This can go either way, but a reason to believe in God, is physics. 

If you are to believe General Relativity, the universe is just so beautifully built.  If you are to believe quantum mechanics, maybe not so much, but statistically, wow the world is beautifully built.

I also tend to think that God once creating a beautiful universe decided to be hands off.  So we are governed by free will.

Sorry to be so philsophical.

Deist.

You make babies want to eat other babies just so another baby can eat a double baby sandwich.

There are many reasons to believe in God, but to me, the best of which is as follows: until someone can explain the origin of matter and energy, which must have existed prior to the big bang, and must have been created by something (while literally all scientific laws say that the creation of either of these things is impossible), how could the answer not be God? I know this could fall into the category of a "God of the gaps" theory, but it's really more than that since the idea of God is not just a random explanation, but the most logical one. It would have to be some kind of force that lives outside the realm of time and space, and that has the power to do things that are scientifically impossible. It would have the power not just to create matter and energy, but to also be able to turn those things into life. And while the argument is valid that the "perfectness" of the world is just a result of statistical happenstance, one has to wonder why statistical likelihood would provide for the creation of things like "life," if it never existed prior to the big bang.

KCRoyalBlue wrote: I don't know what you're talking about, but I'm suddenly very hungry.

nominated.

gary84 wrote:

 

 

You make babies want to eat other babies just so another baby can eat a double baby sandwich.

This is true.  But I fail to see what it has to do with anything.  And what's wrong for wanting babies to eat other babies just so another baby can eat a double baby sandwich?

ChiTownRoyalsFan wrote:

 

gary84 wrote:

 

 

You make babies want to eat other babies just so another baby can eat a double baby sandwich.

This is true.  But I fail to see what it has to do with anything.  And what's wrong for wanting babies to eat other babies just so another baby can eat a double baby sandwich?

Well, for one, overconsumption will lead to a severe baby sandwich shortage.  A single baby should be sufficient.

Unleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeess, we could somehow increase baby production?  Then all babies could be gluttonous.

I'll defer the answer to this dilemma to any of you living in basements.

KCRoyalBlue wrote:

 

ChiTownRoyalsFan wrote:

 

gary84 wrote:

 

 

You make babies want to eat other babies just so another baby can eat a double baby sandwich.

This is true.  But I fail to see what it has to do with anything.  And what's wrong for wanting babies to eat other babies just so another baby can eat a double baby sandwich?

Well, for one, overconsumption will lead to a severe baby sandwich shortage.  A single baby should be sufficient.

 

Unleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeess, we could somehow increase baby production?  Then all babies could be gluttonous.

 

I'll defer the answer to this dilemma to any of you living in basements.

Hmmm... there should be a way to chemically increase baby production.  I'll work this out tonight in my parent's ATTIC!!!  (seriously, how many times to I have to tell you?  I got the Mike Seaver thing going on).

lexingtonroyal wrote: That argument is fine. But it basically boils down too (like a lot of arguments for God) we don't what caused this, so let's just call it God.

How does that work. Why, just because we don't have an explanation for something must we default to a position where God is the answer? Just hold your hands up and say you don't know, yet. Nothing wrong with that, and certainly no reason to plug something in just to make you feel better. Maybe, one day we will have the answer. Science answers things previously assigned to God all the time, from the origin of Man to the creation of the Sun. Once upon a time, we didn't know what caused those, and lazily plugged God in as the answer. Then we found the the real answeres and God was evicted. Who's to say that won't happen again?

But you're doing the same thing-- "We don't know what caused this, so let's call it science." I get what you're saying, but I provided good reason why God would be the most logical answer. Why do you believe science would be a more logical answer?

prezuiwf wrote:

 

lexingtonroyal wrote: That argument is fine. But it basically boils down too (like a lot of arguments for God) we don't what caused this, so let's just call it God.

How does that work. Why, just because we don't have an explanation for something must we default to a position where God is the answer? Just hold your hands up and say you don't know, yet. Nothing wrong with that, and certainly no reason to plug something in just to make you feel better. Maybe, one day we will have the answer. Science answers things previously assigned to God all the time, from the origin of Man to the creation of the Sun. Once upon a time, we didn't know what caused those, and lazily plugged God in as the answer. Then we found the the real answeres and God was evicted. Who's to say that won't happen again?

But you're doing the same thing-- "We don't know what caused this, so let's call it science." I get what you're saying, but I provided good reason why God would be the most logical answer. Why do you believe science would be a more logical answer?

I don't, that's the point. I just file it away in the "to be explained category". That explanation might be science. It might also be God. I'm not in a position to know. So i'll wait until I have some information that allows me to make that decision.

RoyalVirus wrote: I have a problem with believing as so many wonderful people are eaten alive by cancer and serial killers, pedophiles and other vermin are allowed to walk the streets or sit for years on death row..

Where is the justice in that? How can god allow this to happen?

God's job isn't to make the world perfect. If nothing bad ever happened in the world, how could one's character ever be tested?

While it's true that the world is a terrible place sometimes because of all the evil that exists here, I'd rather have the world we live in over one where free will didn't exist. Imagine how meaningless life would be if that were the case.

So Adolf Hitler brought meaning to life?

Yes... unless you believe the Holocaust and World War II meant nothing to anybody...

prezuiwf wrote:

Yes... unless you believe the Holocaust and World War II meant nothing to anybody...

Ok you opened the door to something that I didn't want to offend anyone in the general, and then a couple people in the specific.

1.  If the Nazi Regime wasn't anti semetic, they would have gotten the bomb.  England would have been destroyed, as would Russia.  The major scientists would have stayed in germany, because they were jewish.

2.  This is horrible to say.  So i'm going to preface this by saying that the holocaust is the worst thing to happen to a people in history, unless you want to go biblical.  But I'm guessing that although it was absolutely horrible to have to live with that, the hiding, or the living in a camp, or the watching your family die, as horrible as that is, and it's one of the worst things anyone could possibly imagine, such horrid things have to have brought people together, so close.  The frank family, hiding for years, was probably closer than any of our families.  The people who lost members, probably rallied behind the lost family members.

I could be wrond on point two.  There is one poster who I'd like to respond who had members of his family killed by the holocaust and survived the holocaust.  Point one, I'm spot on.  Germany had all of the best scientists.  But they were all gasp! jewish.  Even though they didn't have the hungarian jews who fled hungary because of anti semitism, but not to Germany.  First i can think of is John von Newmann, my answer to who i admire.

Came up with the mathematical model for the model, the basis for computer science, and in his spare time game theory.  Though the did think that computers would be so large that only the five richest countries on earth could afford them.  He thought they would get bigger and be the size of soldier field i guess.

RoyalVirus wrote: I have a problem with believing as so many wonderful people are eaten alive by cancer and serial killers, pedophiles and other vermin are allowed to walk the streets or sit for years on death row..

Where is the justice in that? How can god allow this to happen?

We jacked up our shot at perfection with original sin.