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Dodgers/MLB Trades, Rumors, etc.

Posted: 12/24/2012 10:14 AM

Dodgers/MLB Trades, Rumors, etc. 


Thought I'd start a new thread, since the original one is close to max...Merry Christmas fellow brethren in blue!
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Posted: 12/24/2012 10:37 AM

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How about Granderson, Cano and Hughes to the Dodgers; Yanks get Mauer, Jansen, Lilly, and Mark Ellis; Twins get Ethier, Mason Williams, Romine and Dee Gordon.  It works for the Yanks since they are trying to fit under the 189-million threshold for 2014, and Cano will likely command 25 million per year, Mauer makes 23 million and may waive his no-trade clause IF he feels the Twins are re-building.  Granderson is one-and-done with the Dodgers, with Puig on the way.  Ethier has a career OPS at .838, Mauer is .873, both play in "pitching" parks.  The Twins get three prospects and Ethier, plus save about 5 million per year AAV.   

Dodgers lineup:
Crawford, Ramirez, Gonzalez, Kemp, Cano, Granderson, Cruz and A.J. Ellis.  Rotation:  Kershaw, Greinke, Beckett, Ryu and Hughes.  Trading chips: Capuano and Harang.

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Posted: 12/24/2012 11:07 AM

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Sounds like Yankees get raped in that deal!noidea
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Posted: 12/24/2012 11:26 AM

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SPORTFREAK wrote: Sounds like Yankees get raped in that deal!noidea
Not really, the Yanks get Mauer for less than Cano, Granderson is history after 2013, the key to the deaL is Jansen replacing Rivera in 2014, saving the Yanks about 15 million when you add Joba hitting FA. Yanks get a killer BP: Joba, Robertson, Jansen and Rivera.  Joba gets replaced by Mark Montgomery in 2014, Montgomery is 22, made it to AA: stats, 64.1 IP's, 35 hits, 22 walks, 99 k's, 15 saves.

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Posted: 12/24/2012 12:44 PM

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I just don't think the Dodgers can afford to trade Jansen at this point, no matter how much better the lineup looks on paper. Jansen arguably has the filthiest stuff in the pen, and shouldn't be included in a trade unless there's a viable, sure-fire plan B in place.
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Posted: 12/24/2012 12:47 PM

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marinatedfreak wrote: I just don't think the Dodgers can afford to trade Jansen at this point, no matter how much better the lineup looks on paper. Jansen arguably has the filthiest stuff in the pen, and shouldn't be included in a trade unless there's a viable, sure-fire plan B in place.
It is the reason the Yanks trade Cano and Granderson.   Jansen is a health risk.

Posted: 12/24/2012 1:24 PM

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The scenario that makes most sense is Andre Ethier to the Rangers for a package centered around around Mike Olt. Beyond our obvious need at 3base, the Rangers could not only use Ethier's bat given the loss of Hamilton but could also allow the Rangers to keep Nelson Cruz healthy by playing him at DH.
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Posted: 12/24/2012 3:33 PM

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Dodgfan wrote: The scenario that makes most sense is Andre Ethier to the Rangers for a package centered around around Mike Olt. Beyond our obvious need at 3base, the Rangers could not only use Ethier's bat given the loss of Hamilton but could also allow the Rangers to keep Nelson Cruz healthy by playing him at DH.
Why would Texas trade a cheap bat for an expensive one? 18M seems a steep price to move Cruz to DH. Have we seen a bat traded for another bat this year? Most trades are pitching for Bat or bat for pitching.

I could see Andrus because they are back loaded at SS/2B, but Olt can play OF if needed.

Posted: 12/24/2012 4:09 PM

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karl1958 wrote:
marinatedfreak wrote: I just don't think the Dodgers can afford to trade Jansen at this point, no matter how much better the lineup looks on paper. Jansen arguably has the filthiest stuff in the pen, and shouldn't be included in a trade unless there's a viable, sure-fire plan B in place.
It is the reason the Yanks trade Cano and Granderson.   Jansen is a health risk.
Which is exactly why the Yankees wouldn't make that trade. They got burned on the Pineda trade. They're not going to trade arguably their 2 most reliable and consistent offensive players for a health risk relief pitcher.

Posted: 12/24/2012 5:41 PM

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yeah that trade makes no sense from any of the teams standpoints.

Posted: 12/24/2012 6:36 PM

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For the same reason they have already enquired about Ethier; however, mainly because the Rangers need to fill the void left by Hamilton and hinging their hopes on Olt to carry some of that load might not only dampen the young player's ability to make the transition into the major leagues but their very ability to contend might be at stake. Unlike teams like the Rays, Texas plays in a different market and they absolutely can't afford to take that kind of a risk. Ethier may not be a star like Hamilton but at this point it is unreasonable to expect a prospect like Olt to match Ethier's performance, much less Josh Hamilton.

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Dodgfan wrote: The scenario that makes most sense is Andre Ethier to the Rangers for a package centered around around Mike Olt. Beyond our obvious need at 3base, the Rangers could not only use Ethier's bat given the loss of Hamilton but could also allow the Rangers to keep Nelson Cruz healthy by playing him at DH.
Why would Texas trade a cheap bat for an expensive one? 18M seems a steep price to move Cruz to DH. Have we seen a bat traded for another bat this year? Most trades are pitching for Bat or bat for pitching.

I could see Andrus because they are back loaded at SS/2B, but Olt can play OF if needed.

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Posted: 12/24/2012 9:01 PM

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Dodgfan wrote: For the same reason they have already enquired about Ethier; however, mainly because the Rangers need to fill the void left by Hamilton and hinging their hopes on Olt to carry some of that load might not only dampen the young player's ability to make the transition into the major leagues but their very ability to contend might be at stake. Unlike teams like the Rays, Texas plays in a different market and they absolutely can't afford to take that kind of a risk. Ethier may not be a star like Hamilton but at this point it is unreasonable to expect a prospect like Olt to match Ethier's performance, much less Josh Hamilton.

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Dodgfan wrote: The scenario that makes most sense is Andre Ethier to the Rangers for a package centered around around Mike Olt. Beyond our obvious need at 3base, the Rangers could not only use Ethier's bat given the loss of Hamilton but could also allow the Rangers to keep Nelson Cruz healthy by playing him at DH.
Why would Texas trade a cheap bat for an expensive one? 18M seems a steep price to move Cruz to DH. Have we seen a bat traded for another bat this year? Most trades are pitching for Bat or bat for pitching.

I could see Andrus because they are back loaded at SS/2B, but Olt can play OF if needed.

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The Rangers wouldn't even offer Hamilton a fourth year but they are going to take on 5 years of Ethier?

Also who knows if they inquired about Ethier. So many of those twitter rumors are complete bs.

Acquiring Ethier makes little sense for the Rangers and they certainly wouldn't trade Olt for him. They could plug in Olt next year and probably get similar production at 1/30th the price

Posted: 12/25/2012 12:51 AM

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Right, just like Justin Smoak was to be an AStar 1bman? I'm not one who likes to underestimate the value of player development, but I also don't like to lose track of its focus. It is always nice to assume prospects are going to live up to their projections, but I'm sure most of us that have followed baseball long enough know young players can be a bit of a crapshoot; I.e. Loney, Laroche, etc....

As comprised, this is the lineup they are destined to have in 2013:

Kinsler 2B
Andrus SS
Beltre 3B
Cruz RF
Piersynksy C
Murphy LF
Moreland 1B
Olt DH
Gentry/Martin CF

The real issue is whether the Rangers can afford to go into the season with a questionable bottom of the order; hence, Moreland, Olt and Martin/Gentry after not only losing Hamilton but to their division rivals. IMO, if they intend to contend on 2013, like most insiders, I believe they need to make at least one more move. They were interested in not only Etheir but also Swisher. Considering they were upset when Hamilton did not come back to them before agreeing to sign with the Angels, I think their desire to add another OFer goes beyond simple twitter related rumors.

I'm fairly certain they will add another bat, As I don't see them going into the season with 2 rookies in their everyday lineup. Perhaps, it may not be Ethier, but it will be someone like Kubel, Upton, etc.
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Posted: 12/25/2012 12:05 PM

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I still say Seattle is the right place for a trade. Problem is we were most likely asking for Seager and Seattle wants bats, not looking to trade them. They have inquired on 2 pieces:

The Mariners recently spoke with the Dodgers about Chris Capuano, Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports reports. However, it doesn't appear that those talks have progressed. Seattle could add a veteran arm after trading Jason Vargas to the Angels for Kendrys Morales, and the Dodgers have a surplus of starting pitchers.

The Mariners also talked to the Dodgers about Ethier, Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports report. However, talks failed to progress.

Read more at www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/12...yYXpo5shakwb.99

Maybe we should back off asking for a vet back and just restock the prospects:

LAD gets: C Zuninio, LHP Hultzen, and 2B Franklin
Seattle gets Ethier and Capuano and 10M to bring Ethier's avg contract figure down to 16M

It is a good trade for both teams.
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Posted: 12/25/2012 12:20 PM

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Another option for 3B would be the Nationals A Rendon, great glove and bat and he is blocked. If the Nats pull him off 3B he loses value. I prefer him over Olt personally. I think he has a better glove and will hit for a higher avg, but maybe less power. Nats also have Skole behind him who can play 3B.

If the Nats ever sign LaRoche, then I would put together a package of prospects for Rendon and Morse (easy to do if we make my proposed Seattle trade).

Posted: 12/25/2012 12:55 PM

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Quest2b1 wrote: I still say Seattle is the right place for a trade. Problem is we were most likely asking for Seager and Seattle wants bats, not looking to trade them. They have inquired on 2 pieces:

The Mariners recently spoke with the Dodgers about Chris Capuano, Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports reports. However, it doesn't appear that those talks have progressed. Seattle could add a veteran arm after trading Jason Vargas to the Angels for Kendrys Morales, and the Dodgers have a surplus of starting pitchers.

The Mariners also talked to the Dodgers about Ethier, Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports report. However, talks failed to progress.

Read more at www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/12...yYXpo5shakwb.99

Maybe we should back off asking for a vet back and just restock the prospects:

LAD gets: C Zuninio, LHP Hultzen, and 2B Franklin
Seattle gets Ethier and Capuano and 10M to bring Ethier's avg contract figure down to 16M

It is a good trade for both teams.
Again...

1) We aren't looking to get rid of Ethier

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2) We don't want to take away from the current roster unless it's to get somebody back... IE, we are only going to trade Ethier if we already have a deal with Michael Bourn is place or we get back a major piece who can contribute immediately in RF or SS. Frankly, Seager or King Felix are the two pieces which we would consider trading Ethier (and prospects) for. This team isn't going to take away from the major league roster after spending all that money.

Posted: 12/25/2012 1:10 PM

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lol somebody in the other thread mentioned that Bourn has a higher OBP than Ethier...

Ethier is 8 months older than Bourn. Both came into the league in 2006 (though Bourn took a bit longer to be established. Yet, every year since 2006, Ethier's OBP has been higher than Bourn's... even in 2012. Ethier has a career .362 OBP, while Bourn levels out at .339. Bourn's power numbers in 2012 were frankly outliers compared to his career norm. There's no question, Ethier is a far better hitter than Bourn, even with his injury history. Bourn's speed element is likely to diminish over the course of his contract, moreso than Ethier's hitting ability. The only clear advantage that Bourn has over Ethier is defense, and the WAR numbers indicate that Bourn is arguably the best defensive CF in the league. If that's the basis for the argument for Bourn being a better overall player than Ethier (which it usually is), then that's viable. However, as a hitter, Bourn is just a slight upgrade over Juan Pierre because he hits 3 HRs to 1. His OPS isn't far off from Pierre's when we signed Pierre to that one contract that everybody loved. Ethier is a far better hitter and is more likely to produce in this lineup.

To insinuate that Bourn is a better player than Ethier is one thing. But Ethier is--by far--a better hitter. So let's please stop making false claims like 'Bourn has a higher on base percentage' because that's not even true. One could easily claim that Bourn's numbers fit in line with the contract theory, and there is a good chance that he will regress as a hitter at Dodger Stadium.
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Posted: 12/25/2012 1:17 PM

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We may not be looking to get rid of him, but should be looking to get a return for him to fill other holes. Also would like to open up an OF spot in the future for Puig. If you can replace his bat with Morse, you lose nothing imo and Morse can back up 1B.
If we can come away with Morse and Rendon at the cost of Ethier and Capuano, it is a good trade and we lose nothing in our lineup.

Edit: My #1 trade target is still Bonafacio, who Toronto has considered moving because they signed Izturis. Just compare Bonafacio to Bourne:

Bonafacio (age 27)

2011  .360 OBP 40 stls (CS 11) 5 HR
2012  .330 OBP 30 stls (CS 3) 1 HR (244 ABs due to injury, was on pace for 70 stls)

Bourn (age 29)

2011  .349 OBP 61 stls (CS 14) 2 HR
2012  .348 OBP 42 stls (CS 13) 9 HRs

Bonafacio can play 3B decently, has a contract of 2.2M and 2 years Arb left. We need a lead off guy, we need a 3B/2B, we should be aggressively pursuing him.

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Posted: 12/25/2012 2:07 PM

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Getting Morse would be a good pickup. But we're not trading Ethier just for prospects is my point.
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We may not be looking to get rid of him, but should be looking to get a return for him to fill other holes. Also would like to open up an OF spot in the future for Puig. If you can replace his bat with Morse, you lose nothing imo and Morse can back up 1B.
If we can come away with Morse and Rendon at the cost of Ethier and Capuano, it is a good trade and we lose nothing in our lineup.

Edit: My #1 trade target is still Bonafacio, who Toronto has considered moving because they signed Izturis. Just compare Bonafacio to Bourne:

Bonafacio (age 27)

2011  .360 OBP 40 stls (CS 11) 5 HR
2012  .330 OBP 30 stls (CS 3) 1 HR (244 ABs due to injury, was on pace for 70 stls)

Bourn (age 29)

2011  .349 OBP 61 stls (CS 14) 2 HR
2012  .348 OBP 42 stls (CS 13) 9 HRs

Bonafacio can play 3B decently, has a contract of 2.2M and 2 years Arb left. We need a lead off guy, we need a 3B/2B, we should be aggressively pursuing him.

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Posted: 12/25/2012 5:49 PM

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Bonafacio can play 3B decently, has a contract of 2.2M and 2 years Arb left. We need a lead off guy, we need a 3B/2B, we should be aggressively pursuing him.

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I like Bonifacio a lot. What would it take to get him? Capuano plus...?

He solves our lead off question and could slot into 2B or 3B.
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