould would be traded to Houston in the deal. ESPN's Jayson Stark says the Dodgers would be paying "a significant portion" of Lee's remaining salary.

Manager Don Mattingly couldn't address Lee specifically since that would technically be tampering, which is against MLB rules. But when asked about a player potentially not wanting to waive a no-trade clause to come to the Dodgers, Mattingly was blunt.

"If they don't want to be here, I don't want them here," he said.

Mattingly did say he has heard Lee's name in rumors, and that a trade or two is something that has been discussed.

"We have to realistically look at the production we're getting and how do we improve that? We'll try to improve our club any way we can," Mattingly said. "To us to get where we want to go, we have to get better."

http://www.truebluela.com/

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Posted: 06/30/2012 8:29 PM

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Right now, the Dodgers should be looking to trade for a first baseman of the future because the guys who will be free agents after this year are nothing we want on the Dodgers unless we would be happy w/ a one year stop gap like Carlos Pena or Casey Kotchman.

Neftali Soto is the guy I'd target because he is blocked by Votto, is playing well in AAA and could start now for the Dodgers.  CJ Cron is a better player to trade for if the stop gap approach is taken.  He is being blocked by Albert Pulhols and others at 1B/DH.

The Astros are dying to get rid of Lee.  They got one of the best 1B prospect Singleton waiting in the wings.  They would be ecstatic to get Gould.
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Posted: 06/30/2012 8:39 PM

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probotic wrote: I don't mind the Carlos Lee trade attempt, assuming it was one of 2 or 3 trades we plan on making. Youkilis would have cost more than Gould and so would LaHair. RedSox and Cubs want talent in return vs salary relief, which we found with Astros.

I'd love Lee and Headley or LaHair and Headley, but Lee alone I don't think that was the idea for our offensive upgrade this year.
Perhaps if we ate the Youkilis contract like we are eating Carlos Lee's, Gould should have netted us Youk considering the millions the Red Sox including in that deal also has trade value.  

I think Gould and $6 or $7 million equals Stewart and a journeyman utility guy.  Heck we could have tossed in Kennedy or Hairston for Youkilis too...



Posted: 06/30/2012 9:06 PM

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The Dodgers are giving up Gould and paying a significant amount of Lee's salary in the proposed deal? Yeah; that makes sense in Colletiville

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I think some of us are upset at what we expect Gould to become in a couple of years and not what he is today.  That is when we should be trading guys like that when they are near MLB ready.  This trade wreaks of Ned Colletti.

Let's hope that Carlos Lee sees Mattingley's quoate below and rejects the Dodgers offer which it sounds like they offered him $$$ to accept the trade which would make it even more stupid.  As noted below, the Dodgers are offering to pay most of Lee's salary + give him extra $$$ + Gould, former 2nd round pick.  The Dodgers can afford to loose him but that is a steep overpay.  I still say why bother.  Lee will not make much difference on this team.  The Dodgers should wait until the third week in July just before the trade deadline and see where the team is at.  If the team continues to sink, become sellers, play more young players and look forward to the off-season when things can be fixed.  Given the price of Carlos Lee, imagine what the Dodgers could get if they became sellers.



"As for Lee, Buster Olney of ESPN reported the (former) slugger doesn't want to waive his no trade clause, but that doesn't necessarily mean he won't waive it. Ken Rosenthal and Jon Morosi reported that the Dodgers are still waiting from a decision from Lee, and that Garrett Gould would be traded to Houston in the deal. ESPN's Jayson Stark says the Dodgers would be paying "a significant portion" of Lee's remaining salary.



Manager Don Mattingly couldn't address Lee specifically since that would technically be tampering, which is against MLB rules. But when asked about a player potentially not wanting to waive a no-trade clause to come to the Dodgers, Mattingly was blunt.



"If they don't want to be here, I don't want them here," he said.



Mattingly did say he has heard Lee's name in rumors, and that a trade or two is something that has been discussed.

"We have to realistically look at the production we're getting and how do we improve that? We'll try to improve our club any way we can," Mattingly said. "To us to get where we want to go, we have to get better."

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Posted: 06/30/2012 9:06 PM

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Dodgfan wrote: Unfortunately, our opinions/evaluations have little to do with it, market conditions dictates the value of these players; i.e. while Hamels and Greinke are rumored to become available, the demand for either is likely to be negatively affected, in terms of the Dodgers' position. This is likely to be the opposite in the case of Chase Headley, for obvious reasons.
Once again Colletti shows know foresight.  When the Dodgers were playing over their heads, the offense was still well below average in reality, just not in current performance.  Dodgers still had several offensive holes.  

Now after getting shutout for a week GMs know Colletti is desperate, you never deal from a position of desperation in any aspect of life or business.  You get taken to the woodshed...



Last edited 06/30/2012 9:07 PM by roncey10

Posted: 06/30/2012 9:43 PM

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I agree. We are in a terrible position. Any decent player is likely to cost our best prospect(s).

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Dodgfan wrote: Unfortunately, our opinions/evaluations have little to do with it, market conditions dictates the value of these players; i.e. while Hamels and Greinke are rumored to become available, the demand for either is likely to be negatively affected, in terms of the Dodgers' position. This is likely to be the opposite in the case of Chase Headley, for obvious reasons.
Once again Colletti shows know foresight.  When the Dodgers were playing over their heads, the offense was still well below average in reality, just not in current performance.  Dodgers still had several offensive holes.  

Now after getting shutout for a week GMs know Colletti is desperate, you never deal from a position of desperation in any aspect of life or business.  You get taken to the woodshed...

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Posted: 06/30/2012 10:17 PM

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"Carlos Lee said after Saturday's game that he'd like to have a decision by Sunday on whether or not to waive his no-trade clause and accept a deal to the Dodgers.
The trade has already been agreed upon, pending Lee's acceptance. The Dodgers would reportedly take on all of Lee's remaining salary for 2012 and send back minor league right-hander Garrett Gould. Though Lee has told the Astros previously that he would not waive his no-trade clause, the fact that he's taking another day to mull it over gives some hope to the deal getting completed."

http://www.rotoworld.com/playe...ayer-news/?rw=1

What is heck is wrong w/ this kind of thinking?  The Dodgers should be sending over Stephen Fife instead.

Last edited 06/30/2012 10:19 PM by DodgerBlueWarrior

Posted: 06/30/2012 10:26 PM

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Totally agree, I hope that this report is false. The only way this makes sense is in a greater deal with Jed Lowrie, minus Zack Lee of course.

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"Carlos Lee said after Saturday's game that he'd like to have a decision by Sunday on whether or not to waive his no-trade clause and accept a deal to the Dodgers.
The trade has already been agreed upon, pending Lee's acceptance. The Dodgers would reportedly take on all of Lee's remaining salary for 2012 and send back minor league right-hander Garrett Gould. Though Lee has told the Astros previously that he would not waive his no-trade clause, the fact that he's taking another day to mull it over gives some hope to the deal getting completed."

www.rotoworld.com/playe...ayer-news/?rw=1

What is heck is wrong w/ this kind of thinking?  The Dodgers should be sending over Stephen Fife instead.


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Posted: 06/30/2012 11:25 PM

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ThurstonFan wrote:
LongTimeBlue wrote:
ThurstonFan wrote:
LongTimeBlue wrote:

There is too much prospect love going on here.  This Gould kid is a small price for a hitter like  Carlos Lee.  We have plenty of pitching in the minor ranks. Too think that Lee isn't worth a minor league pitcher is just blind, unrealistic hoarding of youth.  Z Lee, Withrow, De La Rosa, Reed, Eovaldi and we can't do without Gould?  There is too much micro-GMing going on.  The Dodgers need a bat and Lee would be a good one to go along with Ethier and Kemp.  He could provide protection for kemp in the 5 slot in the line up.  Ned, Make the deal! 

Huh?  Please elaborate.

The Dodgers need a hitter who has put up a .295/.315/.352 line on the road and is a horrible defender?  The Dodgers need a light hitting 1B who rarely gets on base and has no power?

No one here is against trading prospects - even top prospects.  What's important is the value that you are getting in return for the prospects.  You don't trade top prospects for middle relievers and washed up veteran hitters....well Ned does.

If Ned is going to make a trade, he should at least look to acquire players who will actually be an upgrade.

WHO ARE YOU KIDDING?  That's the biggest lie since the Devil learned to talk Half this board goes on the rag when we trade away a minor leaguer.  There was a run on Midol when we traded away Travis Denker.  Trade away a that prospect and there is going to be a lot of crying.
Reading comprehension is important.  No one is against trading prospects if the Dodgers are getting value in return.  The problem is that Ned Colletti continues to get ripped off in trades.  He trades valuable young players for garbage veterans.
 That's just your evaluation of things.  Especially when you put so much value on a player like Gould to say he's more valuable than a veteran hitter like Lee.   This is an opinion board, not a tribunal board.  You talk as if Ned is this transparent incompetent and you say that it's obvious everyone sees that so why don't I?  But
that isn't the case.  It's just the consensus of the anti-Ned brood that chooses to believe that it's an accepted fact just so they feel they are in the majority.  But, let me tell you.  If Ned makes that trade, and we end up with Carlos Lee, Stan Kasten was on board with it.  There is no way that deal is going to take place without Kasten's blessing.
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Posted: 07/01/2012 6:27 AM

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LongTimeBlue wrote:
ThurstonFan wrote:
LongTimeBlue wrote:
ThurstonFan wrote:
LongTimeBlue wrote:

There is too much prospect love going on here.  This Gould kid is a small price for a hitter like  Carlos Lee.  We have plenty of pitching in the minor ranks. Too think that Lee isn't worth a minor league pitcher is just blind, unrealistic hoarding of youth.  Z Lee, Withrow, De La Rosa, Reed, Eovaldi and we can't do without Gould?  There is too much micro-GMing going on.  The Dodgers need a bat and Lee would be a good one to go along with Ethier and Kemp.  He could provide protection for kemp in the 5 slot in the line up.  Ned, Make the deal! 

Huh?  Please elaborate.

The Dodgers need a hitter who has put up a .295/.315/.352 line on the road and is a horrible defender?  The Dodgers need a light hitting 1B who rarely gets on base and has no power?

No one here is against trading prospects - even top prospects.  What's important is the value that you are getting in return for the prospects.  You don't trade top prospects for middle relievers and washed up veteran hitters....well Ned does.

If Ned is going to make a trade, he should at least look to acquire players who will actually be an upgrade.

WHO ARE YOU KIDDING?  That's the biggest lie since the Devil learned to talk Half this board goes on the rag when we trade away a minor leaguer.  There was a run on Midol when we traded away Travis Denker.  Trade away a that prospect and there is going to be a lot of crying.
Reading comprehension is important.  No one is against trading prospects if the Dodgers are getting value in return.  The problem is that Ned Colletti continues to get ripped off in trades.  He trades valuable young players for garbage veterans.
 That's just your evaluation of things.  Especially when you put so much value on a player like Gould to say he's more valuable than a veteran hitter like Lee.   This is an opinion board, not a tribunal board.  You talk as if Ned is this transparent incompetent and you say that it's obvious everyone sees that so why don't I?  But
that isn't the case.  It's just the consensus of the anti-Ned brood that chooses to believe that it's an accepted fact just so they feel they are in the majority.  But, let me tell you.  If Ned makes that trade, and we end up with Carlos Lee, Stan Kasten was on board with it.  There is no way that deal is going to take place without Kasten's blessing.
It is about asset allocation.  Most Major League GMs, (not Ned Colletti) would allocate negative trade value to Carlos Lee as a defensive liability, no foot speed, declining power, putrid offensive numbers on the road, a guy you have to beg to leave a losing organization for a contending team and someone that you have to pay like a "SUPERSTAR." 

The fact that Colletti has to burn a decent asset in Gould and pay Lee's contract is frankly beyond belief!  A terrible allocation of both financial assets and trade chip assets.  You have a finite number of trade chips and to burn one on Lee is silly.  

Is Carlos Lee better than what the Dodgers have?  Of course, their offense right now is historically abysmal.  Is Carlos Lee more than a Bobby Abreu roll player in July 2012, nope!



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