Man it costs a lot of money for a very average second baseman.

I would gladly pay $3mm a year for a league average 2b who can hold his own at SS. Getz can't hit and is (at best) slightly above avg defensively.

Remember when we traded Aviles for no reason and got nothing back and now we have a gaping hole at 2b?

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--- gilmeche55 wrote:

Remember when we traded Aviles for no reason and got nothing back and now we have a gaping hole at 2b?

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Would you say it's a GETZing hole?

gilmeche55 wrote: Remember when we traded Aviles for no reason and got nothing back and now we have a gaping hole at 2b?

Getz, Giavotella, Colon, Falu. We have options... enough options that we don't have to waste energy fretting over another crappy player in Aviles.

gilmeche55 wrote: I would gladly pay $3mm a year for a league average 2b who can hold his own at SS. Getz can't hit and is (at best) slightly above avg defensively.

To be fair, if you want to characterize Getz as a player that can't hit then you'd have to say the same about Aviles at this point.  Here are their stats from last season...

Aviles .250/.282/.381, OPS+ 76
Getz   .275/.312/.360, OPS+ 85

Aviles had some solid years with the bat in KC, but he hasn't done much at the plate the last couple of seasons.  Your point about him playing a passable SS is valid though.

I'll just say that I'm glad Aviles will likely be starting for a division rival and leave it at that.  Kind of like when Teahen was a White Sux.

I like Aviles in general, but the vast majority of my arguments for playing him in the past centered around him being a cheap alternative with good upside.

Both of those no longer apply really, as he's no longer all that cheap and the upside question has been answered. He probably just is what he is.

I still root for him to do well and think he should have gotten us much more in trade than he did, but its tough for me to really mourn the loss too much at this point.

TorRoyal wrote: Man it costs a lot of money for a very average second baseman.

Grossly overestimate his ability. I'm somewhat pissed the Indians signed him, now I'm going to have to watch his POS batting stance another season.

desertclone wrote:

gilmeche55 wrote: I would gladly pay $3mm a year for a league average 2b who can hold his own at SS. Getz can't hit and is (at best) slightly above avg defensively.

To be fair, if you want to characterize Getz as a player that can't hit then you'd have to say the same about Aviles at this point.  Here are their stats from last season...

Aviles .250/.282/.381, OPS+ 76
Getz   .275/.312/.360, OPS+ 85

Aviles had some solid years with the bat in KC, but he hasn't done much at the plate the last couple of seasons.  Your point about him playing a passable SS is valid though.

Wow Aviles was worse last year than I thought.  I think the cheap option thing we have right now is better.

TorRoyal wrote:

desertclone wrote:

gilmeche55 wrote: I would gladly pay $3mm a year for a league average 2b who can hold his own at SS. Getz can't hit and is (at best) slightly above avg defensively.

To be fair, if you want to characterize Getz as a player that can't hit then you'd have to say the same about Aviles at this point.  Here are their stats from last season...

Aviles .250/.282/.381, OPS+ 76
Getz   .275/.312/.360, OPS+ 85

Aviles had some solid years with the bat in KC, but he hasn't done much at the plate the last couple of seasons.  Your point about him playing a passable SS is valid though.

Wow Aviles was worse last year than I thought.  I think the cheap option thing we have right now is better.

Yeah, if Aviles can get back to the guy who hits .300/.340/.430 or so while playing up the middle then he's a good guy to have on the roster.  But the last time he hit decently was the 100 ABs he got in Boston right after he was traded in 2011.  His time in KC in 2011 was bad & his year in Boston last year was not good either.

I'll always be a fan of his.  He's one of those guys who had to truly earn his promotion every single step of the ladder up through the minors.  It's hard not to pull for guys like that.

Aviles really has never been the same since hurting his elbow. He came back the next year and played pretty well(hit over .300) since then though its been down hill. Was his good rookie year. Was the 200 or so games pre and post surgrey just luck, and people caught on to his flaws? or did the surgery change him? Matter of opinion I guess. My feeling is there are so many holes on that swing the pitchers just caught up with him. I mean if you just pitch him up in the zone and on the outer half hed never get a hit.

ryansublett wrote: Aviles really has never been the same since hurting his elbow. He came back the next year and played pretty well(hit over .300) since then though its been down hill. Was his good rookie year. Was the 200 or so games pre and post surgrey just luck, and people caught on to his flaws? or did the surgery change him? Matter of opinion I guess. My feeling is there are so many holes on that swing the pitchers just caught up with him. I mean if you just pitch him up in the zone and on the outer half hed never get a hit.

I do root for a guy like Aviles who came up through the Royals system and started as one of KC's $1000 signing bonus draft pick.  I still can't believe how stupid they were back in those days.

Anyway, Aviles has really slipped over past few years.  Ryan, I do agree that elbow injury had something to do with it.  Glad to see he is with the Indians because KC will take advantage of him if he plays alot.  Right now, I just don't consider him a good player.

Getz 375 games, 2.2 war. Aviles 475 games, 7.6 war. Aviles can play SS and he is much, much tougher than Getz. Think of all the injuries Aviles played through, and then think of Getz being soft. Aviles is a lot better, still cheap, and could be a nice bat at the bottom of the order on this club right now

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Getz 375 games, 2.2 war. Aviles 475 games, 7.6 war. Aviles can play SS and he is much, much tougher than Getz. Think of all the injuries Aviles played through, and then think of Getz being soft. Aviles is a lot better, still cheap, and could be a nice bat at the bottom of the order on this club right now

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I'd take him over Getz.

I'd still rather play Gio over either though.

Is that so wrong?

gilmeche55 wrote: Getz 375 games, 2.2 war. Aviles 475 games, 7.6 war. Aviles can play SS and he is much, much tougher than Getz. Think of all the injuries Aviles played through, and then think of Getz being soft. Aviles is a lot better, still cheap, and could be a nice bat at the bottom of the order on this club right now

Kinda misleading. Aviles was a 4.4 WAR player his rookie year. Hes really not that player anymore. Is he better than Getz right now? maybe slightly. The gap isnt as big as I tink people would like to believe

Aviles is an easy guy to root for, and a great story.

But that guy's a total schizo as a ballplayer.  Streakiest guy ever.

He'd have great stretches, and he would also literally go over a month without an extra base hit (see August 2010 and May 2009).

I don't miss him at all, just like I won't miss Chris Getz when we finally rid ourselves of him as well.

gilmeche55 wrote: Getz 375 games, 2.2 war. Aviles 475 games, 7.6 war. Aviles can play SS and he is much, much tougher than Getz. Think of all the injuries Aviles played through, and then think of Getz being soft. Aviles is a lot better, still cheap, and could be a nice bat at the bottom of the order on this club right now

Might be nice to disclose that over HALF of Aviles' career WAR total, was from ONE season.....2008.

He's no longer the same player.

Take away that one above average season from FIVE years ago....and there's not that much difference between the two players....especially taking into consideration their respective salaries.

It is worth pointing out exactly how miraculous Aviles' story is.

Think about how rare it is for a college senior who signs his first professional contract for what is essentially the minimum of $1000 to one day wind up signing a multi-year, $6 million deal.

I'm guessing over 99 percent of those guys never sign a deal like that. Some -- like our Ryan Braun (not the good, cheating one) -- eventually make it to the big leagues and earn a couple of hundred thousand dollars before it's over.

But Aviles is now legitimately rich. He's set for life. And that's pretty awesome, even if I'm glad he's not on our team anymore. Good for him.