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Mavs Donuts: A Major Change In Philosophy?

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Posted: 8/27/2014 8:13 AM

Mavs Donuts: A Major Change In Philosophy? 


Mark Cuban with Draft Words our D-Lord has longed to hear ..

 

Mavs Donuts: A Major Change In Philosophy? http://mavericks.scout.com/story/1402951-donuts-mavs-draft-words-i-ve-longed-to-hear?s=268





EDIT: Link fixed

Last edited 8/27/2014 1:25 PM by DLordOfBasketball

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Posted: 8/27/2014 8:18 AM

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Thank you for the deliciously interesting donuts Mr. Mike Fisher!
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Posted: 8/27/2014 11:17 AM

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Getting a 404 error on that link...
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Posted: 8/27/2014 11:26 AM

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Posted: 8/27/2014 11:33 AM

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DirksKnee wrote: Getting a 404 error on that link...
You can read it by going to the front page. That has been happening a lot to me lately. I cannot read Fish's forum links.
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Posted: 8/27/2014 11:50 AM

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"We've just missed. We always try to re-evaluate. ... I can make the excuse that we haven't had a high draft pick or the draft wasn't very good. It still doesn't matter. Since Devin, we haven't had a lot of successes.''
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Posted: 8/27/2014 12:59 PM

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good stuff from DL!
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Posted: 8/27/2014 3:56 PM

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"We've just missed. We always try to re-evaluate. ... I can make the excuse that we haven't had a high draft pick or the draft wasn't very good. It still doesn't matter. Since Devin, we haven't had a lot of successes.''
 
 
 
Wonder if Jae Crowder read this article.




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Posted: 8/27/2014 4:00 PM

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dcon4mavs wrote:
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"We've just missed. We always try to re-evaluate. ... I can make the excuse that we haven't had a high draft pick or the draft wasn't very good. It still doesn't matter. Since Devin, we haven't had a lot of successes.''
 
 
 
Wonder if Jae Crowder read this article.
He's free to consider himself one of the few successes. biggrin
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Posted: 8/27/2014 5:14 PM

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Nice sweet holey pastries Mr. Lord.

It is surprising that someone as competitive as cubes would take a dive and go through the motions of such an important aspect of building a team.

Heck I think I spent more time putting together my fantasy football team than the Mavs did on drafting. They should have just left it on autopick.
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Posted: 8/27/2014 6:03 PM

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For the record

Though it didn't tell me anything that I wasn't already convinced was true, I appreciate the confession by Cuban. Unfortunately, this isn't the first one we've heard. Each time, we hear that "Previously we didn't take this stuff seriously. But NOW (!!!!) we get it and things will be different."

We heard it in 2012 BEFORE they traded down to save a few bucks and took Cunningham (gone within a year, with a pick attached to get someone to take him).
We heard it in 2013 BEFORE they traded down to save a few bucks, and let the Bucks grab the Greek Freak while they were left with Larkin (gone within a year).
We heard it in 2014 BEFORE they traded away all their picks (and Larkin too) in a trade with the Knicks.
And now we're hearing it BEFORE the 2015 draft comes around.

Can't just talk the talk, ya gotta walk the walk. If you think the draft matters, your actions will show it. I'm encouraged by what I'm hearing, but at the same time unconvinced it will matter on draft day until I see something new on draft day.
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Posted: 8/27/2014 6:40 PM

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Ah the words of Renaldus Maximus are always words to live by.
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Posted: 8/27/2014 8:30 PM

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Are they going to bring some FO talent to help improve the drafting.
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Posted: 8/27/2014 9:21 PM

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AH! These new forums are weird looking....

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Posted: 8/27/2014 10:59 PM

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Finally -- Cuban's admitting to what most of us have known all along. The Mavs treat the draft as a joke and their level of effort \ success is pitiful. Especially when they are so good in so many other areas.

As I've said before, the Mavs are the ONLY team in the entire NBA without a player in the All-Star Rookie\Sophomore game since 2007. Since 2007, every other team has had at least one player represented. Most have had multiple players represented. This includes teams that have won championships since 2007, like the Lakers, Spurs, Heat, etc.

The draft position is the most bogus argument I have heard. Everyone else seems to find players in the late 1st round or 2nd round except for us. Because the Mavs as a team simply didn't take the draft seriously.
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Posted: 8/27/2014 11:05 PM

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DLordOfBasketball wrote: For the record

Though it didn't tell me anything that I wasn't already convinced was true, I appreciate the confession by Cuban. Unfortunately, this isn't the first one we've heard. Each time, we hear that "Previously we didn't take this stuff seriously. But NOW (!!!!) we get it and things will be different."

We heard it in 2012 BEFORE they traded down to save a few bucks and took Cunningham (gone within a year, with a pick attached to get someone to take him).
We heard it in 2013 BEFORE they traded down to save a few bucks, and let the Bucks grab the Greek Freak while they were left with Larkin (gone within a year).
We heard it in 2014 BEFORE they traded away all their picks (and Larkin too) in a trade with the Knicks.
And now we're hearing it BEFORE the 2015 draft comes around.

Can't just talk the talk, ya gotta walk the walk. If you think the draft matters, your actions will show it. I'm encouraged by what I'm hearing, but at the same time unconvinced it will matter on draft day until I see something new on draft day.
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Posted: 8/27/2014 11:13 PM

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abe5150 wrote

As I've said before, the Mavs are the ONLY team in the entire NBA without a player in the All-Star Rookie\Sophomore game since 2007. 

The horror!

The Mavs are one of four teams in the league that has won an NBA championship since 2007. One of five since 1999. 

But having a player in the All-Star Rookie/Sophomore game -- that's the thing that matters.
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Posted: 8/28/2014 12:00 AM

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Spend money buy picks increase your odds and you can get by with a mistake every once in a while. Never trade down and always pick the best available talent, that being said when will we have a team that needs to develop a rookie? I mean if you do have a pick and a position to put them what good is it if they will never play much before Dirk retires. After Dirk retires we can steal a FA PF from someone. Maybe Aldridge or Greg Monroe next season. Adding developing rookies is a PITA. Aminu and Smith came cheap enough and might develop into something. Ledo is still there getting better, Mekel is a big bust that if we keep telling ourselves he has potential may develop, Who am I kidding on that last one he sucks and we have 3 vets, would always be better to steal a Dragic and overpay some day when he turns unrestricted. Wheeling and dealing is the way to do things and Cuban is well aware of that but when we can't get a decent back up 5 and they sign Sarge again it speaks to this issue and maybe if we did draft a 5 with a purchased 2nd rounder we could fill that hole we have without using a guy that many thought was garbage last season. Not sure what that Tavares kid will be like but we probably could have wheeled and dealed our way into the draft to snag someone like him. We got nothing to show for the entire draft and it was suppose to be the best in years. I will be extremely PO if that undrafted big 7'5" guy develops into anything up in SAC or that 7'2" kid from AZ ditto.
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Posted: 8/28/2014 7:08 AM

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DLordOfBasketball wrote: For the record

Though it didn't tell me anything that I wasn't already convinced was true, I appreciate the confession by Cuban. Unfortunately, this isn't the first one we've heard. Each time, we hear that "Previously we didn't take this stuff seriously. But NOW (!!!!) we get it and things will be different."

We heard it in 2012 BEFORE they traded down to save a few bucks and took Cunningham (gone within a year, with a pick attached to get someone to take him).
We heard it in 2013 BEFORE they traded down to save a few bucks, and let the Bucks grab the Greek Freak while they were left with Larkin (gone within a year).
We heard it in 2014 BEFORE they traded away all their picks (and Larkin too) in a trade with the Knicks.
And now we're hearing it BEFORE the 2015 draft comes around.

Can't just talk the talk, ya gotta walk the walk. If you think the draft matters, your actions will show it. I'm encouraged by what I'm hearing, but at the same time unconvinced it will matter on draft day until I see something new on draft day.
For the record:

Who do you think the Mavs should have taken in 2012 instead of Cunningham, James, and Crowder?
Yes, 2013 was aggravating
So you think the Mavs should have passed on trading for Chandler and kept Larkin? Is that what you're saying?
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Posted: 8/28/2014 8:29 AM

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Mythago wrote:
DLordOfBasketball wrote: For the record

Though it didn't tell me anything that I wasn't already convinced was true, I appreciate the confession by Cuban. Unfortunately, this isn't the first one we've heard. Each time, we hear that "Previously we didn't take this stuff seriously. But NOW (!!!!) we get it and things will be different."

We heard it in 2012 BEFORE they traded down to save a few bucks and took Cunningham (gone within a year, with a pick attached to get someone to take him).
We heard it in 2013 BEFORE they traded down to save a few bucks, and let the Bucks grab the Greek Freak while they were left with Larkin (gone within a year).
We heard it in 2014 BEFORE they traded away all their picks (and Larkin too) in a trade with the Knicks.
And now we're hearing it BEFORE the 2015 draft comes around.

Can't just talk the talk, ya gotta walk the walk. If you think the draft matters, your actions will show it. I'm encouraged by what I'm hearing, but at the same time unconvinced it will matter on draft day until I see something new on draft day.
For the record:

Who do you think the Mavs should have taken in 2012 instead of Cunningham, James, and Crowder?
Yes, 2013 was aggravating
So you think the Mavs should have passed on trading for Chandler and kept Larkin? Is that what you're saying?

I for one wonder if we really needed to give up our second round picks in order to land Chandler. Cleanthony Early would have been a real nice addition.
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