"Last year just flat-out sucked... why did we trade Myers?  You know, I'd probably say the same damn thing if I was on the outside looking in."

Amusing read, if for nothing else than Frenchy recognizing how bad he was, how unhappy the fans are with him, and complete with hilariously reiterative "best shape of my life, reworking my swing, will come out swinging" lines.

desertclone wrote: Is anybody else fearful that Frenchy rebounds to something approaching his 2011 season causing Dayton to ink him to something like a 3 year, $21 million deal? I want him to have a decent season next year because you just can't keep throwing a black hole in RF every day, but Francoeur needs to be on his merry way out of KC next fall.

Gbwoy wrote:

desertclone wrote: Is anybody else fearful that Frenchy rebounds to something approaching his 2011 season causing Dayton to ink him to something like a 3 year, $21 million deal? I want him to have a decent season next year because you just can't keep throwing a black hole in RF every day, but Francoeur needs to be on his merry way out of KC next fall.

I agree in general.  I don't want him to suck horribly, because that loses us games. 

But....what are we going to replace him with?  I don't see many other options coming up the pipeline.

In short...I see him getting inked to a deal even if he's not one of the worst position players in baseball next year.  Because while I might personally approve of something along the lines of Cain moving to RF and Dyson playing CF in 2014, I don't see any evidence that our GM shares my opinion.  I think he will still view Frenchy as a better option than anyone in the system.

I will agree that if he does somehow make a miraculous turnaround and put up truly good numbers, it will lead to more years and/or money.  But I doubt he will be out of here after 2013 unless he's close to as bad as he was in 2012.

Royals1969 wrote:

Gbwoy wrote:

desertclone wrote: Is anybody else fearful that Frenchy rebounds to something approaching his 2011 season causing Dayton to ink him to something like a 3 year, $21 million deal? I want him to have a decent season next year because you just can't keep throwing a black hole in RF every day, but Francoeur needs to be on his merry way out of KC next fall.

I agree in general.  I don't want him to suck horribly, because that loses us games. 

But....what are we going to replace him with?  I don't see many other options coming up the pipeline.

In short...I see him getting inked to a deal even if he's not one of the worst position players in baseball next year.  Because while I might personally approve of something along the lines of Cain moving to RF and Dyson playing CF in 2014, I don't see any evidence that our GM shares my opinion.  I think he will still view Frenchy as a better option than anyone in the system.

I will agree that if he does somehow make a miraculous turnaround and put up truly good numbers, it will lead to more years and/or money.  But I doubt he will be out of here after 2013 unless he's close to as bad as he was in 2012.

Agreed......

If he rebounds back to at or near his 2011 production level (119 OPS+/2.9 fWAR), then I think there's little doubt, that Moore will re-sign him.  Only question is....how long & how much.

If he comes closer to his 2012 production level (81 OPS+/-1.2 fWAR), then I don't see him returning.

Haven't checked yet, to see who's going to be available RF wise in free agency next offseason.

Gbwoy wrote:

desertclone wrote: Is anybody else fearful that Frenchy rebounds to something approaching his 2011 season causing Dayton to ink him to something like a 3 year, $21 million deal? I want him to have a decent season next year because you just can't keep throwing a black hole in RF every day, but Francoeur needs to be on his merry way out of KC next fall.

I agree in general.  I don't want him to suck horribly, because that loses us games. 

But....what are we going to replace him with?  I don't see many other options coming up the pipeline.

In short...I see him getting inked to a deal even if he's not one of the worst position players in baseball next year.  Because while I might personally approve of something along the lines of Cain moving to RF and Dyson playing CF in 2014, I don't see any evidence that our GM shares my opinion.  I think he will still view Frenchy as a better option than anyone in the system.

I will agree that if he does somehow make a miraculous turnaround and put up truly good numbers, it will lead to more years and/or money.  But I doubt he will be out of here after 2013 unless he's close to as bad as he was in 2012.

GregA wrote: Signing a guy with Frenchy's track record and skillset in his 30+ years, which is what you would get if he's extended, would be a gigantic blunder no matter how well he plays next year. I really don't think Moore is stupid enough to do that, but that might just be wishful thinking.

I think the best case scenario for this season is that Frenchy performs just well enough to not be a complete albatross and to be tradeable if we fall out of contention.

greewe wrote:

GregA wrote: Signing a guy with Frenchy's track record and skillset in his 30+ years, which is what you would get if he's extended, would be a gigantic blunder no matter how well he plays next year. I really don't think Moore is stupid enough to do that, but that might just be wishful thinking.

I think the best case scenario for this season is that Frenchy performs just well enough to not be a complete albatross and to be tradeable if we fall out of contention.

Yes, extending him would be a blunder. I'm not arguing that. But to cheer for anything less than a fantastic season from Frenchy is weird. If this team performs like it could, a great season from Frenchy could be the difference maker in the division race.

GregA wrote:

greewe wrote:

GregA wrote: Signing a guy with Frenchy's track record and skillset in his 30+ years, which is what you would get if he's extended, would be a gigantic blunder no matter how well he plays next year. I really don't think Moore is stupid enough to do that, but that might just be wishful thinking.

I think the best case scenario for this season is that Frenchy performs just well enough to not be a complete albatross and to be tradeable if we fall out of contention.

Yes, extending him would be a blunder. I'm not arguing that. But to cheer for anything less than a fantastic season from Frenchy is weird. If this team performs like it could, a great season from Frenchy could be the difference maker in the division race.

I agree with your point. However, we are a fanbase that has seen our GM make some really poor decisions. I think the belief is that Dayton has a soft spot for Frenchy and the only way that Moore will part ways with Frenchy is if he absolutely has no other choice.

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