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July 31 trade deadline guess....!

Posted: 07/20/2014 10:35 AM

July 31 trade deadline guess....! 


We might as well have some fun to see who can guess what Colletti does...
1.We do some thing.(Y).or nothing (N)...Y/N
2. We trade an OF.......Y/N
2a...OF traded is Ethier, kemp or Crawford 
3. We trade/get an addtl SP..Y?N
3a. We trade for Price/Lee or Hammels..
4. We get addtl SU to help Bully...Y/N
5. We trade away/dfa maholm or Perez...Y/N
6. We bring up CReed by Aug 1st...Y/N
7. We trade away one of big 3..Joc/Urias/Seager...Y/N

OK....
That is enough....
my answers..
1.Y..we do something
2. Y..
2a..Ethier
3.N
3a...no Lee,Price or hammels or big gun
4. Y..we get addtl SU
5..Y..we trade Maholm
6..No..Reed to obvious, maybe august if haren, beckett is hurt
7..No


There ya go....be colletti for a day...lets see who can guess the best?

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Posted: 07/21/2014 12:28 AM

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1.We do some thing.(Y).or nothing (N)...Y/N
2. We trade an OF.......Y/N
2a...OF traded is Ethier, kemp or Crawford 
3. We trade/get an addtl SP..Y?N
3a. We trade for Price/Lee or Hammels..
4. We get addtl SU to help Bully...Y/N
5. We trade away/dfa maholm or Perez...Y/N
6. We bring up CReed by Aug 1st...Y/N
7. We trade away one of big 3..Joc/Urias/Seager...Y/N

1. Y
2. Y
2a. Kemp
3. Y
3a. N
4. Y
5. Y. Not sure about trade or dfa
6. N. More like in September
7. N
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Posted: 07/21/2014 9:00 AM

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I'm sure we'll do something, but I don't like what I hear. Just read Jim Bowden suggesting Urias and Pederson for Hamels. No freaking thanks. Nor do I want to give up even more for Price. I'd love to see us shed Kemp and Ethier or Crawford (understanding we'll eat tons of contract). Put Pederson CF; Puig in RF; SVS and Crawford or Ethier platooning in left while van Slyke tries to get more consistent against RHP. Pederson may struggle at the plate, but he'll still be good defensively and still be fast.

I'll take our chances to win it all this year being predicated on Kersh and Greinke both going on a roll, with some manufactured runs from Gordon and some timely hitting from Uribe. I'd also sit Hanley until he is healthy. If he can get his hit on in September it would be huge for a post season push.

I just hope Ned doesn't go crazy though. I'm sure the pressure is on given the payroll, but the youngsters are the key to building a team that is in the mix every year. And as good as Kershaw, Greinke, Price sounds we'll still have to score a few runs (facing better pitching in the post season), so it hardly guarantees a parade in LA.
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Posted: 07/23/2014 8:07 PM

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Ned, get freaking busy!!! This team as is will be a first round bust!!!redfaceredfaceredface
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Posted: 07/24/2014 9:23 AM

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colobrowns wrote: We might as well have some fun to see who can guess what Colletti does...
1.We do some thing.(Y).or nothing (N)...Y/N
2. We trade an OF.......Y/N
2a...OF traded is Ethier, kemp or Crawford 
3. We trade/get an addtl SP..Y?N
3a. We trade for Price/Lee or Hammels..
4. We get addtl SU to help Bully...Y/N
5. We trade away/dfa maholm or Perez...Y/N
6. We bring up CReed by Aug 1st...Y/N
7. We trade away one of big 3..Joc/Urias/Seager...Y/N

OK....
That is enough....
my answers..
1.Y..we do something
2. Y..
2a..Ethier
3.N
3a...no Lee,Price or hammels or big gun
4. Y..we get addtl SU
5..Y..we trade Maholm
6..No..Reed to obvious, maybe august if haren, beckett is hurt
7..No


There ya go....be colletti for a day...lets see who can guess the best?
1. Y
2. Y (can't be sure with Colletti)
2a. Kemp (he is now being shopped)
3. Y (see #2 above)
4. Y (but with Colletti, it may be a worn out veteran with previous TJ surgery)
5. Y (both, I hope)
6. N
7. N (see #2 above)

That was kind of fun. Thanks, Colo.
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Posted: 07/24/2014 5:55 PM

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My final prediction:

Dodgers get Uehara and Lester from Boston
Boston gets kemp, Joc and about 25m

Dodgers then send Guerrero and C Anderson to Marlins for CF Ozuna and RP Dunn

Rotation, bull pen and CF all squared away, Kemp payroll cleared...so we have more money to sign a starter next year, and OZuna and Dunn controllable.
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Posted: 07/26/2014 12:15 PM

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Quest2b1 wrote: My final prediction:

Dodgers get Uehara and Lester from Boston
Boston gets kemp, Joc and about 25m

Dodgers then send Guerrero and C Anderson to Marlins for CF Ozuna and RP Dunn

Rotation, bull pen and CF all squared away, Kemp payroll cleared...so we have more money to sign a starter next year, and OZuna and Dunn controllable.
I was just thinking that same Boston scenario, although I think Ned will try to not include Joc in the deal.

Now, the Marlins scenario is a little more difficult, I think.
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Posted: 07/26/2014 7:49 PM

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Quest2b1 wrote: My final prediction:

Dodgers get Uehara and Lester from Boston
Boston gets kemp, Joc and about 25m

Dodgers then send Guerrero and C Anderson to Marlins for CF Ozuna and RP Dunn

Rotation, bull pen and CF all squared away, Kemp payroll cleared...so we have more money to sign a starter next year, and OZuna and Dunn controllable.

It's going to take a lot more than that to get an elite starter and who is likely the best closer in the game (top 5 at worst). 

And the Red Sox wouldn't take Kemp for free (even if the Dodger eat 25M), let alone trade their best starter and their best reliever.

Sorry.
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Posted: 07/27/2014 7:47 AM

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beantownkid10 wrote:
Quest2b1 wrote: My final prediction:

Dodgers get Uehara and Lester from Boston
Boston gets kemp, Joc and about 25m

Dodgers then send Guerrero and C Anderson to Marlins for CF Ozuna and RP Dunn

Rotation, bull pen and CF all squared away, Kemp payroll cleared...so we have more money to sign a starter next year, and OZuna and Dunn controllable.

It's going to take a lot more than that to get an elite starter and who is likely the best closer in the game (top 5 at worst). 

And the Red Sox wouldn't take Kemp for free (even if the Dodger eat 25M), let alone trade their best starter and their best reliever.

Sorry.
Nice to have you on board Bosox fan..what do you think is fair for Lester a 2 month rental??
and what about AMiller
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Posted: 07/27/2014 11:22 AM

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colobrowns wrote:
beantownkid10 wrote:
Quest2b1 wrote: My final prediction:

Dodgers get Uehara and Lester from Boston
Boston gets kemp, Joc and about 25m

Dodgers then send Guerrero and C Anderson to Marlins for CF Ozuna and RP Dunn

Rotation, bull pen and CF all squared away, Kemp payroll cleared...so we have more money to sign a starter next year, and OZuna and Dunn controllable.

It's going to take a lot more than that to get an elite starter and who is likely the best closer in the game (top 5 at worst). 

And the Red Sox wouldn't take Kemp for free (even if the Dodger eat 25M), let alone trade their best starter and their best reliever.

Sorry.
Nice to have you on board Bosox fan..what do you think is fair for Lester a 2 month rental??
and what about AMiller

For Lester, I'd ask for Joc + a lower level prospect.
For Miller, I'm not sure. But I know there are a ton of teams who would want him, so I wouldn't trade him for cheap. If he gets traded I'd expect he gets more than Huston Street or Joakim Soria. I'm not too sure of the Dodgers system outside of the big 4 (Joc, Seager, Urias and Lee) so I don't know what that kind of deal would look like.
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Posted: 07/27/2014 3:40 PM

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Whatever we send to Boston for Lester it should be dependent on Lester signing an extension. I do not want to see a deal like the Angels made for Greinke. The Angels sent their top shortstop prospect to the Brewers and then could not resign Greinke. I don't want to see Joc playing center field behind Lester next year.

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Posted: 07/27/2014 4:50 PM

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Doubt Lester alone nets, boston a top 20 prospect. Rarely ever see a top prospect traded for a rental. If he had another year, ya maybe 2 top prosoects. Getting better than a comp pick and the salary off the books seems reasonable, C Anderson would fit the bill.


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colobrowns wrote:
beantownkid10 wrote:
Quest2b1 wrote: My final prediction:

Dodgers get Uehara and Lester from Boston
Boston gets kemp, Joc and about 25m

Dodgers then send Guerrero and C Anderson to Marlins for CF Ozuna and RP Dunn

Rotation, bull pen and CF all squared away, Kemp payroll cleared...so we have more money to sign a starter next year, and OZuna and Dunn controllable.

It's going to take a lot more than that to get an elite starter and who is likely the best closer in the game (top 5 at worst). 

And the Red Sox wouldn't take Kemp for free (even if the Dodger eat 25M), let alone trade their best starter and their best reliever.

Sorry.
Nice to have you on board Bosox fan..what do you think is fair for Lester a 2 month rental??
and what about AMiller

For Lester, I'd ask for Joc + a lower level prospect.
For Miller, I'm not sure. But I know there are a ton of teams who would want him, so I wouldn't trade him for cheap. If he gets traded I'd expect he gets more than Huston Street or Joakim Soria. I'm not too sure of the Dodgers system outside of the big 4 (Joc, Seager, Urias and Lee) so I don't know what that kind of deal would look like.

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Posted: 07/27/2014 7:08 PM

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Quest2b1 wrote: Doubt Lester alone nets, boston a top 20 prospect. Rarely ever see a top prospect traded for a rental. If he had another year, ya maybe 2 top prosoects. Getting better than a comp pick and the salary off the books seems reasonable, C Anderson would fit the bill.


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colobrowns wrote:
beantownkid10 wrote:
Quest2b1 wrote: My final prediction:

Dodgers get Uehara and Lester from Boston
Boston gets kemp, Joc and about 25m

Dodgers then send Guerrero and C Anderson to Marlins for CF Ozuna and RP Dunn

Rotation, bull pen and CF all squared away, Kemp payroll cleared...so we have more money to sign a starter next year, and OZuna and Dunn controllable.

It's going to take a lot more than that to get an elite starter and who is likely the best closer in the game (top 5 at worst). 

And the Red Sox wouldn't take Kemp for free (even if the Dodger eat 25M), let alone trade their best starter and their best reliever.

Sorry.
Nice to have you on board Bosox fan..what do you think is fair for Lester a 2 month rental??
and what about AMiller

For Lester, I'd ask for Joc + a lower level prospect.
For Miller, I'm not sure. But I know there are a ton of teams who would want him, so I wouldn't trade him for cheap. If he gets traded I'd expect he gets more than Huston Street or Joakim Soria. I'm not too sure of the Dodgers system outside of the big 4 (Joc, Seager, Urias and Lee) so I don't know what that kind of deal would look like.

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Then I wouldn't trade him. Sorry. Jon Lester has the second best WAR in the majors this year. He has been flat out unhittable. If you don't want to give a top prospect for him? Fine. But the Red Sox aren't trading him to add a guy like Chris Anderson to the system. We have plenty of #3 starter prospects in our own system.

Lester wants to stay in Boston, I'd give him the money before I take a mediocre return like that. I don't have a problem if you didn't want to give up a prospect like that, but that doesn't mean I'd trade him for anything less.

Also worth noting that Tampa Bay is playing itself into contention meaning Price is likely off the market...thus making Jon Lester the best available player on the market. And multiple teams are looking for starting pitcher so in a sellers market like this the Red Sox are going to be asking for a lot and will likely get it.
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Posted: 07/28/2014 4:32 AM

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beantownkid10 wrote:
Quest2b1 wrote: Doubt Lester alone nets, boston a top 20 prospect. Rarely ever see a top prospect traded for a rental. If he had another year, ya maybe 2 top prosoects. Getting better than a comp pick and the salary off the books seems reasonable, C Anderson would fit the bill.


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colobrowns wrote:
beantownkid10 wrote:
Quest2b1 wrote: My final prediction:

Dodgers get Uehara and Lester from Boston
Boston gets kemp, Joc and about 25m

Dodgers then send Guerrero and C Anderson to Marlins for CF Ozuna and RP Dunn

Rotation, bull pen and CF all squared away, Kemp payroll cleared...so we have more money to sign a starter next year, and OZuna and Dunn controllable.

It's going to take a lot more than that to get an elite starter and who is likely the best closer in the game (top 5 at worst). 

And the Red Sox wouldn't take Kemp for free (even if the Dodger eat 25M), let alone trade their best starter and their best reliever.

Sorry.
Nice to have you on board Bosox fan..what do you think is fair for Lester a 2 month rental??
and what about AMiller

For Lester, I'd ask for Joc + a lower level prospect.
For Miller, I'm not sure. But I know there are a ton of teams who would want him, so I wouldn't trade him for cheap. If he gets traded I'd expect he gets more than Huston Street or Joakim Soria. I'm not too sure of the Dodgers system outside of the big 4 (Joc, Seager, Urias and Lee) so I don't know what that kind of deal would look like.

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Then I wouldn't trade him. Sorry. Jon Lester has the second best WAR in the majors this year. He has been flat out unhittable. If you don't want to give a top prospect for him? Fine. But the Red Sox aren't trading him to add a guy like Chris Anderson to the system. We have plenty of #3 starter prospects in our own system.

Lester wants to stay in Boston, I'd give him the money before I take a mediocre return like that. I don't have a problem if you didn't want to give up a prospect like that, but that doesn't mean I'd trade him for anything less.

Also worth noting that Tampa Bay is playing itself into contention meaning Price is likely off the market...thus making Jon Lester the best available player on the market. And multiple teams are looking for starting pitcher so in a sellers market like this the Red Sox are going to be asking for a lot and will likely get it.

I agree with everything you say Beantown, I would love to see Lester with the Dodger's uniform. I just agree that with out an extension he is not worth a top level prospect, at least to the Dodgers. I do think it is a seller's market and Boston is right to hold out for a good return. Who knows another team might pay the freight.
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Posted: 07/28/2014 5:19 AM

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happyhooten wrote:

Whatever we send to Boston for Lester it should be dependent on Lester signing an extension. I do not want to see a deal like the Angels made for Greinke. The Angels sent their top shortstop prospect to the Brewers and then could not resign Greinke. I don't want to see Joc playing center field behind Lester next year.

I agree, but Lester has already said that, if he were traded, he wants to return back to Boston next year. Actually, though, that could work in our favor by lowering what the Sox can get for him. Good to see you back, Nevada.

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Posted: 07/28/2014 10:26 AM

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MDMore wrote:
happyhooten wrote:

Whatever we send to Boston for Lester it should be dependent on Lester signing an extension. I do not want to see a deal like the Angels made for Greinke. The Angels sent their top shortstop prospect to the Brewers and then could not resign Greinke. I don't want to see Joc playing center field behind Lester next year.

I agree, but Lester has already said that, if he were traded, he wants to return back to Boston next year. Actually, though, that could work in our favor by lowering what the Sox can get for him. Good to see you back, Nevada.

M.M.

Which is exactly why I (and I hope Boston) wouldn't trade him unless they really got a great return for him, because he clearly wants to be in Boston.

If that makes teams like the Dodgers say no thanks, that's okay. It happen. I have no issue with it. I'm sure you Dodgers fans have no issues with it.

Do I think that the Dodgers might eventually pay the price to get Lester? Maybe. Do I think some contender will pay the price? Absolutely. We've seen it before with Greinke, if a team has the chance to grab an Ace who has proven he can win the big game and has done it in a big market at the deadline for what would be a steep price but not a overwhelming price (one top 50-ish prospect)  they will eventually do it. 

Again, not saying your Dodgers will do it. But I think someone will.

But if say 3:50 on July 31st comes and the best offer was Lester and Uehara for Kemp, Pederson and $25M, I'd probably take the deal (I know most Red Sox fans wouldn't solely because Kemp's albatross contract and $25M doesn't make it that palatable, but it's about maximizing assets).
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Posted: 07/28/2014 11:05 AM

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Kemps contract is in no way an albatross, which is why we are not dumping him despite a confirmed 5 inquiries. Everyone knew it would take Kemp a while to recover from the injuries, and that effects his defense too. He has been much better in RF and has posted a .800+ OPS in the past two months. His wRC is currently 122, ranks 52. Paying down his contract to 15-16M per year is something that makes him affordable, if you believe he will return to a 3 WAR player, which is 2012 Kemp, not 2011 Kemp.

Preferably, the Dodgers could keep him and our top 3 Prospects and still net a good rental SP. A very good finish to the year for Kemp, and not only do we have a great offense, but he has much greater value this winter.

I think Boston knows the gamble on Kemp is > than keeping Lester. Can another team offer up a better prospect than Lee or C Anderson type guy...sure, but I think Boston wants to compete next year, not wait a few year for a prospect.

Question for other teams is do they think Kemp is a .285, 23 HR guy moving forward? Because that is worth 15-16M a year, even with avg defense in RF.
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Posted: 07/28/2014 12:37 PM

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Quest2b1 wrote: Kemps contract is in no way an albatross, which is why we are not dumping him despite a confirmed 5 inquiries. Everyone knew it would take Kemp a while to recover from the injuries, and that effects his defense too. He has been much better in RF and has posted a .800+ OPS in the past two months. His wRC is currently 122, ranks 52. Paying down his contract to 15-16M per year is something that makes him affordable, if you believe he will return to a 3 WAR player, which is 2012 Kemp, not 2011 Kemp.

Preferably, the Dodgers could keep him and our top 3 Prospects and still net a good rental SP. A very good finish to the year for Kemp, and not only do we have a great offense, but he has much greater value this winter.

I think Boston knows the gamble on Kemp is > than keeping Lester. Can another team offer up a better prospect than Lee or C Anderson type guy...sure, but I think Boston wants to compete next year, not wait a few year for a prospect.

Question for other teams is do they think Kemp is a .285, 23 HR guy moving forward? Because that is worth 15-16M a year, even with avg defense in RF.

I'll agree to disagree here. 

Kemp has negative defensive value. He has lost a lot of his power, his ISO power is now at about league average and as we have seen with Adrian Gonzalez, Kemp may get some power back but it certainly won't be anywhere close to where it was before. His speed that used to be a huge asset is now almost a non-factor. And worst of all, he strikes out with the worst of them in the league.

I agree that Kemp has salvaged some of his value after losing pretty much all of it over the past year. But I still wouldn't want to take him in a trade unless it was with a top prospect.

I'm certainly not willing to take the risk that Matt Kemp is one of the few who regains his power and is a 23 HR guy. But I'm not sure why we would be talking about that because if he was that guy the Dodgers wouldn't trade him for anything.

But on the Lester topic, if the Red Sox really do want to compete next year how the hell does Anderson or Lee help? Both of those guys would slot behind a few guys already in the Red Sox system. And no team in the right mind is trading an ace for Matt Kemp and his 5 year, ~$107 million dollar contract at this point.

I'll go back to my original point, I'm not going to lose sleep if the Dodgers say no to Seager, Pederson or Urias. That makes sense. But the Red Sox aren't interested in much else. They can get better things from the numerous other teams that are interested.
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Posted: 07/28/2014 1:23 PM

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It's okay to disagree, not a big deal. Kemp, even this year has a decent split away from Dodger stadium. I do not think the Dodgers want to trade Kemp, but they have a log jam that is going nowhere. CC is a guy I think they are going to showcase for a couple days and move.

IMO I just think you are looking at the one trade (Segia for Grienke) where a team parted with a top 25 prospect for a rental Ace. Angels felt very strongly about being able to re-sign Grienke and it did not work out. I can think of another trade where a top 25 guy went out in exchange for a rental player. As I said before, if Lester was under contract for 2016, then yes, Boston could net 2-3 top 100 guys, and one being a top 20 (like Addison to Oak). But I seriously doubt Lester fetches better than a top 50-75 guy.

we will see, only a few days left.
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Posted: 07/28/2014 2:01 PM

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Beantownkid10,
  It is refreshing to see a knowledgeable fan from another team come to this site. You have shown that you know what you are talking about and that you know your team and baseball well. The last guy we had come on here was a Yankee fan and he was an idiot. Thanks again and please come back.
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