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Dayton Moore = Incompetent

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Posted: 12/17/2013 11:56 PM

Dayton Moore = Incompetent 


Nothing groundbreaking here. We all know that Moore is an awful general manager, but this quote is simply more icing on the cake. This was posted in another thread, but I thought this deserved its own thread.




Really, Dayton? Anyone can go up and match a reasonable on base percentage? Well, ****, why haven't you been doing that all along then? 

"Tony Pena Jr, we need your on-base percentage to be .370."
"Emil Brown, we need your on-base percentage to be .370."
"Ross Gload, we need your on-base percentage to be .370."
"John Buck, we need your on-base percentage to be .370."
"Mike Aviles, we need your on-base percentage to be .370."
"Joey Gathright, we need your on-base percentage to be .370."
"Mark Teahen, we need your on-base percentage to be .370."
"Miguel Olivo, we need your on-base percentage to be .370."
"Yuniesky Betancourt, we need your on-base percentage to be .370."
"Mike Jacobs, we need your on-base percentage to be .370."
"Jose Guillen, we need your on-base percentage to be .370."
"Mitch Maier, we need your on-base percentage to be .370."
"Chris Getz, we need your on-base percentage to be .370."
"Alcides Escobar, we need your on-base percentage to be .370."
"Mike Moustakas, we need your on-base percentage to be .370."
"Jeff Francoeur, we need your on-base percentage to be .370."
"Jarrod Dyson, we need your on-base percentage to be .370."
"David Lough, we need your on-base percentage to be .370."
"Johnny Giavotella, we need your on-base percentage to be .370."

It's the easy, huh? OBP isn't a skill? 

Good lord. Fire this clown. Or should we wait another couple of years when this team tumbles back down to mediocrity when Shields is gone with no playoff appearances, and the rest of the old rotation in Vargas/Guthrie crumbles. Moore has to be PRAYING for Ventura, Duffy, and Zimmer to pan out.

Let's not forget that it's not overly difficult to build a "top ranked farm system" when you have top 5 picks every year for nearly a decade, so it's not like the improvements in the farm system really mean anything when there's been no real improvement in the big leagues besides one year - after trading your top prospect in Myers for 2 years of an ace and hitting the jackpot on a salary dump.

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Posted: 12/18/2013 12:43 AM

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Wow, you put a lot of energy into that post. I'm impressed.
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Posted: 12/18/2013 5:54 AM

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Media speak. Nothing more. It has zero effect
on the win/loss record.

Dumb choice of words? Absolutely.
Incompetent? Absolutely not.
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Posted: 12/18/2013 8:06 AM

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I feel like this is that famous Hitler clip and you haven't yet heard that Dayton was already signed to an extension.
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Nothing groundbreaking here. We all know that Moore is an awful general manager, but this quote is simply more icing on the cake. This was posted in another thread, but I thought this deserved its own thread.




Really, Dayton? Anyone can go up and match a reasonable on base percentage? Well, ****, why haven't you been doing that all along then? 

"Tony Pena Jr, we need your on-base percentage to be .370."
"Emil Brown, we need your on-base percentage to be .370."
"Ross Gload, we need your on-base percentage to be .370."
"John Buck, we need your on-base percentage to be .370."
"Mike Aviles, we need your on-base percentage to be .370."
"Joey Gathright, we need your on-base percentage to be .370."
"Mark Teahen, we need your on-base percentage to be .370."
"Miguel Olivo, we need your on-base percentage to be .370."
"Yuniesky Betancourt, we need your on-base percentage to be .370."
"Mike Jacobs, we need your on-base percentage to be .370."
"Jose Guillen, we need your on-base percentage to be .370."
"Mitch Maier, we need your on-base percentage to be .370."
"Chris Getz, we need your on-base percentage to be .370."
"Alcides Escobar, we need your on-base percentage to be .370."
"Mike Moustakas, we need your on-base percentage to be .370."
"Jeff Francoeur, we need your on-base percentage to be .370."
"Jarrod Dyson, we need your on-base percentage to be .370."
"David Lough, we need your on-base percentage to be .370."
"Johnny Giavotella, we need your on-base percentage to be .370."

It's the easy, huh? OBP isn't a skill? 

Good lord. Fire this clown. Or should we wait another couple of years when this team tumbles back down to mediocrity when Shields is gone with no playoff appearances, and the rest of the old rotation in Vargas/Guthrie crumbles. Moore has to be PRAYING for Ventura, Duffy, and Zimmer to pan out.

Let's not forget that it's not overly difficult to build a "top ranked farm system" when you have top 5 picks every year for nearly a decade, so it's not like the improvements in the farm system really mean anything when there's been no real improvement in the big leagues besides one year - after trading your top prospect in Myers for 2 years of an ace and hitting the jackpot on a salary dump.





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Posted: 12/18/2013 8:20 AM

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jerdrew22 wrote:

Dumb choice of words? Absolutely.
Incompetent? Absolutely not.

I agree.  Typical dumb Dayton-speak. 

Incompetence would be trotting Chris Getz out there for four years as your 2B, or signing Frenchy to a $15m contract, or bringing in Yuni as a middle infielder . . . twice, or allowing Kyle Davies to make 99 ML starts, or trading for Mike Jacobs, or stuff like that.
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Posted: 12/18/2013 8:26 AM

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WeaselTail wrote:
jerdrew22 wrote:

Dumb choice of words? Absolutely.
Incompetent? Absolutely not.

I agree.  Typical dumb Dayton-speak. 

Incompetence would be trotting Chris Getz out there for four years as your 2B, or signing Frenchy to a $15m contract, or bringing in Yuni as a middle infielder . . . twice, or allowing Kyle Davies to make 99 ML starts, or trading for Mike Jacobs, or stuff like that.
Yeah, Dayton would NEVER do that.
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Posted: 12/18/2013 8:30 AM

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DonaldEldridge wrote:
WeaselTail wrote:
jerdrew22 wrote:

Dumb choice of words? Absolutely.
Incompetent? Absolutely not.

I agree.  Typical dumb Dayton-speak. 

Incompetence would be trotting Chris Getz out there for four years as your 2B, or signing Frenchy to a $15m contract, or bringing in Yuni as a middle infielder . . . twice, or allowing Kyle Davies to make 99 ML starts, or trading for Mike Jacobs, or stuff like that.
Yeah, Dayton would NEVER do that.
Kyle Davies had that one good September and that one good April, so he was just about to put it together, or something.
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Posted: 12/18/2013 8:34 AM

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DonaldEldridge wrote:
WeaselTail wrote:
jerdrew22 wrote:

Dumb choice of words? Absolutely.
Incompetent? Absolutely not.

I agree.  Typical dumb Dayton-speak. 

Incompetence would be trotting Chris Getz out there for four years as your 2B, or signing Frenchy to a $15m contract, or bringing in Yuni as a middle infielder . . . twice, or allowing Kyle Davies to make 99 ML starts, or trading for Mike Jacobs, or stuff like that.
Yeah, Dayton would NEVER do that.
Kyle Davies had that one good September and that one good April, so he was just about to put it together, or something.

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Posted: 12/18/2013 8:39 AM

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Missing the point. If you want to call him out for
Getz, then do so. That arguement is a valid, on
the field, affecting wins/losses type of complaint.

Your rant is about a quote to the media, about
Infante OBPing .370. That will have no impact
on the win/loss record.

I admit, I don't despise DM the way some on here
do. I think he struggled early, but as he built
inventory, he has gotten better. He is now probably
a middle of the pack GM.

All GM's make mistakes. DM has as well. My point
is there is enough on field issues to be upset about.
I don't understand going ape nuts over a stupid
quote to the media.
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Posted: 12/18/2013 8:50 AM

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jerdrew22 wrote: Missing the point. If you want to call him out for
Getz, then do so. That arguement is a valid, on
the field, affecting wins/losses type of complaint.

Your rant is about a quote to the media, about
Infante OBPing .370. That will have no impact
on the win/loss record.

I admit, I don't despise DM the way some on here
do. I think he struggled early, but as he built
inventory, he has gotten better. He is now probably
a middle of the pack GM.

All GM's make mistakes. DM has as well. My point
is there is enough on field issues to be upset about.
I don't understand going ape nuts over a stupid
quote to the media.
In a small way, I feel like you won the world series with this post.
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Posted: 12/18/2013 8:56 AM

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nick05 wrote: Wow, you put a lot of energy into that post. I'm impressed.
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Posted: 12/18/2013 8:56 AM

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bored1



I've been on the Dayton Moore should be fired bandwagon since 2009, but that is entirely based on his actions (or lack of actions).  What he or any GM or manager says publicly means dick.  It's usually feel good nonsense fodder for the lowest common denominator baseball fan and I wish people would realize that and just ignore what they say and concentrate on what they do.



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Posted: 12/18/2013 8:57 AM

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I think organizational OBP is still a severe weakness. However there are signs afoot that they are starting to get it. And unless you think a player is a complete robot, then yes, a batter can change their approach and draw more walks. Particularly high contact rate guys like Infante. There's a difference between a player batting seventh and being told to drive the ball as an approach and a player batting 2nd who's being told to take some pitches.

Bonifacio is a clear example of a player who changed his approach and saw instant results.

In Toronto 218/258/321 13 walks in 282 PA
In KC 285/353/348 17 walks in 179 PA

If you watched the games, you can see that he was purposely taking pitches early in the count......he wasn't in Tor....clearly players who have the requisite talent (pitch recognition and hand eye coordination) AND who aren't afraid to strike out a bit more, can make this adjustment. Yea it's more talent than skill, but there's a skill and approach component too. Frenchy as an example is a guy who can't see pitches well enough and has been exposed. Escobar, IMO, is a stubborn SOB who's afraid to strike out. I don't think he values walks at all and would sooner try to hit his way on by swinging at the first close pitch he sees.

I'll bet infante, if he bats 2nd, WILL take more pitches and will draw more walks.....so it's not completely an dumb statement. At least he's including OBP now in his rhetoric, I don't think he would have 6 years ago....,,

 

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Posted: 12/18/2013 8:59 AM

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ElChupanibre wrote: bored1



I've been on the Dayton Moore should be fired bandwagon since 2009, but that is entirely based on his actions (or lack of actions).  What he or any GM or manager says publicly means dick.  It's usually feel good nonsense fodder for the lowest common denominator baseball fan and I wish people would realize that and just ignore what they say and concentrate on what they do.
See, ElChup here, came to RoyalsCurve with that homerun swing.
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Posted: 12/18/2013 9:06 AM

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I enjoy your contributions jerdrew.  But, why do all your posts format into skinny paragraphs or am I the only one seeing this?  Do you manually do that or are you copy pasting it in?  I don't not like it, just curious.
jerdrew22 wrote: Missing the point. If you want to call him out for
Getz, then do so. That arguement is a valid, on
the field, affecting wins/losses type of complaint.

Your rant is about a quote to the media, about
Infante OBPing .370. That will have no impact
on the win/loss record.

I admit, I don't despise DM the way some on here
do. I think he struggled early, but as he built
inventory, he has gotten better. He is now probably
a middle of the pack GM.

All GM's make mistakes. DM has as well. My point
is there is enough on field issues to be upset about.
I don't understand going ape nuts over a stupid
quote to the media.
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Posted: 12/18/2013 9:53 AM

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Most of the time I post from my phone at work.
If I don't use short lines, it cuts everything up
when I am quoted.

I am phone illiterate. If there is something I need
to set on my phone. I would be glad to. I've
noticed a few others that have the same problem.
I don't know how to fix it.
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Posted: 12/18/2013 9:57 AM

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jerdrew22 wrote: Most of the time I post from my phone at work.
If I don't use short lines, it cuts everything up
when I am quoted.

I am phone illiterate. If there is something I need
to set on my phone. I would be glad to. I've
noticed a few others that have the same problem.
I don't know how to fix it.
I also, am phone illiterate.

SOLIDARITY BROTHER!!!!!!!
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Posted: 12/18/2013 10:02 AM

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My god! Dont you people remember 2005?  2006?  How quickly we forget...yeah he makes some mistakes...but jesus!  Royals have come a long way....remember the days when a legit big league player wouldnt even consider playing here? 

I think overall he is doing a good job. Lets see how 2014 goes...

Now I remember why I quit posting here.....
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Posted: 12/18/2013 10:16 AM

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Do you think he has done better the last
couple of seasons or still as bad as ever?

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bored1



I've been on the Dayton Moore should be fired bandwagon since 2009, but that is entirely based on his actions (or lack of actions).  What he or any GM or manager says publicly means dick.  It's usually feel good nonsense fodder for the lowest common denominator baseball fan and I wish people would realize that and just ignore what they say and concentrate on what they do.

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Posted: 12/18/2013 10:35 AM

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Meinfarr wrote: My god! Dont you people remember 2005?  2006?  How quickly we forget...yeah he makes some mistakes...but jesus!  Royals have come a long way....remember the days when a legit big league player wouldnt even consider playing here? 

I think overall he is doing a good job. Lets see how 2014 goes...

Now I remember why I quit posting here.....
Good to see you back, Meinfarr! 

I think too many people are holding Dayton's early years against him too much.  When he started he:
  • was a rookie GM that was bound to make a few mistakes
  • had an awful farm system
  • had an owner that was at least somewhat meddlesome (we'll never know how much)
  • had an organization that had little respect from the players/GMs around MLB
  • had a hard time convincing players that they should come to KC without overpaying (and overpaying players on a low-budget team is the worst thing you can do)
  • had an owner that required the organization maintain some respectability (wasn't allowed to to lose 120 games for a couple years in order to further the organization for the future)


Since then, he:
  • earned the respect of other organizations (the Royals are no longer constantly in talks of contraction)
  • has built a top 10 (or top 5) farm system
  • earned the trust of ownership
  • turned a small-market team into a better than .500 team... and it looks like it will probably stay for awhile barring injuries - something that would cripple any small-market franchise
  • earned the reputation as someone that is extremely loyal (sometimes to a fault) - this is something the players are sometimes concerned about when deciding what team to sign with
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