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Has Anyone Else Given Up?

Posted: 1/25/2013 9:32 AM

Has Anyone Else Given Up? 


As a conservative independent, I have given up on America.  My views are obviously in the minority and liberalism is the way the nation is going.  With this I have just checked out.  I don't watch any news or political talk on tv or radio anymore.  Anyone else like this?

Posted: 1/25/2013 10:26 AM

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Yeah, basically. I still can't watch national news shows, and it's been that way since November.  As I put it in another thread, I think our country has finally reached a critical mass of idiots, and there doesn't seem to be anything that can be done about it. I suppose the only recourse for the GOP is to get better at identity politics, but I have no interest in that, so I, like you, have basically just given up.

Posted: 1/25/2013 10:43 AM

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The GOP is dead nationally.  There is an electorate that is large enough that is dependant on entitlements to keep Democrats in power.  The nation is a Democratic Party nation and if you do not follow their principles, it is best to pretend it isn't happening.  Cover your ears, cup your ears with your hands, close your eyes, and repeat, "lalalalalalaluhhhhhlalalalala".

Posted: 1/25/2013 11:18 AM

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NO , and I wont give up !

Posted: 1/25/2013 11:33 AM

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What a bunch of Happy Horse Shiat.  This Dependent On Entitlements meme that conservatives keep harping on is symptomatic of why conservatives can't win.  Get your asses kicked in an election and then insult the folks who voted against you.  Great strategy. 

Quit voting for ******** who want to legislate women's lady parts, and gay bedrooms.  Quit voting for this bunch of jingoistic ******** who make up bullshiat about weapons of mass destruction and start wars that Eff up the econonmy and budget.  Quit farking around with mexicans, who are attracted to this country for all the reasons we love it, freedom opportunity etc.  Quit trying to change the way that the electoral votes are counted.  Quit trying to suppress poor voters.  Quit voting for dooshes.

I am willing to concede that there are plenty of economic and tax issues out there that conservatives are right about.  I don't want more government than is necessary.  Nobody does.  But thats not really what so called conservatives stand for and fight for these days.

Posted: 1/25/2013 11:59 AM

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BuddyBiancalana wrote:  

Quit voting for ******** who want to legislate women's lady parts, and gay bedrooms.  Quit voting for this bunch of jingoistic ******** who make up bullshiat about weapons of mass destruction and start wars that Eff up the econonmy and budget.  Quit farking around with mexicans, who are attracted to this country for all the reasons we love it, freedom opportunity etc.  Quit trying to change the way that the electoral votes are counted.  Quit trying to suppress poor voters.  Quit voting for dooshes.

I am willing to concede that there are plenty of economic and tax issues out there that conservatives are right about.  I don't want more government than is necessary.  Nobody does.  But thats not really what so called conservatives stand for and fight for these days.
The problem is that those "********s" you speak of are the only ones who are serious about the "economic and tax issues" you speak of. And since the "economic and tax issues" are essentially the only issues I give a rat's ass about, my despair continues.

I'll also continue to label idiots as I see them. My days of trying to convince or persuade others are over. Those idiots have made their bed. I just wish I didn't have to lay in it with them.

Posted: 1/25/2013 12:08 PM

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RoyalsCorner wrote:
BuddyBiancalana wrote:  

Quit voting for ******** who want to legislate women's lady parts, and gay bedrooms.  Quit voting for this bunch of jingoistic ******** who make up bullshiat about weapons of mass destruction and start wars that Eff up the econonmy and budget.  Quit farking around with mexicans, who are attracted to this country for all the reasons we love it, freedom opportunity etc.  Quit trying to change the way that the electoral votes are counted.  Quit trying to suppress poor voters.  Quit voting for dooshes.

I am willing to concede that there are plenty of economic and tax issues out there that conservatives are right about.  I don't want more government than is necessary.  Nobody does.  But thats not really what so called conservatives stand for and fight for these days.
The problem is that those "********s" you speak of are the only ones who are serious about the "economic and tax issues" you speak of. And since the "economic and tax issues" are essentially the only issues I give a rat's ass about, my despair continues.

I'll also continue to label idiots as I see them. My days of trying to convince or persuade others are over. Those idiots have made their bed. I just wish I didn't have to lay in it with them.
Meh, I aint no good in bed anyway

Posted: 1/25/2013 2:09 PM

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I get a little carried away.  I know you are not a bad guy RC.  This stuff just makes me a little crazy.  I don't understand how these John Birchers got the republican party away from rational people.

Posted: 1/25/2013 2:37 PM

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The backlash towards the Republican Party has very little to do with their economics. It is because they view social issues through a 1950s prism. I vote for fewer Republicans every election cycle and it's only going to continue that way until they quit making me uncomfortable. I would've never voted for Strom Thurmond when he was championing segregation and I can't vote for anybody who's trying to take away basic human rights from my fellow Americans today either.

Posted: 1/25/2013 3:13 PM

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The man said it was about money and I take him at his word

Posted: 1/25/2013 7:58 PM

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BuddyBiancalana wrote: I get a little carried away.  I know you are not a bad guy RC.  This stuff just makes me a little crazy.  I don't understand how these John Birchers got the republican party away from rational people.
I certainly didn't take any offense. And, to an extent, I agree with your final sentence, although I think you'd probably agree that labeling the current GOPers as Birchers is more than a bit of an exaggeration.

Nevertheless, I'll admit I was pretty disgusted at one thing in particular that supports your point. Back when the 2012 GOP field was forming, my man Mitch Daniels (who was undecided about running at that point) merely suggested that perhaps the GOP ought to call a bit of a truce on social issues while it goes about addressing the far more important budgetary issues that will soon turn into a crisis. He made a great, rational argument....and a whole slew of conservatives -- many of whom I respected -- just flipped the f*** out. In retrospect, that comment probably doomed his candidacy, which he was certainly considering at the time. And yeah, that's a problem that has also contributed to my despair.

Of course, at the end of the day, none of that disgusts me as much as Obama, Reid, or Pelosi.

Posted: 1/25/2013 10:25 PM

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but RC they are not serious about tax and budgent and entitlement reform. Yeah theyll get around ro it but only AFTER they get rid of abortion, make sure gays dont have rights, and all that. If they get to that then theyll take care of the budget stuff. What the GOP hasnt figured out is the American people arent rejecting their fiscal ideas(some are good) people are rejecting these attacks on women's rights , gays and other things. Instead of dropping these issues and accepting the fact that the public has overwhelmingly moved away from them on these issues they basically are saying "we;; give ou are budget ideas, but only after we shove this down your throat" and the American people rejected that

Abortion and "rape" is why the GOP lost the senate in 2010 AND 2012. It had nothing to do with tax or entitlement policy, and instead of realizing that the GOP is going to keep hammering away on abortion ... If they continue this I dont care what good money policies they have they will die as a party. If you need proof of what im saying here it is
www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01..._n_2552597.html

really ending aborting is one of your fundamental goals? you just lost an election largely because of the party position on this. I think the GOP does care about the budget and all that, but thats only after they get their social policies through. Thats why they are struggling to win elections. For the record RC im not really referring to you in this im talking about the larger party. I get the feeling you dont much care for the social crap

Posted: 1/25/2013 10:47 PM

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ryansublett wrote: but RC they are not serious about tax and budgent and entitlement reform. Yeah theyll get around ro it but only AFTER they get rid of abortion, make sure gays dont have rights, and all that.
You already know I don't hold your political opinions in very high regard.

And you choose to kick off your post directed at me with that?

Was the rest of that post interesting?

Posted: 1/25/2013 10:49 PM

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OK no more trying to change the other persons point of view
I am glad the GOP has went to the jingoistic bigots
I hope they keep it up , couldnt be happier for them
they have no business in power , and they wont be
Its a NEW day in American politics and I am GLAD !

Posted: 1/25/2013 10:53 PM

RE: Has Anyone Else Given Up? 



Nibiru wrote: OK no more trying to change the other persons point of view
I am glad the GOP has went to the jingoistic bigots
I hope they keep it up , couldnt be happier for them
they have no business in power , and they wont be
Its a NEW day in American politics and I am GLAD !
Nib, you don't know what "liberalism" or "progressivism" is, but you know what "jingoistic" means?

Posted: 1/25/2013 10:57 PM

RE: Has Anyone Else Given Up? 



RoyalsCorner wrote:
Nibiru wrote: OK no more trying to change the other persons point of view
I am glad the GOP has went to the jingoistic bigots
I hope they keep it up , couldnt be happier for them
they have no business in power , and they wont be
Its a NEW day in American politics and I am GLAD !
Nib, you don't know what "liberalism" or "progressivism" is, but you know what "jingoistic" means?
googled it biggrin

Posted: 1/25/2013 11:06 PM

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--- RoyalsCorner wrote:


BuddyBiancalana wrote: I get a little carried away.  I know you are not a bad guy RC.  This stuff just makes me a little crazy.  I don't understand how these John Birchers got the republican party away from rational people.
I certainly didn't take any offense. And, to an extent, I agree with your final sentence, although I think you'd probably agree that labeling the current GOPers as Birchers is more than a bit of an exaggeration.

Nevertheless, I'll admit I was pretty disgusted at one thing in particular that supports your point. Back when the 2012 GOP field was forming, my man Mitch Daniels (who was undecided about running at that point) merely suggested that perhaps the GOP ought to call a bit of a truce on social issues while it goes about addressing the far more important budgetary issues that will soon turn into a crisis. He made a great, rational argument....and a whole slew of conservatives -- many of whom I respected -- just flipped the f*** out. In retrospect, that comment probably doomed his candidacy, which he was certainly considering at the time. And yeah, that's a problem that has also contributed to my despair.

Of course, at the end of the day, none of that disgusts me as much as Obama, Reid, or Pelosi.

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I truly believe if the Republicans would ditch all of the social stuff they would be quite formidable. Particularly those who are serious about scaling back government spending, including military. Until then it is tough for people like me to take them seriously. Santorum and the like seem intent on making the GOP irrelevant by continuing to pander to a shrinking demographic. White evangelicals are on the way out. This country continues to become more diverse and the fastest growing religion is "no religion".

The catering to the rich/big business (real or perceived) and the bible thumping are why the GOP has a problem nationally, and in my opinion the bible thumping is the bigger part. As cities become more populous and rural areas continue to dry up this trend will continue until the GOP can change its image.

I know you and I agree on a lot of these social issues so I'm not speaking of you nor the numerous R's that also don't care about that stuff, but the GOP wanted to be the party of Morality and they worked hard to cultivate that image. Unfortunately for them the time for that strategy to work on a national level has passed but the label has stuck with them.

Posted: 1/25/2013 11:24 PM

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liberalism- its about liberty and equality ,civil rights ,free elections,freedom of speech

GUILTY !!! I would hate to think I wasnt

progressivism-advocating gradual social, political and economic reform

GUILTY !!! I would hate to think I wasnt


I can see why the GOP would be against this


ITS ANTI-SLAVERY !!!!!

jingoisom is my new 25cent word

Posted: 1/25/2013 11:48 PM

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conservatism- promotes retaining traditional social institutions its not so much a philosophy as an attitude , a constant force, performiong a timeless function in the development of free society,and corresponding to a deep and permanent requirement of human nature its self

-to retain

Posted: 1/25/2013 11:57 PM

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Nibiru wrote: conservatism- promotes retaining traditional social institutions its not so much a philosophy as an attitude , a constant force, performiong a timeless function in the development of free society,and corresponding to a deep and permanent requirement of human nature its self

-to retain
Nib, I have no use for the type of textbook definitions that have bothered me for 20+ years.

What might be more useful for you to look up is the term "Classical Liberal."

Contemporary liberals are responsible for hijacking an otherwise great word.
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