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Wright all-time franchise leader in multiple stat categories

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Posted: 8/25/2014 4:10 PM

Wright all-time franchise leader in multiple stat categories 


From Mavs.com:

Just how efficient is the Mavs’ backup center? After three seasons in Dallas, Wright is the franchise’s all-time leader in four major offensive categories and is second in two more significant areas. Just look at the numbers below. Not only is Wright in first place on these lists. He’s in first by a mile.

Stat Wright Second Place
FG% 62.9% 59.1%
TS% 64.3% 61.1%
eFG% 62.9% 59.2%
Off Rating 126.2 118.1

What’s more, Wright trails only Nowitzki in career PER and win shares per 48 minutes — the first number measures efficiency while the second approximates a player’s value.

Stat Nowitzki Wright Third Place
PER 23.5 22.1 20.8
WS/48 .208 .203 .154

...The catch-and-shoot strategy with Wright also limits his turnovers. The big man has the best career turnover percentage in team history — his 7.6 percent mark sits ahead of second-place Nowitzki’s 8.8 percent. Again, having big men who can consistently catch the ball and get a shot off without turning it over is nearly an unquantifiable luxury, but in Wright’s case you can at least start with wins and losses to gauge his value. When he played last season, Dallas was 36-22. In games he played in that Dallas won, the team put up a 116.6 offensive rating and an equally impressive 101.2 defensive rating while he was on the floor.

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The article goes deeper into analysis about why and how Wright is so efficient in limited minutes, including that Carlisle uses him in ways to maximize his effectiveness. But all this should be food for thought for those who find Wright expendable.
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Posted: 8/25/2014 4:26 PM

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Cherry picking stats don't tell the whole story. I give it a couple of minutes until someone likely will post his rebounding-numbers to put the discussion to another extreme. This time a negative one.

I like Wright, but he's definetely a player I'd call "expandable". Most 16-18mpg backups are. It tells a lot that he couldn't earn more minutes last season when his competition was only Samuel Dalembert and DeJuan Blair. Both career backups. Also efficient ones in their time in DAL -- but still backups. Wright is another one of their kind.

And just to put it into perspectove: personally I would prefer to have Dalembert on the roster instead of Wright. Better defender, ten times better rebounder, not undersized inside & better value $-wise. He even could stand his ground when he had to start for basically all season last year.

If Dally would be on this roster there wouldn't be any discussions about the backup spot at the 5 and people certainly wouldn't put as much hope into a question mark named Greg Smith like they do now.

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Posted: 8/25/2014 5:06 PM

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JamesConway wrote: Cherry picking stats don't tell the whole story. I give it a couple of minutes until someone likely will post his rebounding-numbers to put the discussion to another extreme. This time a negative one.

I like Wright, but he's definetely a player I'd call "expandable". Most 16-18mpg backups are. It tells a lot that he couldn't earn more minutes last season when his competition was only Samuel Dalembert and DeJuan Blair. Both career backups. Also efficient ones in their time in DAL -- but still backups. Wright is another one of their kind.

And just to put it into perspectove: personally I would prefer to have Dalembert on the roster instead of Wright. Better defender, ten times better rebounder, not undersized inside & better value $-wise. He even could stand his ground when he had to start for basically all season last year.

If Dally would be on this roster there wouldn't be any discussions about the backup spot at the 5 and people certainly wouldn't put as much hope into a question mark named Greg Smith like they do now.
Nobody said it told the "whole story" nor was this "cherry picking" stats any more than pointing out Dirk moving up the all-time scoring list is "cherry picking" stats. Being the all time franchise leader (after 3 seasons, indicating it's not just an anomaly) in at least 5 statistical categories is a sign that he's at least got some seriously elite talent. The full article explained the stats in context giving credit to both Wright's own skill as well as Carlisle's usage of him.

I'm not really getting the complaints about Wright's rebounding in general. He's #98 out of 207 forwards and centers in TREB%, ahead of other PF/Cs like Chris Bosh, Jason Smith, Kenyon Martin, Nene, Brandon Bass, Kevin Seraphin, Al Harrington and Cs like Mark Gasol, Roy Hibbert and Brook Lopez. Reb% is a more accurate indicator of rebounding quality imo than total rebounds or rebounds per minute since the latter two might be a result of more rebounds being available. Wright's so damn efficient he doesn't have to clean up after himself much like other centers do, reducing the number of rebounds available. There is a reason many of the most offensively efficient teams are often in the bottom 10 in team rebounding numbers. How many Cs accrue extra rebounds from their own misses? No, Wright's not great at rebounding, but he's at least competent at it (as he is with defense) to the degree that it certainly doesn't compromise the elite finishing skills he brings.

Dalembert is not a career backup. He's started 673 out of 857 games played in his career. Dalembert, Blair and Wright are all solid players, as much as everyone liked to b**** about our center rotation and all had to take less minutes than they probably each deserved.
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Posted: 8/25/2014 5:13 PM

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JamesConway wrote: Cherry picking stats don't tell the whole story. I give it a couple of minutes until someone likely will post his rebounding-numbers to put the discussion to another extreme. This time a negative one.

I like Wright, but he's definetely a player I'd call "expandable". Most 16-18mpg backups are. It tells a lot that he couldn't earn more minutes last season when his competition was only Samuel Dalembert and DeJuan Blair. Both career backups. Also efficient ones in their time in DAL -- but still backups. Wright is another one of their kind.

And just to put it into perspectove: personally I would prefer to have Dalembert on the roster instead of Wright. Better defender, ten times better rebounder, not undersized inside & better value $-wise. He even could stand his ground when he had to start for basically all season last year.

If Dally would be on this roster there wouldn't be any discussions about the backup spot at the 5 and people certainly wouldn't put as much hope into a question mark named Greg Smith like they do now.
I would not consider those "cherry-picked" stats at all and I do not believe the article presents them as "the whole picture" either. 

Yes, there are reasons Wright may never be a starter, but off the bench the dude is legit and is arguably one of the very best bench players in the whole league. That is a great asset to have. Mavs fans should count their blessings.

RC: "We've seen Parsons be a very effective defensive player."
Cuban: "I talk to NBA scorers and ask, ‘Who defended you the best? Who’s the top three?’ And Parsons was on a couple lists."
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Posted: 8/25/2014 5:19 PM

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Harris makes BWright look like superstar at times, tbh. Reminds me of the connection between Amar'e Stoudemire and Steve Nash, back in the SSOL days.
Wright needs to improve rebounding and Harris needs to improve 3pt%, both very possible.
It'll be interesting to see how well Harris meshes with Tyson as well, and Felton used to be one of the best lob throwers in the NBA. Jameer can replace Jose's spacing.
We goin deep.
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Posted: 8/25/2014 5:22 PM

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MrMak wrote: Harris makes BWright look like superstar at times, tbh. Reminds me of the connection between Amar'e Stoudemire and Steve Nash, back in the SSOL days.
Wright needs to improve rebounding and Harris needs to improve 3pt%, both very possible.
It'll be interesting to see how well Harris meshes with Tyson as well, and Felton used to be one of the best lob throwers in the NBA. Jameer can replace Jose's spacing.
We goin deep.
Harris and Dirk are both PHENOMENAL playing with Wright.

RC: "We've seen Parsons be a very effective defensive player."
Cuban: "I talk to NBA scorers and ask, ‘Who defended you the best? Who’s the top three?’ And Parsons was on a couple lists."
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Posted: 8/25/2014 5:33 PM

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JamesConway wrote: Cherry picking stats don't tell the whole story. I give it a couple of minutes until someone likely will post his rebounding-numbers to put the discussion to another extreme. This time a negative one.

I like Wright, but he's definetely a player I'd call "expandable". Most 16-18mpg backups are. It tells a lot that he couldn't earn more minutes last season when his competition was only Samuel Dalembert and DeJuan Blair. Both career backups. Also efficient ones in their time in DAL -- but still backups. Wright is another one of their kind.

And just to put it into perspectove: personally I would prefer to have Dalembert on the roster instead of Wright. Better defender, ten times better rebounder, not undersized inside & better value $-wise. He even could stand his ground when he had to start for basically all season last year.

If Dally would be on this roster there wouldn't be any discussions about the backup spot at the 5 and people certainly wouldn't put as much hope into a question mark named Greg Smith like they do now.

Just how much do you want him to expand?

The offense, when hitting shots, looks absolutely unstoppable.
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Posted: 8/25/2014 5:35 PM

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Do we even need any more evidence of the flaws in "win shares" and TS%?

The offense, when hitting shots, looks absolutely unstoppable.
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Posted: 8/25/2014 6:11 PM

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dart1 wrote:
JamesConway wrote: Cherry picking stats don't tell the whole story. I give it a couple of minutes until someone likely will post his rebounding-numbers to put the discussion to another extreme. This time a negative one.

I like Wright, but he's definetely a player I'd call "expandable". Most 16-18mpg backups are. It tells a lot that he couldn't earn more minutes last season when his competition was only Samuel Dalembert and DeJuan Blair. Both career backups. Also efficient ones in their time in DAL -- but still backups. Wright is another one of their kind.

And just to put it into perspectove: personally I would prefer to have Dalembert on the roster instead of Wright. Better defender, ten times better rebounder, not undersized inside & better value $-wise. He even could stand his ground when he had to start for basically all season last year.

If Dally would be on this roster there wouldn't be any discussions about the backup spot at the 5 and people certainly wouldn't put as much hope into a question mark named Greg Smith like they do now.

Just how much do you want him to expand?
A skinny 7'5-dude who can jump around like crazy & catch lobs would be fun to watch generic-toast.gif

@ DMR: Didn't want to pee on your parade. Maybe I got rubbed in the wrong way & took the OP a bit too negative when I read all those elite stats you listed. Just wanted to put it into a perspective that seemed more well-rounded to me. There's more to the C-position than those stats. Even if they're encouraging ones like yours.

@ Kamm: Off the bench I like him too. I'm just afraid of the thought of BWright jumping into a starter role in case Ty goes down (had to think of the rebounding statistic you posted a couple of days ago). Dally is a dude you could always throw in (at least when he wasn't asleep), I don't see Brandan being that type of player too.
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Posted: 8/25/2014 6:20 PM

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dart1 wrote: Do we even need any more evidence of the flaws in "win shares" and TS%?
Any stat, advanced or no, can have contextual flaws.

High PPG? Maybe you're a ballhog or chucker with a coach unwilling to discipline you.
High OReb? Maybe your team sucks at shooting and/or you have to keep cleaning up your own missed shots at the rim. Maybe you're allowing your opponents more easy shots in transition by staying and fighting for offensive rebounds.
High DReb? Maybe you selfishly poach easy boards from your own teammates' hands.
High steals per game? Maybe you are gambling in the passing lanes instead of playing good defense.

And those are just the main stats. Nobody claims win shares aren't flawed like anything else. The weighting on any comprehensive advanced stat will always be up for debate, especially because there are so many areas not gauged statistically. However, in my opinion, it is the most convincing of all of the comprehensive advanced stat estimations if used and understood in context because it is broad in scope and does attempt to accurately gauge player contributions to total team wins through a combination of team and player stats.
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Posted: 8/25/2014 6:22 PM

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I would really like to see more of Wright at the 4 and less of him at the 5.
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Posted: 8/25/2014 6:25 PM

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MrMak wrote: Harris makes BWright look like superstar at times, tbh. Reminds me of the connection between Amar'e Stoudemire and Steve Nash, back in the SSOL days.
Wright needs to improve rebounding and Harris needs to improve 3pt%, both very possible.
It'll be interesting to see how well Harris meshes with Tyson as well, and Felton used to be one of the best lob throwers in the NBA. Jameer can replace Jose's spacing.
We goin deep.
lol at finding a way to worm Harris love into this conversation. I think Vince worked just as well with Wright - if not better - though.

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Posted: 8/25/2014 7:25 PM

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Are you conVINCED of that?

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MrMak wrote: Harris makes BWright look like superstar at times, tbh. Reminds me of the connection between Amar'e Stoudemire and Steve Nash, back in the SSOL days.
Wright needs to improve rebounding and Harris needs to improve 3pt%, both very possible.
It'll be interesting to see how well Harris meshes with Tyson as well, and Felton used to be one of the best lob throwers in the NBA. Jameer can replace Jose's spacing.
We goin deep.
lol at finding a way to worm Harris love into this conversation. I think Vince worked just as well with Wright - if not better - though.

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The offense, when hitting shots, looks absolutely unstoppable.
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Posted: 8/25/2014 7:42 PM

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Wright is also the all time franchise leader in overrated-ness...
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Posted: 8/25/2014 7:53 PM

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JamesConway wrote:
@ Kamm: Off the bench I like him too. I'm just afraid of the thought of BWright jumping into a starter role in case Ty goes down (had to think of the rebounding statistic you posted a couple of days ago). Dally is a dude you could always throw in (at least when he wasn't asleep), I don't see Brandan being that type of player too.
Yeah, I don't want him starting either. I suspect that Greg Smith would start and Wright would come off the bench when Tyson is hurt.

RC: "We've seen Parsons be a very effective defensive player."
Cuban: "I talk to NBA scorers and ask, ‘Who defended you the best? Who’s the top three?’ And Parsons was on a couple lists."
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Posted: 8/25/2014 8:34 PM

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His rebounding isn't that bad.
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Posted: 8/25/2014 8:38 PM

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Benskix2 wrote: I would really like to see more of Wright at the 4 and less of him at the 5.
Dirk is a better PF than Wright, tbh.
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Posted: 8/25/2014 9:13 PM

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There is a certain genetic makup and  DNA strains existing amongst posters  that will never appreciate the talent that Brandon Wright brings to the team in his rotation backup mode.   A segment of posters are conditioned in their basketball mindset likely since early playground days that will only appreciate  tall and sculptured/bulky bodies holding down the center position, starter or backup wise  I listened all last season long  to the trade Wright crowd and those that would minimize his contribution to the team demanding a macho man be used always at the center slot.   Every little mistake he made was punctuated on this message board by many.    Of course the lob slam dunk play was all about Harris and Carter and not Wright's athletic ability to execute that play in traffic.   He was always too slight, couldn't defend or rebound or whatever  but I enjoyed  watching him perform and execute in a high percentage way.  As Derek Harper would always say "he plays above the rim" and thats a fact.   I am excited about all our centers this season and this may be the best set ever we have had....we shall see
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Posted: 8/25/2014 9:18 PM

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Benskix2 wrote: I would really like to see more of Wright at the 4 and less of him at the 5.
Exactly. But Carlisle cannot figure out how to put two bigs on the floor with limited range at the same time.

Wright is extremely efficient. Basketball is all about efficiency. Wright puts the ball in the hole reducing rebounds and does not turn the ball over.

Would love for him to play the backup 4, but Carlise just can't figure out how to make that work.
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Posted: 8/25/2014 9:30 PM

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BBJONESSSS wrote:
Benskix2 wrote: I would really like to see more of Wright at the 4 and less of him at the 5.
Exactly. But Carlisle cannot figure out how to put two bigs on the floor with limited range at the same time.

Wright is extremely efficient. Basketball is all about efficiency. Wright puts the ball in the hole reducing rebounds and does not turn the ball over.

Would love for him to play the backup 4, but Carlise just can't figure out how to make that work.
ohlord Please don't make this an issue which is the fault of our top 5 coach. If RC says Wright isn't a four for this team, then I'll gladly accept that as gospel truth.

Brandan Wright - no rebounding, no defense, no problem. #kingofplusminus
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