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Posted: 12/01/2012 12:04 PM

Winter Meetings! 


Just thought I would start this thread with Winter Meetings coming for rumors and trades I'm sure Dodgeres will make!!cool Let the dreams begin!!!biggrin
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Posted: 12/01/2012 4:02 PM

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I will be very surprised if the Dodgers trade for a starting pitcher the quality of Hernandez, Price or even Shields.  Frankly, the Dodgers have four very, very good prospects in Lee, Puig, Seager and Pederson.  But to empty the farm system at this point to get a starter when there is a free agent out there to sign that is very good just doesn't make sense.  Greinke is a good enough pitcher that you sign him and save your prospects.

So, what will happen at the Winter Meetings?  I do think the Dodgers will sign Zach Greinke to a 6 year deal worth about $140 million.  If they don't get him they will sign Sanchez.  Shortly thereafter, they will finalize the deal for the young Korean pitcher, Ryu for somewhere in the neighborhood of $25 million.  

I think the Dodgers will pass on Josh Hamilton. 

I don't think Ethier gets traded and the Dodgers will stick with Crawford, Kemp and Ethier as the outfield.

Dee Gordon could be traded in the right deal.  But he is not enough to headline a deal for a starting pitcher. 

The Dodgers will still look to sign Wright and Choate to fill out the bullpen.

Kevin Youkilis could be a target to cover 3B and 1B when Gonzalez is rested.

Vernon Wells could be a target if the Angels are willing to eat enough money to equalize him with, say, Capuano.  Wells would fill a need as a fourth outfielder in that he is a right handed power bat with a history of being able to hit left handed pitching (he didn't last year, though) and can play a passable CF if Matt Kemp is rested.  I think the Angels would love to get rid of him.
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Posted: 12/02/2012 8:02 AM

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good start...
well none of knows  what will really happen...noidea

Greinke will sign by end of mtgs or we will bypass him...
We will sign Ryu by end of mtgs..for $25-30M..4yrs deal maybe 5th yr option.
If Greinke does not sign by ed of mtgs..we will try for Shields cuz he is easiest to get and give up Gordon, Joc P,SVS or Alex C and Magill/Miller..trying not give up Ethier..save him for Price.

if not Shields then quickly get Sanchez- FA for 5-6 yrs at $14-16M/yr

Dodgers will get bully help by trading Cap to pirates for Hanrahan.
if that falls thru then they will get Wilson on an incentive deal.
Yuk makes sense as BU 
set for ST.
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Posted: 12/02/2012 8:59 AM

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Dodgers should go all out to get Price. Elite top 5 pitcher, low mileage.

Don't understand the Dodgers interest in Sanchez. 5 - 6 years is too long for a slight upgrade to Capuano/Harang.

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Posted: 12/02/2012 9:34 AM

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The Dodgers don't have enough to get Price.  Even the top 3 prospects in the Dodger system wouldn't be enough.  Price will bring back a prospect of the Trout or Harper variety.  I know the Dodgers can't trade Seager until he has been in the sytem a year and I suspect the same about Puig.  Frankly, our number 1, Zach Lee, has not been impressive and our next best guy, Pederson, does not profile as anything other than an average major league outfielder.  I just can't see Price.  Or Hernandez for that matter.

If there is a trade it will be for someone like Shields, Lee, Halladay.  An older pitcher making a ton of money. 

I still think trading for a starter and ruining what little farm talent you have in the system is stupid when there is a pitcher on the free agent market that is pretty darn good and is only 29 years old.  Greinke doesn't cost a draft pick or any prospects, only money.
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Posted: 12/02/2012 12:30 PM

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The key to getting Price will be the use of vets to go get another piece TB wants. Ethier, Capuano, Harang, and maybe Bills (depends on medical report), could all be used to net more prospects or a key player. We also have a few decent "B" prospects. Withrow, Gordon, Ames, and Tolleson. Just an example:

Ethier and Gordon to Texas for Andrus, now we approach TB with Lee and Andrus, along with Joc, Withrow, Ames, and Reed. Is that a huge price? Sure, but as other posters have mentioned, we go sign Bourn.

I would definitely rather have Price than Grienke (who is trending down).

So for me, the biggest thing to watch for in the winter meets is what vets we trade off. We have a lot of surplus pitching, which is in demand.

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Posted: 12/02/2012 3:20 PM

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From mlbtraderumors, the Dodgers have no interest in signing Brian Wilson.  Also, they will not make a deal for Joel Hanrahan.  Makes sense as the Dodgers already have 6 right handers in the bullpen (League, Jansen, Belisario, Guerrier, Guerra, Tolleson).  There is just no room for another late inning guy from the right side. 

Dodgers are telling other teams that Dee Gordon is available.  Given the Dodgers insistence that Hanley Ramirez be at shortstop it makes sense to jettison Gordon.  Neither is any good defensively but at least Ramirez can hit.  I don't see him bringing much back other than a mid level prospect. 

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Posted: 12/02/2012 5:15 PM

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I really hope the Dodgers don't sign Choate. The best-case scenario with him is he's effective against lefties and completely useless against righties. We already have Paco who can pitch to anyone, and Elbert probably has a comparable chance to be effective against lefties as Choate. If the Dodgers need another left-handed reliever at some point, they can go out and get one. I just hope it's not Choate.
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Posted: 12/02/2012 6:55 PM

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Posted: 12/02/2012 6:56 PM

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Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/...hAJeXqgfwpWW.99 
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Posted: 12/02/2012 7:05 PM

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Posted: 12/02/2012 7:53 PM

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Apparently Josh Hamilton is at the winter meetings and flew in with Rangers executives. I hope he gets signed sooner rather than later so Ethier's trade market can develop. I have three wishes:

1) Dodgers trade Ethier to Boston or Seattle, along with prospects, for Lester of King Felix respectively.
2) Sign Michael Bourn. This does several things: protects Matt Kemp's health by permanently moving him to RF, bring in a much needed lead-off hitter and solidify our overall defense in the OF.
3) Sign Kevin Youkilis
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Posted: 12/03/2012 6:07 AM

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Dodgfan wrote: Apparently Josh Hamilton is at the winter meetings and flew in with Rangers executives. I hope he gets signed sooner rather than later so Ethier's trade market can develop. I have three wishes:

1) Dodgers trade Ethier to Boston or Seattle, along with prospects, for Lester of King Felix respectively.
2) Sign Michael Bourn. This does several things: protects Matt Kemp's health by permanently moving him to RF, bring in a much needed lead-off hitter and solidify our overall defense in the OF.
3) Sign Kevin Youkilis
Hamilton almost eliminates Rangers from Greinke sweepstakes....

let me add Rays to Ethier list..they need hitting desperately..so much they signed Loney!rolleyes
Ethier would easily help us get Shields or maybe Price...add $ to trade deal..plus prospects
With Puig being a top prospect..don't see dodgers signing anyone for CF...esp $$ Bourn on a long term deal.
Joc P has been playing Cf he maybe our guy in 3-4 yrs..
Yuk make sense..
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Posted: 12/03/2012 8:34 AM

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First post here - but here it goes.   I do realize I am just a fan and have no real information so this is all in fun as a fan.

I don't see Puig long term as a CF - with Crawford not sure if he can settle into Left but I see him more as a corner OF.    He is a really big kid and like Kemp (even more so) does not project well for his long term well being to be in CF.

Pederson was really disappointing in Arizona to the outsider (me).    Since I have read mixed reviews on him and he was probably the worst player in Arizona (not sure if he was absolutely the worst but close if not) he has a long way to go before anyone can think of him being a solid big league CF for a premier team.  

I do not think the Dodgers have any interest in Bourne but if they did move Either and he was still in play then yes, I could really see it.   But right now I doubt it.

I cannot believe the Dodgers will pay Ryu anymore than $ 25 over 5-6.    That puts his cost at $ 50 million for 5 or 6 and they could get a much more established big leaguer for those type of dollars.   But I do see them signing him.

I am torn on Grienke.   I want to ignore the dollars but I can't as I do want the Dodgers to have the dollars to compete going forward and not be all in financially up front.   He would really help the long term prospects of this organization since there is so little starting pitching in the farm system.   Lee, not sure what to make of him but again I do not see him as one of the hot pitching prospects in baseball.   But he is our best prospect.   Reed is a journeyman at best.   He also really struggled in Arizona and has not really impressed so far.   Garcia may be a prospect but not really sure.   Otani would be a huge signing and we need to get that done.

I am very happy with the attention to the minors and scouting that the new ownership has done.   That was the area that McCourt really hurt this organization more than anywhere.  
colobrowns wrote:
Dodgfan wrote: Apparently Josh Hamilton is at the winter meetings and flew in with Rangers executives. I hope he gets signed sooner rather than later so Ethier's trade market can develop. I have three wishes:

1) Dodgers trade Ethier to Boston or Seattle, along with prospects, for Lester of King Felix respectively.
2) Sign Michael Bourn. This does several things: protects Matt Kemp's health by permanently moving him to RF, bring in a much needed lead-off hitter and solidify our overall defense in the OF.
3) Sign Kevin Youkilis
Hamilton almost eliminates Rangers from Greinke sweepstakes....

let me add Rays to Ethier list..they need hitting desperately..so much they signed Loney!rolleyes
Ethier would easily help us get Shields or maybe Price...add $ to trade deal..plus prospects
With Puig being a top prospect..don't see dodgers signing anyone for CF...esp $$ Bourn on a long term deal.
Joc P has been playing Cf he maybe our guy in 3-4 yrs..
Yuk make sense..
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Posted: 12/03/2012 10:52 AM

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How about Granderson and Joba Chamberlain for Gordon, Jansen and Crawford plus cash to bring his salary down to 18 million per season?

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Posted: 12/03/2012 12:25 PM

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karl1958 wrote: How about Granderson and Joba Chamberlain for Gordon, Jansen and Crawford plus cash to bring his salary down to 18 million per season?
No
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Posted: 12/03/2012 12:34 PM

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marino13882 wrote:
karl1958 wrote: How about Granderson and Joba Chamberlain for Gordon, Jansen and Crawford plus cash to bring his salary down to 18 million per season?
No
On the positive side; lose Crawford; gain Granderson for a year.  As a Yankee fan Jansen is the key.  Look, Wilson is dying to be a Dodger.
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Posted: 12/03/2012 1:26 PM

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Granderson is not fitted for Dodger Stadium or what the Dodgers are trying to do on offense.

ddgerfan, thelateddgerfan no longer.

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Posted: 12/03/2012 2:09 PM

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Is lester even available? He's a perfect buy-low option. Would even risk reuniting with beckett since Lester is still young enough to stick around for awhile. The guy was dominant in the AL East and looked to be on a major upswing up until whatever those issues were that hit.
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Posted: 12/03/2012 3:48 PM

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PWReese wrote:

From mlbtraderumors, the Dodgers have no interest in signing Brian Wilson.  Also, they will not make a deal for Joel Hanrahan.  Makes sense as the Dodgers already have 6 right handers in the bullpen (League, Jansen, Belisario, Guerrier, Guerra, Tolleson).  There is just no room for another late inning guy from the right side. 

Dodgers are telling other teams that Dee Gordon is available.  Given the Dodgers insistence that Hanley Ramirez be at shortstop it makes sense to jettison Gordon.  Neither is any good defensively but at least Ramirez can hit.  I don't see him bringing much back other than a mid level prospect. 

The Hanaran/Wilson non interest makes sense but why does it make sense to "jettison" Gordon for a mid level prospect. He still has options left and could still develop, it's not like he has no talent. This is the worst time to trade him IMO.

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