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Posted: 2/27/2013 8:55 AM
Colon get a fair shot?
So will Colon get a fair shot to play 2nd this year? I think I like him more than Giavotella now (probably because he's the new guy) This was an interesting article that really put giavotella's season into ugly perspective. Why not break camp with colon, tejada and Johnson? www.minorleagueball.com/2012/1...n-of-the-future(For the record, the Royals 2nd base options feel like the chiefs QB options last year) |
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Posted: 2/27/2013 9:08 AM
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ROY in PR Winter League this winter, hitting .301/.363 www.cbssports.com/mlb/players/...christian-colonHad a slash line of .301/.376/.413 last year in 85 games across 3 levels milbprospective.wordpress.com/...ersey-hes-worn/Just a utility player? touch.kingsofkauffman.com/king...68a84dc4bbcad/1 |
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Posted: 2/27/2013 9:46 AM
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I'm not sure where "fair shot" comes from, as if he's been blackballed by the organization or something. Ahead of him on the 2B depth chart is Chris Getz and Johnny. Yes, Chris Getz sucks. Gio, however, has made a mockery of AA/AAA and Colon hasn't come close to sniffing his jock in that regard. Why should Colon be considered an option before Gio? Slightly better defense & positional flexibility?
The question should be, when will Johnny get a 'fair shot?'
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Posted: 2/27/2013 9:48 AM
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The "fair shot" Colon deserves is to prove that he can hit in the minor leagues before he is handed the 2B job.
To this point, his minor league numbers aren't even as good as Getz's were, and they are a FAR cry from Gio's.
Colon had a 756 OPS in a hitter friendly texas league last year, as a 23 year old repeating the level. Couple that with the fact that he hasn't played a lot of 2B, and I see no reason to hand him the job.
He needs to go to AAA and prove himself a little more before I am worried about giving him a fair shot. As far as what he did in the PR winter league, that is nice, but how many MLB pitchers was he facing? (not many)
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Posted: 2/27/2013 10:27 AM
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Colon should get a fair shot when and if he proves he can hit Minor League pitching at a much better clip than he has to this point.
If he can tear up AAA this year I'll be a bit more optimistic about his future. Until I see that happening, I don't want him starting for the Royals ahead of a guy who actually HAS torn up every stop in the minors. Giavotella has nothing left to prove in the minors. Colon on the other hand hasn't put up a season that makes me even slightly optimistic that he's a major league hitter yet.
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Posted: 2/27/2013 10:29 AM
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I can't imagine them even giving Gia the job unless he mashes ST and plays Solid D in a convincing fashion PRIOR to the release-date for Getz to get the minimum amount of his tender.
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Posted: 2/27/2013 10:44 AM
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The article talks about Colon's elite plate discipline, which, to me discredits the author to an extent. While he walked more than he struck out last year (and don't get me wrong, that's fantastic), it is more a testament to his ability to make contact. His walk rate itself is actually pretty similar to what Giavotella displayed in the minors. Gio strikes out more, but he also makes far more solid contact than Colon. Colon just does it more often.
As others in this thread have said, Gio's inability to hit in the big leagues has been very disappointing, but he's been FAR better than Colon in the minor leagues. Colon may very well end up as a better big league player, but he hasn't done anything to deserve a "fair shot" just yet.
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Posted: 2/27/2013 11:01 AM
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Colon should get a fair shot...
..in Northwest Arkansas.
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Posted: 2/27/2013 11:02 AM
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Just to further underline the point, here are their respective minor league slash lines:
Colon .275/.341/.372 in 1202 PA's
Giavotella .308/.380/.443 in 2091 PA's
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Posted: 2/27/2013 11:15 AM
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Career minor league numbers:
Colon - AA (883 PA), .268/.339/.360
AAA (21 PA)
Giavotella - AA (597 PA), .322/.395/.460
AAA (921 PA), .331/.397/.477
Gio's minor league resume blows Colon's out of the water. You can't even argue that point with a straight face. Not only are his numbers far superior, Giavotella didn't have to repeat AA, and had already spent a full season in AAA in his age 23 season.
I'm not trying to bag on Colon here, but he needs to spend this year in Omaha solidifying his skills. I've beat this drum a million times, but Gio needs to get a serious chance in KC this year. And by serious chance I mean hand him the job & leave him alone. None of the, "Well, you get the month of April to hit the ground running and if not we're going to go to Getz" BS.
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Posted: 2/27/2013 11:19 AM
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DonaldEldridge wrote: Colon should get a fair shot...
..in Northwest Arkansas. He was hitting fine in Omaha before he got hurt. They're not going to send him to AA. |
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Posted: 2/27/2013 11:36 AM
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Giavotellas mashing in the minors probably has NOTHING to do with being older than everyone there.
I know he is a nice guy and a fan favorite, but he is never going to be an every day player. At best, he is Mike Aviles.
Colon was hurt when he first came up and has struggled with freak injuries ever since. Colon is never going to be a Derek Jeter, but I do see the Placido Polanco in him. His minors numbers to me, are very comparable to what I imagine he will be in the majors. He will or should be a consistent player at second. He will do what we expect. He's not going to be flashy but is very capable. Unfortunately for colon, he will have enormous expectations because of his draft pick. Had he been taken in the second round we would all be raving about his possibilities.
He needs a little more seasoning in AAA, no doubt. I think Getz was resigned to take second until colon is ready. Gia is not the future. Some may be upset about that, I'm not. Some guys are exceptional minors players and below average in the majors. Then other show average abilities in the minors and are exceptional in the majors (see Perez). I think colon fits somewhere in the middle.
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Posted: 2/27/2013 11:41 AM
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banker5 wrote: Giavotellas mashing in the minors probably has NOTHING to do with being older than everyone there. If this is your argument against Gio then it applies even more to Colon. Like I mentioned earlier, Giavotella turned 23 in his first full season in Omaha where he had 503 PAs and put up a .338/.390/.481 line (.871 OPS). Colon turned 23 last season and had to repeat AA (.756 OPS) and only got 21 ABs in AAA. At the same age, Colon is already behind the career arc of Giavotella and he's hit nowhere near as well.
Last edited 2/27/2013 12:00 PM by desertclone
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Posted: 2/27/2013 11:43 AM
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banker5 wrote: Giavotellas mashing in the minors probably has NOTHING to do with being older than everyone there.
I can't speak for the teams he was facing, but the only players younger than Gio when he was in AA that passed through NWA were Hosmer, Moose, Duffy, Lamb, and Montgomery. And unlike you, I can say with absolute certainty that being 22 at AA and 23 at AAA, Giavotella was definitely not "older than everyone there". |
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Posted: 2/27/2013 11:54 AM
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Colon needs more work, to put it simply.
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Posted: 2/27/2013 11:56 AM
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Older than the rest of the league?
Please, Google before you post.
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Posted: 2/27/2013 12:18 PM
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If he hits, and Gio/Getz dont Colon will be up. If he doesnt hit theyll be no need discussing
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Posted: 2/27/2013 1:13 PM
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Does anyone else wish the Royals would just make an announcement that someone is going to be the staring second basemen, no matter who it is? Just say, "This is our guy to start the season. The job is his." That might save us all a lot of time arguing about who it should be. Might.
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Posted: 2/27/2013 1:23 PM
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How can you ask if Colon will get a fair shot...
When Johnny G didn't even get a fair shot. My answer would definately be a ..."uh no".
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Posted: 2/27/2013 2:14 PM
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GregA wrote: Does anyone else wish the Royals would just make an announcement that someone is going to be the staring second basemen, no matter who it is? Just say, "This is our guy to start the season. The job is his." That might save us all a lot of time arguing about who it should be. Might. no it wouldn't They announce it and half of you bitch half of you like it... I say you because I dont care. I dont think either Gio nor Getz are the answer long term. Then we have 1000 threads through the year about how the current guy sucks and they should of went the other way |
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