Hey, Rany writes interesting articles, has a nice authoritative voice on radio, seems to really like the Royals but really really hates Royal management. That said, it is still no excuse to be so slanted and inaccurate. In his last real blog on 'Rany on the Royals' he again makes note of a totally inaccurate fact,
in it he states " I’d like to set the stage for this post with a brief review of the history of Dayton Moore at the Winter Meetings over the years, his successes (Joakim Soria, Gil Meche), his failures (pretty much everything else),...But you know what? We don’t have time for that"

He leaves the impression that Moore has done a horrible job, again without providing any facts. Let's look at the history and you decide for yourself.

 http://www.ranyontheroyals.com...-ra-dickey.html

Dayton Moore joined the Royals in June of 2006. The winter meetings that year started on Dec 3, 2006. On Dec 6, the following trade was made...

The Royals traded Ambiorix Burgos to the Mets for Brian Bannister. Bannister had a few good years with the Royals, Burgos did nothing and landed in jail.  Rany, per his blog above, counted it as one of Dayton's failure, everyone else on the planet called it a winner. 

In Dec 2007, setting the following trade during the winter meetings, right after the meetings, the Royals traded Billy Buckner  to the Dbacks for Alberto Callaspo. Callaspo had a real good year for the Royals the following year and now starts for LA at 3rd base. Buckner is nowhere to be found.

Another win for Dayton.

In Dec 2008, nothing of note happen trade wise. The royals did get cash for a nobody (Jose Lugo).  You can't count that as a  failure for Dayton.

In Dec 2009  no trades                                                                            

Following the winter meetings in 2010, the Royals made their big trade, Greinke to the Brewers for Escobar, Lorenzo Cain, Jefferies, and Odorizzi.
Greinke forced the Royals hand in wanting to be traded and possibly not playing. The Royals got two starters out of that and used one as trade bait for this year's trade with Tampa bay to get Shields and Davis.

In Dec 2011 nothing of note happened.  Lower level minor league deals with Pirates and Yankees. This also can't be called a failure.

In other words, Dayton hasn't had a failure yet dealing at the Winter Meetings yet Rany gives the impression he has been horrible as he states in his stated blog regarding the winter meetings  "his failures (pretty much everything else)"

You can make your own conclusions.

MightyKCMo wrote: 
You can make your own conclusions.

Can't I just look at the actual conclusion that every team in the AL has had a winning record since Dayton took over and he still seems to do a horrible job of allocating what little payroll he has to spend?

MightyKCMo wrote: Hey, Rany writes interesting articles, has a nice authoritative voice on radio, seems to really like the Royals but really really hates Royal management. That said, it is still no excuse to be so slanted and inaccurate. In his last real blog on 'Rany on the Royals' he again makes note of a totally inaccurate fact,
in it he states " I’d like to set the stage for this post with a brief review of the history of Dayton Moore at the Winter Meetings over the years, his successes (Joakim Soria, Gil Meche), his failures (pretty much everything else),...But you know what? We don’t have time for that"

He leaves the impression that Moore has done a horrible job, again without providing any facts. Let's look at the history and you decide for yourself.

 http://www.ranyontheroyals.com...-ra-dickey.html

Dayton Moore joined the Royals in June of 2006. The winter meetings that year started on Dec 3, 2006. On Dec 6, the following trade was made...

The Royals traded Ambiorix Burgos to the Mets for Brian Bannister. Bannister had a few good years with the Royals, Burgos did nothing and landed in jail.  Rany, per his blog above, counted it as one of Dayton's failure, everyone else on the planet called it a winner. 

In Dec 2007, setting the following trade during the winter meetings, right after the meetings, the Royals traded Billy Buckner  to the Dbacks for Alberto Callaspo. Callaspo had a real good year for the Royals the following year and now starts for LA at 3rd base. Buckner is nowhere to be found.

Another win for Dayton.

In Dec 2008, nothing of note happen trade wise. The royals did get cash for a nobody (Jose Lugo).  You can't count that as a  failure for Dayton.

In Dec 2009  no trades                                                                            

Following the winter meetings in 2010, the Royals made their big trade, Greinke to the Brewers for Escobar, Lorenzo Cain, Jefferies, and Odorizzi.
Greinke forced the Royals hand in wanting to be traded and possibly not playing. The Royals got two starters out of that and used one as trade bait for this year's trade with Tampa bay to get Shields and Davis.

In Dec 2011 nothing of note happened.  Lower level minor league deals with Pirates and Yankees. This also can't be called a failure.

In other words, Dayton hasn't had a failure yet dealing at the Winter Meetings yet Rany gives the impression he has been horrible as he states in his stated blog regarding the winter meetings  "his failures (pretty much everything else)"

You can make your own conclusions.

Nothing personal, but this is one of the biggest loads of BS I've ever read on this site.

Kinda hard to read the truth, isn't it. It's all factual, check it out

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--- MightyKCMo wrote:

Kinda hard to read the truth, isn't it. It's all factual, check it out

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Its sad to me that you equate "factual" with "truth".

Sad.

What in the post isn't true?

We get it.  You don't like Rany because he is critical of Dayton.  Good thread.

MightyKCMo wrote: Kinda hard to read the truth, isn't it. It's all factual, check it out

I checked and the Royals have been pretty bad every year under Dayton.

Hey, I like reading Rany...when he doesn't go over the wall. What I don't like is anybody going overboard and slating his opinions with inaccuracies.

MightyKCMo wrote: What in the post isn't true?

"Dayton hasn't had a failure at the winter meetings"

You seemed to forget that he signed Guillen for 3/36 at the Winter Meetings in 2007. Rany said it was a disaster, and it was. And the Royals kept losing. And Dayton Moore was involved, I think.

MightyKCMo... we got it. You're a huge Dayton Moore apologist. So anyone who says they felt we overpaid in the trade or that Moore has not been successful as a GM (outside building a farm system - no one disagrees there) is just a crackhead?

But is there much difference between those people and you / the way you acted the first 48 hours after the deal around here? For you, it was as if Jesus Christ himself was dealt to us with Mohammed for 4 blind double-amputees...

Actually this post was more about Rany and less about Dayton. As for the trade, I was around when the Royals won in 1985. For me, it's time to try to win in 2013 and 2014. I tired for hearing "Royals will be good in another two years". I, like everyone else, wished we still had Myers but in the Royals eyes that is what it took to get the frontline pitching the Royals badly needed.

What position does Jesus play?

Duraflame wrote: MightyKCMo... we got it. You're a huge Dayton Moore apologist. So anyone who says they felt we overpaid in the trade or that Moore has not been successful as a GM (outside building a farm system - no one disagrees there) is just a crackhead?

But is there much difference between those people and you / the way you acted the first 48 hours after the deal around here? For you, it was as if Jesus Christ himself was dealt to us with Mohammed for 4 blind double-amputees...

nyhusker2004 wrote: What position does Jesus play?

Duraflame wrote: MightyKCMo... we got it. You're a huge Dayton Moore apologist. So anyone who says they felt we overpaid in the trade or that Moore has not been successful as a GM (outside building a farm system - no one disagrees there) is just a crackhead?

But is there much difference between those people and you / the way you acted the first 48 hours after the deal around here? For you, it was as if Jesus Christ himself was dealt to us with Mohammed for 4 blind double-amputees...

nyhusker2004 wrote: What position does Jesus play?

Duraflame wrote: MightyKCMo... we got it. You're a huge Dayton Moore apologist. So anyone who says they felt we overpaid in the trade or that Moore has not been successful as a GM (outside building a farm system - no one disagrees there) is just a crackhead?

But is there much difference between those people and you / the way you acted the first 48 hours after the deal around here? For you, it was as if Jesus Christ himself was dealt to us with Mohammed for 4 blind double-amputees...

Center. Obviously.

Fact: those trades did happen
Fact: those trades have not resulted in a winning record
Fact: DM has signed free agents like Jose Guillen, Gil Meche, and Yuni
Fact: Teams with the #1 ranked farm system have made the playoffs within 5 years (from memory, feel free to check me)
Fact: Wil Myers et al was traded for Shields et al
Fact: Nobody knows what 2013 and beyond will bring
Fact: negative blogs/media have more readers than positive ones

Sometimes 'bad' trades turn out for the good. Take Melky Cabrera. Royals trade Cabrera to SF for J Sanchez and Ryan Verdugo... but that allows us to trade Sanchez for J. Guthrie.... and Royals just signed Guthrie to 3yr/25mil... so at this point it's looks more than a win.. who knows what the future will provide

Fact:  Royals get four starting pitchers (Shields, Santana, Davis, Guthrie)  potentially better than anyone they had at the start last year without giving up anyone on the major league club. Not bad for a small market team and for a GM  who has a smaller budget to work with than most other teams.

guit145 wrote: Fact: those trades did happen
Fact: those trades have not resulted in a winning record
Fact: DM has signed free agents like Jose Guillen, Gil Meche, and Yuni
Fact: Teams with the #1 ranked farm system have made the playoffs within 5 years (from memory, feel free to check me)
Fact: Wil Myers et al was traded for Shields et al
Fact: Nobody knows what 2013 and beyond will bring
Fact: negative blogs/media have more readers than positive ones

" Do today what others won't, so tomorrow you can do what others can't."
Kyle Zimmer  , royal prospect  on twitter

.Duraflame wrote: MightyKCMo... we got it. You're a huge Dayton Moore apologist. So anyone who says they felt we overpaid in the trade or that Moore has not been successful as a GM (outside building a farm system - no one disagrees there) is just a crackhead?

But is there much difference between those people and you / the way you acted the first 48 hours after the deal around here? For you, it was as if Jesus Christ himself was dealt to us with Mohammed for 4 blind double-amputees...

Two different issues:

Has DM failed at the winter meetings?  Answer:  No

Has DM failed to produce a winning team in KC?  Answer:  Yes

DM has so far failed at his primary responsibility of creating a winning baseball team.  It's way too easy, and lazy, to argue that he's failed at "pretty much everything else," including how he's handled the winter meetings. 

He's done a good job with the farm system, his trades have generally been okay, AFAIK he hasn't gotten rid of any prospects who went on to have great ML careers (Myers may be the exception, but who knows), etc.  In fact, on paper other than a slew of stupid FA signings, he hasn't done a terrible job.  But he's in a results-based business (although you wouldn't know it in KC) and his results at the ML level have been terrible.