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Posted: 10/30/2009 2:57 PM

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DM said something about acquiring more 0-3 players to build around the core. i did a blog post and thought of five main guys that could fit that bill.

 

Chris Dickerson - OF

Seth Smith - OF

Travis Buck - OF

Jed Lowrie - SS/2B

Ian Kennedy - SP

 

any thoughts or any others?

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Posted: 10/30/2009 3:19 PM

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I kind of doubt the Red Sox would be willing to move Lowrie until they have their SS situation straightened out.  Will they stick with Gonzalez, try to sign Scutaro, trade for somebody else, give the job to Lowrie???  A lot of unknowns with Boston's SS situation.  Until it is straightened out, I don't think they move him until ST at the earliest unless they clearly get the better end of the deal.

 

One that still interests me is Mike Fontenot.  Had Fontenot been a super 2, the Cubs might have non-tendered him.  Since he is still pre-arb, they will hold on to him but he should be pretty easily attainable.  I have no idea where he would fit in with our infield and Callaspo (and Aviles, and Bloomie, and piece of crap), but I still like his potential and he's a decent defender at 2nd. 

 

 

 

I'd luuuv to get Chris Dickerson.

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Posted: 10/30/2009 3:23 PM

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I kind of doubt the Red Sox would be willing to move Lowrie until they have their SS situation straightened out.  Will they stick with Gonzalez, try to sign Scutaro, trade for somebody else, give the job to Lowrie???  A lot of unknowns with Boston's SS situation.  Until it is straightened out, I don't think they move him until ST at the earliest unless they clearly get the better end of the deal.

 

One that still interests me is Mike Fontenot.  Had Fontenot been a super 2, the Cubs might have non-tendered him.  Since he is still pre-arb, they will hold on to him but he should be pretty easily attainable.  I have no idea where he would fit in with our infield and Callaspo (and Aviles, and Bloomie, and piece of crap), but I still like his potential and he's a decent defender at 2nd.

 

 

I'd luuuv to get Chris Dickerson.

I'd also be cool with Fontenot.  I think I seem to be rumored that it was speculated that Teahen would be traded for Fontenot. 

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Posted: 10/30/2009 3:26 PM

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yeah i mentioned that about Lowrie in my post.

Fontenot I also think has good potential, but as you mentioned, where does he fit?

i think Smith would be my favorite. potential big bat that could hit right in the middle of the lineup. problem is he might have to be forced into RF where his mediocre arm would be exposed a bit. i don't see that as a huge problem though.
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Posted: 10/30/2009 3:29 PM

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firesticks wrote: yeah i mentioned that about Lowrie in my post.

Fontenot I also think has good potential, but as you mentioned, where does he fit?

i think Smith would be my favorite. potential big bat that could hit right in the middle of the lineup. problem is he might have to be forced into RF where his mediocre arm would be exposed a bit. i don't see that as a huge problem though.

He fits at short, and would solve the Yuni problem.  I'm a dreamer.

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Posted: 10/30/2009 3:39 PM

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firesticks wrote: yeah i mentioned that about Lowrie in my post.

Fontenot I also think has good potential, but as you mentioned, where does he fit?

i think Smith would be my favorite. potential big bat that could hit right in the middle of the lineup. problem is he might have to be forced into RF where his mediocre arm would be exposed a bit. i don't see that as a huge problem though.

living in Denver now, all I've heard is that the Rox are looking to trade Hawpe and give Smith his overdue shot at starting.  I'd love to have Smith but I don't think he's going anywhere.  The Rox are going to have one heck of an OF with Gonzalez/Fowler/Smith--young and cheap.

 

I'd love to dream about a new SS but we all know that we aren't acquiring one this offseason--hopefully Bianchi will be given his shot.

 

Ian Kenneedy--he's a guy I had forgotten about and would love to inquire about--not sure what the yanks would want

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Posted: 10/30/2009 3:49 PM

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J.R. Towles and Teagarden are two guys that have both been relegated to a AAA/backup catcher role for the foreseeable future.  And both lost a little luster on their prospect status after disappointing seasons.  I'd love to know what it would take for either one.

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Posted: 10/30/2009 4:49 PM

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Who exactly is the "core"? The only players I see as being the core is our Ace, our closer, and our three hole hitter. Everyone else is expendable.

IMO, much of our core still resides in the lower levels of the minor leagues. Any additions to the team I see as bridge players while the "core" is still developing in the minors.

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Posted: 10/30/2009 5:07 PM

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jayhawkroyal wrote:

Who exactly is the "core"? The only players I see as being the core is our Ace, our closer, and our three hole hitter. Everyone else is expendable.

IMO, much of our core still resides in the lower levels of the minor leagues. Any additions to the team I see as bridge players while the "core" is still developing in the minors.

That's pretty much just what what DM said.  This thread is in response to his "0-3" comment, meaning players who would be here for 3-6 years and therefore could also be a part of that "core". 

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Posted: 10/30/2009 5:21 PM

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If Akinori Iwamura is nontendered, I'd like to take a look at him.  But, as with some of these other options, I don't know where he fits... DM likes Callaspo -  but where would he play.

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Posted: 10/30/2009 6:38 PM

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It's going to definitely be a "reclamation project" year on our roster. Several of them, I bet. Because we're not dealing some of our big arm prospects, and we flat-out don't have any position prospects other than the #2 and #3 overall picks who cost us $10 MM between them.

Oh wait... Moore just traded another power arm for a speed merchant slap hitter.
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Posted: 10/30/2009 7:51 PM

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I like Fontenot as well, but, I don't see us being in on him.

 

I think DM keeps Callaspo and hopes that he can improve his defense, with the only place for him realistically on this team at 2B.

 

Right now, this is where I see things position player wise going into 2010:

 

DH = Guillen

1B = Butler

2B = Callaspo

SS = Betancourt or Aviles (with the other being the primary backup middle infielder)

3B = Gordon

LF = DeJesus

CF = Crisp (they give him the buyout and turn around and re-sign him to a one year deal with a mutual option for 2011)

 

Bench:

 

C = Pena

MI = Betancourt or Aviles

OF = Maier

IF/OF = Bloomquist

 

That would leave question marks in RF and starting C.

 

Teahen is DM's primary trade chip in the offseason.  Most likely getting dealt for a reliever.

 

Buck & Jacobs are non tendered.  DM declines Olivo's 2010 mutual option and offers him arbitration.  Olivo signs a two year deal elsewhere and we pickup a sandwich pick in the draft for the effort.

 

Kila remains in Omaha....with the hope of coming up in July when Guillen can be dealt (if he has a decent first half).

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Posted: 10/31/2009 8:44 AM

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Kila remains in Omaha....with the hope of coming up in July when Guillen can be dealt (if he has a decent first half).

I think we all know the odds of Guillen producing enough to be remotely attractive as a trade target are nil.  He'll be lucky to stay on the field at all, much less as a productive player.  My hope is that by midseason, the Royals will finally accept that Guillen is a sunk cost and release him.

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Posted: 10/31/2009 8:57 PM

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Jeremy Hermida is a guy I would be interested in and one who Florida is looking to trade.  His numbers so far are Teahenesque, but he had great numbers in the minors, has great plate discipline and was once a top prospect.

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Posted: 11/1/2009 6:53 PM

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RoyalMule wrote:

Jeremy Hermida is a guy I would be interested in and one who Florida is looking to trade.  His numbers so far are Teahenesque, but he had great numbers in the minors, has great plate discipline and was once a top prospect.


I really dont see how that helps us. As you say his numbers look like Teahen's and i think it was sticks that said he was a disaster in the field.... I dont see that being an upgrade of any kind. Especall if I have to  trade for him. Now if they non tender him and I could get him for nothing then maybe

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Posted: 11/2/2009 11:49 AM

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Personally I'd start off our search for achievable talent with our areas of "need".

In my book, these are (in no particular order) catcher, possibly 3b, and corner outfielders (more on that later). I agree with Royals1969 in a few of his picks:

DH = Guillen (hard to move this financial turd)
1B = Butler (He came through in '09. Let's see what he does in "10)
2B = Callaspo (His OBP keeps him in the lineup)
SS = Betancourt or Aviles (I think that Aviles will beat out Betancourt if he hits like he did in '08)
3B = Gordon ( He'll be 26 Y.O. and should have a better year at the plate. I believe we'll keep him one or two more years regardless.)
CF = Crisp (they give him the buyout and turn around and re-sign him to a one year deal with a mutual option for 2011)

I believe both Teahen & De Jesus should/will be traded. Teahen lacks power (he won't pull the ball) and DDJ lacks the power you may seek in a corner OF and if the next 2 years are rebuilding years, we may as well get a propect out of him that will be ready in 2011/12 and we can keep under contract. I also think that, come July, Guillen's marketable quality is his arm and not his bat. Let's hope he comes in looking for a big payday in 2011. Maier can play the corner OF and we probably can get a FA who can hit like a corner OF to play both RF (I'd preffer a CF with an above average arm like Dickerson) and LF like Mike Cameron or Gary Scheffield.
The reason why I'd trade Teahen is that he's hit well when he tries to pull the ball, but he eventually reverts back to hitting to the opposite field. That would be great if he was righthanded, but as a lefty it doesn't play well for him.

As to the players Firesticks mentioned, all the outfielders are worth a look at... Jed Lowrie is also a good prospect. Ian Kennedy is also a worthwhile pursuit.
Akinori Iwamura is 30. Enough said of him as a prospect.
Fontenot is interesting, but has been playing a lot of 3b recently.
Hermida does hit and appears to have an arm.

I see nothing wrong with trying to stock up on young players with some upside.
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Posted: 11/2/2009 1:50 PM

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firesticks wrote:

DM said something about acquiring more 0-3 players to build around the core. i did a blog post and thought of five main guys that could fit that bill.

 

Chris Dickerson - OF

Seth Smith - OF

Travis Buck - OF

Jed Lowrie - SS/2B

Ian Kennedy - SP

 

any thoughts or any others?


Think the yanks will take Teahen for Kennedy?

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Posted: 11/2/2009 2:21 PM

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firesticks wrote:

DM said something about acquiring more 0-3 players to build around the core. i did a blog post and thought of five main guys that could fit that bill.

 

Chris Dickerson - OF

Seth Smith - OF

Travis Buck - OF

Jed Lowrie - SS/2B

Ian Kennedy - SP

 

any thoughts or any others?


Think the yanks will take Teahen for Kennedy?


Maybe.  considering Damon is a free agent, maybe they make a deal for Teahen or DDJ to replace him?  They are proven big leaguers (despite whatever shortcomings they both have) and are cost effective...and yeah I know it's the Yankees, but I'm sure even they look for cost efficiency at times. 

 

Wouldn't be a bad idea to throw the offer out there. 

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Posted: 11/2/2009 3:24 PM

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If Akinori Iwamura is nontendered, I'd like to take a look at him.  But, as with some of these other options, I don't know where he fits... DM likes Callaspo -  but where would he play.


Pretty much a given he will not be back with the Rays.  They have Zobrist and Sean Rodriguez ready to go and need some payroll flexibility.

 

He is a great, great glove man.

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Posted: 11/2/2009 7:34 PM

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Brett Gardner maybe. great defense and not a terrible hitter. was worth 2.1 wins according to fangraphs in limited playing time.
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