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Fake pick off to 3rd is now a balk
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Posted: 1/27/2013 8:29 AM
Fake pick off to 3rd is now a balk
www.cbssports.com/mlb/story/21...-move-into-balkDid I miss something? Why am I two weeks late to hear about this? Did it just get released? I'm glad they changed the rule, tho. Never thought it was fair. I also don't think lefties should be able to throw to first mid-windup. But that's just me.
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Posted: 1/27/2013 12:07 PM
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Hadn't heard about it until now either....  Good change. |
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Posted: 1/27/2013 12:55 PM
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As Tosh O would say... FIRST!!!!!!!!
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Posted: 1/27/2013 2:17 PM
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Somewhere Steve Busby cries, I remember him as a pitcher who did that.
Fans who yell balk will finally get it right. Guys who always pull that reminds of someone who really doesn't want to face the batter. |
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Posted: 1/27/2013 2:48 PM
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--- Revisroyalsfan wrote:
Somewhere Steve Busby cries, I remember him as a pitcher who did that.
Fans who yell balk will finally get it right. Guys who always pull that reminds of someone who really doesn't want to face the batter.
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Exactly my thought!!! Busby used to be great at that move and would get several runners a year!
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Posted: 1/27/2013 2:54 PM
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good. it was always a balk
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Posted: 1/27/2013 3:02 PM
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--- ryansublett wrote:
good. it was always a balk
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Was it? By what definition?
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Posted: 1/27/2013 3:12 PM
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TompkinsIndustries wrote:
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--- ryansublett wrote:
good. it was always a balk
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Was it? By what definition? The rule book states that a pitcher cant get on the runner without the ball. They consider that "intent to deceive" and thus ruled a balk. Well if you cant deceive the base runners how can the fake to 3rd throw to first be legal? thats exactly what the pitcher is trying to do |
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Posted: 1/27/2013 5:39 PM
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ryansublett wrote:
TompkinsIndustries wrote:
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--- ryansublett wrote:
good. it was always a balk
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Was it? By what definition? The rule book states that a pitcher cant get on the runner without the ball. They consider that "intent to deceive" and thus ruled a balk. Well if you cant deceive the base runners how can the fake to 3rd throw to first be legal? thats exactly what the pitcher is trying to do This so-called "deception" does not need to be banned. Any runner on first who takes off deserves to be thrown out for being stupid. Even if he did throw to third, he's probably going to get nailed at second, so there's really no harm. |
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Posted: 1/27/2013 6:28 PM
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Northjayhawk wrote:
ryansublett wrote:
TompkinsIndustries wrote:
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--- ryansublett wrote:
good. it was always a balk
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Was it? By what definition? The rule book states that a pitcher cant get on the runner without the ball. They consider that "intent to deceive" and thus ruled a balk. Well if you cant deceive the base runners how can the fake to 3rd throw to first be legal? thats exactly what the pitcher is trying to do This so-called "deception" does not need to be banned. Any runner on first who takes off deserves to be thrown out for being stupid. Even if he did throw to third, he's probably going to get nailed at second, so there's really no harm. thats true, but you cant ban deception in one form, but allow it in others. if deception is considered a balk then it has to be in all forms not just what you pick and choose it to be |
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Posted: 1/27/2013 10:01 PM
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ryansublett wrote:
Northjayhawk wrote:
ryansublett wrote:
TompkinsIndustries wrote:
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--- ryansublett wrote:
good. it was always a balk
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Was it? By what definition? The rule book states that a pitcher cant get on the runner without the ball. They consider that "intent to deceive" and thus ruled a balk. Well if you cant deceive the base runners how can the fake to 3rd throw to first be legal? thats exactly what the pitcher is trying to do This so-called "deception" does not need to be banned. Any runner on first who takes off deserves to be thrown out for being stupid. Even if he did throw to third, he's probably going to get nailed at second, so there's really no harm. thats true, but you cant ban deception in one form, but allow it in others. if deception is considered a balk then it has to be in all forms not just what you pick and choose it to be You have to draw a line at some point. A pitchout could be considered "deception", too. We're not going to outlaw the pitchout. If a pitcher makes the throwing motion, as in the complete motion of throwing the ball overhanded to a base but doesn't let go of the ball, THAT is deception and has always been ruled a balk. Merely stepping off, raising the ball, looking one way and then another? Oh, come on, now.
Last edited 1/27/2013 10:01 PM by Northjayhawk
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Posted: 1/28/2013 12:08 PM
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Then they should outlaw catchers from making a fake move to pick off a runner. Stupid rule change.
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Posted: 1/28/2013 12:16 PM
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I think this is a good rule change. I've rarely seen it work so it effectively just extends the length of the at bat and the overall game. This is a good measure to help the game move along.
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Posted: 1/28/2013 12:46 PM
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Just another advantage to LHP here.
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Posted: 1/28/2013 2:05 PM
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The 3-1 move gets a bad rap. If a guy gives a damn about it and puts in the time and practice to have a good one, that can be a really effective way to control the running game. 3-1 moves in running counts neutralize the jump a guy can get, and in possible bunting situations is a great way to see if a batter will tip his hand.
Personally, I think the outcry over the move is pretty silly. MLB is more concerned about stopping this 3-1 move than it is about getting (monitored/regulated) replay to get calls right. Also, I wonder if it'll have any bearing on the inside move to 2nd down the road. Pretty similar concept...
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Posted: 1/28/2013 10:43 PM
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FrankyFourFingers wrote: I think this is a good rule change. I've rarely seen it work so it effectively just extends the length of the at bat and the overall game. This is a good measure to help the game move along. I'm all for moving the game along, but surely there are about 100 ways to accomplish that better than this rule change. It rarely works. It doesn't fool anyone. And it probably happens less than twice per game. If faster play is the goal.... limit all the fidgeting and nut scratching and brow-wiping that pitchers are allowed to do on the mound. |
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Posted: 1/28/2013 10:54 PM
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If you want to speed up the game limit the throws a pitcher can have at 1b somehow. Some pitchers(Bruce Chen comes to mind) get a little carried away with the throws over to 1b
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Posted: 1/29/2013 11:06 AM
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Also limit the number of times a batter can step out of the box to adjust batting gloves, cup, etc.
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Posted: 1/29/2013 11:14 AM
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5 minutes to warm up between every 1/2 inning is kind of unnecessary as well.
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Posted: 1/29/2013 11:19 AM
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mpf8888 wrote: 5 minutes to warm up between every 1/2 inning is kind of unnecessary as well. I think a lot of that has to do with TV/radio advertising and thats what pays the bills in the MLB now a day's, so I think that will stay as is for the rest of time. codylshs wrote: I'm right about everything else so it is as good as done..case closed
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