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The Outfield

Posted: 12/15/2013 10:52 AM

The Outfield 


We are set for starters and appear to have one extra outfielder.  Add that with the fact that Bonafacio is a serviceable outfielder and the Royals appear to have a surplus of outfielders.

Dyson offers solid defense and great base running.
Maxwell offers average defense (though he didn't display it here) and considerable pop.
Lough offers solid defense and a serviceable bat.  The downside for him last yearwas his OBP is totally dependent on base hits.  He drew a very small number of walks.  The upside is he is to the outfield what Bonafacio is to the infielder.  He can play all 3 positions and is not an automatic out.  He's also under team control for another 4 years.

Which one has the most value to another team is obviously dependent on which team we trade him too, but the Royals should be able to package an outfielder to get a decent return.
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Posted: 12/15/2013 12:14 PM

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We could certainly deal one of them, if not two, assuming we keep Bonifacio.  Which one(s) to deal depends on the return, though I think I'd try to keep Maxwell because he offers an element the Royals are short of: RH power.  In addition to Cain, Aoki and Bonifacio could play CF at least for awhile, negating the need for Dyson.  Dyson is the one I deem the most expendable, particularly if Bonifacio stays around, because he could provide the late inning speed when needed.
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Posted: 12/15/2013 12:17 PM

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I'd like to keep Lough and Maxwell. That gives you both left and right handed bats on the bench who can contribute offensively, and could cover an outfield spot for a couple of weeks at least, if someone goes down to injury. Dyson.....not so much. You could ship him out for anything and I won't mind.
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Posted: 12/15/2013 12:19 PM

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I agree with the idea of keeping Maxwell.....I think you offer up Lough or Dyson and see which one offers the most in return.

Wouldn't surprise me if this ends up being a ST trade....with the idea of capitalizing on another team having an unexpected injury that forces them into making a better deal.
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Posted: 12/15/2013 12:32 PM

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The Royals certainly can deal an OF if they can get a good return.  But, I wouldn't mind having Lough or Dyson at AAA as a backup plan for if (more accurately, when) Cain gets injured.  Maxwell certainly brought some nice RH power off the bench, so I think he should stay unless the Royals acquire another RH power bat.  Dyson's speed is certainly a unique asset off the bench, so I tend to favor him over Lough (although Bonifacio could bring speed off the bench as well).  I probably wouldn't deal an OF just to get prospects back at this point.  But, if they are part of a package to upgrade the lineup or rotation, I'd certainly do it.
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Posted: 12/15/2013 12:59 PM

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ouweatherman wrote: The Royals certainly can deal an OF if they can get a good return.  But, I wouldn't mind having Lough or Dyson at AAA as a backup plan for if (more accurately, when) Cain gets injured.  Maxwell certainly brought some nice RH power off the bench, so I think he should stay unless the Royals acquire another RH power bat.  Dyson's speed is certainly a unique asset off the bench, so I tend to favor him over Lough (although Bonifacio could bring speed off the bench as well).  I probably wouldn't deal an OF just to get prospects back at this point.  But, if they are part of a package to upgrade the lineup or rotation, I'd certainly do it.
This has been covered so many times. I don't mean to be rude, but neither of them can be optioned back to the the minors. Both Dyson and Lough's option years are gone. They have to make the roster. And if we send them down they will be claimed by another team. We have to trade at least one of them. Nobody would mind having any of them in AAA the problem is they will not be. Maxwell can't be sent down either like a Getz situation. So the Royals have to ponder what do they value? They need the RHB of Maxwell and at least one of Lough/Dyson in case Cain gets hurt. Lough preferably for every day duty, but it would be nice to have Dyson's speed. So it is probably who fetches more in a trade. Also if Bono leaves then Dyson probably stays because they need a PR.

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Posted: 12/15/2013 1:32 PM

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Posted: 12/15/2013 8:09 PM

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I actually think two of Maxwell/Dyson/Lough need to be dealt. If they go forward with Bonifacio, he serves as the de-facto 5th OF. Assuming Butler stays, what this looks to coming down to is keeping all three OFs with Bonifacio vs. keeping one of them with Bonifacio and Christian Colon.

I'd rather have Colon. And of the three backup OFs, I'd definitely dump Dyson ASAP and then let Lough/Maxwell battle it out until late-March. Dyson is going to be 30, and it is not like Bonifacio and Lough are without some speed.
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Posted: 12/15/2013 8:42 PM

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I say keep all of them and then let Moustakas earn his way back onto the team in Spring Training.  If he doesn't hit and show any semblance of a work ethic like he has shown for most of his career, overall, ship his ass to AAA.
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Posted: 12/15/2013 9:33 PM

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we can let Maxwell/lough platoon at 3rd. since our bench will be a catcher and a bunch of OFers.
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Posted: 12/15/2013 10:27 PM

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Posted: 12/15/2013 11:13 PM

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jerdrew22 wrote: we can let Maxwell/lough platoon at 3rd. since our bench will be a catcher and a bunch of OFers.
No, Infante at 3B and Bonifacio at 2B, with a Lough-Maxwell platoon in RF.  Pretty simple.  Nice try.
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Posted: 12/16/2013 5:01 AM

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And if any of our IFers get hurt we can go with
Maxwell/lough at 3rd. Since we have NO back
up IFers on the bench.
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Posted: 12/16/2013 6:31 AM

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Lough throws left-handed. He can't play thirdbase. I've never heard of Maxwell playing infield.
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Posted: 12/16/2013 6:55 AM

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Royals1969 wrote: I agree with the idea of keeping Maxwell.....I think you offer up Lough or Dyson and see which one offers the most in return.

Wouldn't surprise me if this ends up being a ST trade....with the idea of capitalizing on another team having an unexpected injury that forces them into making a better deal.
Good point.  We might even be that team that suffers an injury and needs an extra body.

Ciriaco is a decent enough shortstop and could also play second, but I don't know that he has ever played the outfield.
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Posted: 12/16/2013 7:45 AM

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Exactly. But if nation wants to start moose in aaa
and keep lough, maxwell, dyson, and I assume a
catcher on the bench. Someone has to back up
the infield.

I agree with pinetar. We are not keeping 3 extra
OFers. I doubt that we keep 2. It's not practicle.
However, here is the scenerio that lets us start
with 2 back up OFers.

Start colon in aaa, since he has options. If Cain
gets hurt and goes on the DL, you call up colon.
You have kept lough for the short term.

If an infielder gets dinged, you have to call up
Colon. At some point we will need the 2nd back
up IFer. When we do the 5th OFer will have to
go.

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Lough throws left-handed. He can't play thirdbase. I've never heard of Maxwell playing infield.

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Posted: 12/16/2013 8:49 AM

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RoyalsNation wrote:
jerdrew22 wrote: we can let Maxwell/lough platoon at 3rd. since our bench will be a catcher and a bunch of OFers.
No, Infante at 3B and Bonifacio at 2B, with a Lough-Maxwell platoon in RF.  Pretty simple.  Nice try.
Where does Aoki play in your scenario?
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Posted: 12/16/2013 9:07 AM

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No team is going to trade anything for Lough/Dyson/Maxwell. Even if they are packaged together or with some other minor league fodder, nobody's trading for them. Teams that want them will wait until they get cut in Spring Training. I think it is as simple as that.
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Posted: 12/16/2013 9:09 AM

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If you package one of them, plus a RP and a decent prospect, you can land Fister according to Detroit standards.
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Posted: 12/16/2013 9:24 AM

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gregslaten wrote: No team is going to trade anything for Lough/Dyson/Maxwell. Even if they are packaged together or with some other minor league fodder, nobody's trading for them. Teams that want them will wait until they get cut in Spring Training. I think it is as simple as that.
We'll have to wait and see obviously....but, I disagree. I think any one of the three, could be a logical option as a backup OF on almost every team in the majors.

All three have something to bring to the table, that would interest most teams:

Dyson = outstanding speed, above average defender, 1.8 bWAR in 2013 & CHEAP salary.

Lough = above average defender, 2.7 bWAR in 2013 & CHEAP salary.

Maxwell = average defender, good pop in his bat, 109 OPS+ in 2013, approx 1 mil salary.

Not saying that we would get anything significant in exchange for any one of them, but, I think any of them will bring a return (not just a DFA candidate).
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