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LaCava & ESPN: MIN offers Bledsoe a max contract

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Posted: 8/19/2014 9:48 PM

LaCava & ESPN: MIN offers Bledsoe a max contract 


According to posters on the Suns board on RealGM Jude LaCava stated on radio that the Suns are indeed discussing trade possibilites with Eric Bledsoe.


Here are some quotes from their board:

- "Per Jude Lacava on the radio, the Suns are now discussing trade possibilities with Eric Bledsoe.

Just get him out of here already, I'm over him. "


- "Is anybody listening to these "huge news" about Eric Bledsoe on 910 radio? Jude Lacava basically said the Suns are now taking S&T offers for Bledsoe.

Ummm.. Duh."


- "I listened to that too. I trust lacava. I grew up with him. He doesn't throw out bs.

Bye bye Bledsoe. It's about time. Tired of Bledsoe and his crew.

Now we can hopefully move on soon. Glad I don't have to see screen names like dragonblade anymore."


- "I don't think it's a huge surprise. It's the natural next step when negotiations seems to have reached an impasse but I do believe that we still have to the door wide open for further negotiations if Bledsoe would just come to the table.

We're doing the right thing by covering our bases and not get left out in the cold by not doing our due diligence early."

Those posts can be found here


And there are also two tweets from Fox Sports Arizona about this, which is where LaCava works as a media guy. I have no idea who he is, but most Suns-Fans I've seen post about him seem to think he's reliable. From what I know he's been covering the Suns for ages now.

Here are the tweets:

Fox Sports 910 @foxsports910  ·  3 Std.

. @ judefox10 on @ FoxSports910: "The @ Suns are now discussing trade possibilities with RFA G @ EBled2." @ paulcoro @ WojYahooNBA

Fox Sports 910 @foxsports910  ·  3 Std.

. @ judefox10 says you can "take it to the bank" in regards to his report on @ FoxSports910 that the @ suns are exploring an Eric Bledsoe trade.

Last edited 9/19/2014 3:33 PM by JamesConway

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Posted: 8/19/2014 9:54 PM

Re: LaCava: Suns discussing trade possibilites with Eric Bledsoe 


rolleyes Somebody here effin' essin' told y'all so.

I don't believe in Bledsoe! I just believe in Dirk... and Tyson, and Parsons, and Ellis, and Harris, and...
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Posted: 8/19/2014 9:59 PM

Re: LaCava: Suns discussing trade possibilites with Eric Bledsoe 


RFA is still a big question mark, especially regarding his trade value.

Does anybod know, if he signs the qualifying offer

- when can he be traded again? I've read some people claiming it to be in the summer of 2015, is that true?

- is it true, that he could deny trades after signing it? I've read that in an article about Monroe.

If one or both of these things are true that/those would seem to be very big limitations regarding what Phoenix can demand out there in the trade market...

Last edited 8/19/2014 9:59 PM by JamesConway

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Posted: 8/19/2014 9:59 PM

Re: LaCava: Suns discussing trade possibilites with Eric Bledsoe 





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--- Scott4theMavs wrote:

rolleyes Somebody here effin' essin' told y'all so.

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Effin essin?
"I choose enthusiasm"
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Posted: 8/19/2014 10:02 PM

Re: LaCava: Suns discussing trade possibilites with Eric Bledsoe 



rhynodaddy wrote:


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--- Scott4theMavs wrote:

rolleyes Somebody here effin' essin' told y'all so.

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Effin essin?
I cuss (euphemistically) when I'm pissed. I can spell it out for you if you'd like.

I don't believe in Bledsoe! I just believe in Dirk... and Tyson, and Parsons, and Ellis, and Harris, and...
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Posted: 8/19/2014 10:11 PM

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Bledsoe & filler for Ronda. Book it!
FREE BOO BOO THE FOOL!!!!!

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Posted: 8/19/2014 10:16 PM

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SUPAKOOLGREGS wrote: Bledsoe & filler for Ronda. Book it!

I don't believe in Bledsoe! I just believe in Dirk... and Tyson, and Parsons, and Ellis, and Harris, and...
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Posted: 8/19/2014 10:17 PM

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SUPAKOOLGREGS wrote: Bledsoe & filler for Ronda. Book it!
Oh dear. That would crush me so bad biggrin

Mavs gotta break the (trade asset) bank for Bledsoe. They wanted him last year, MacMahon reported multiple times before FA started that they have interest in him, we got all our 1st rounders availabe.

Get it done Donnie ! This is your golden opportunity to use them before there's any chance they'll be wasted in another draft tongue

Last edited 8/19/2014 10:18 PM by JamesConway

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Posted: 8/19/2014 10:27 PM

Re: LaCava: Suns discussing trade possibilites with Eric Bledsoe 



Scott4theMavs wrote: rolleyes Somebody here effin' essin' told y'all so.
Yep, it's obvious that the full story is: "The Suns are discussing trade possibilities with Eric Bledsoe, and informed sources tell us they are targeting Ray Felton." Good call!
DL
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Posted: 8/19/2014 10:48 PM

Re: LaCava: Suns discussing trade possibilities with Eric Bledso 


PS - Don't get me wrong. If the Mavs can turn Ray Felton into Eric Bledsoe, more power to 'em.
DL
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Posted: 8/19/2014 10:53 PM

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DLordOfBasketball wrote:
Scott4theMavs wrote: rolleyes Somebody here effin' essin' told y'all so.
Yep, it's obvious that the full story is: "The Suns are discussing trade possibilities with Eric Bledsoe, and informed sources tell us they are targeting Ray Felton." Good call!
Is this straw man thing a professional gig for you or something? I've said repeatedly that Felton is salary filler, not the meat of the deal. The carrots would be Wright, picks, cash, and perhaps one or two of our prospects.

I don't believe in Bledsoe! I just believe in Dirk... and Tyson, and Parsons, and Ellis, and Harris, and...
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Posted: 8/19/2014 11:00 PM

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"P.S." - the "told-you-so" issue isn't "the Mavs are getting Bledsoe" - they almost certainly aren't - but that people rather stupidly doubted the idea that Bledsoe was available at all, or that it was a lock that he was going back to Phoenix, when the news we had indicated pretty strongly that there was virtually zero possibility of him ever suiting up for the Suns again, while meanwhile none of the good teams in the league have cap room left to accommodate Bledsoe. Ergo, sign-and-trade, which entails that team acquiring said player gets them for assets far less significant than if some other sort of trade was taking place. Ergo the Mavs, even if they wanted to pretty much stand pat (e.g. not moving Ellis) would still be within rather reasonable pissing distance of such an acquisition, no shock value.

I don't believe in Bledsoe! I just believe in Dirk... and Tyson, and Parsons, and Ellis, and Harris, and...
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Posted: 8/19/2014 11:39 PM

Re: LaCava: Suns discussing trade possibilities with Eric Bledso 


- Good teams have used up their cap space.

- A lot of teams already have a good starter at pg. Strongest position in the league.

- Few teams are probably willing to give Bledsoe the deal he wants.

- He's not even under contract with the suns. Sign & Trades do not normally net amazing packages in return. I doubt they could do much better than something like Wright/Crowder/Felton/2 unprotected 1st rounders. Might have to also include someone like Mekel to make the salaries match.

I think the mavs have a chance if they're interested.
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Posted: 8/19/2014 11:49 PM

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Scott4theMavs wrote: "P.S." - the "told-you-so" issue isn't "the Mavs are getting Bledsoe" - they almost certainly aren't - but that people rather stupidly doubted the idea that Bledsoe was available at all, or that it was a lock that he was going back to Phoenix, when the news we had indicated pretty strongly that there was virtually zero possibility of him ever suiting up for the Suns again, while meanwhile none of the good teams in the league have cap room left to accommodate Bledsoe. Ergo, sign-and-trade, which entails that team acquiring said player gets them for assets far less significant than if some other sort of trade was taking place. Ergo the Mavs, even if they wanted to pretty much stand pat (e.g. not moving Ellis) would still be within rather reasonable pissing distance of such an acquisition, no shock value.
"the news we had indicated pretty strongly that there was virtually zero possibility of him ever suiting up for the Suns again"

Zero? While there's a chance he gets traded, I'd say the possibility is no worse than 50-50 that he plays for PHX this season. The only leverage he has to force a trade is by threatening to do something he absolutely does not want to do.

That is to say, the assumption that PHX absolutely MUST trade him, and that therefore they absolutely WILL trade him, is a significant overstatement.
DL

Last edited 8/19/2014 11:52 PM by DLordOfBasketball

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Posted: 8/19/2014 11:59 PM

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DL, respectfully, I disagree. Players have lots of options, as do teams. Negotiate or don't. Agree or don't. Sign QO or don't. Play in China with Crazy Panda or whatev he's calling himself these days or don't.

Sure, Suns can block Bledsoe's first choice, just as he can block theirs. But it isn't assured mutual destruction. And Suns don't have him over a barrel. Whatever barrel there is, it's mutual.
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Posted: 8/20/2014 12:08 AM

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Scott4theMavs wrote:
DLordOfBasketball wrote:
Scott4theMavs wrote: rolleyes Somebody here effin' essin' told y'all so.
Yep, it's obvious that the full story is: "The Suns are discussing trade possibilities with Eric Bledsoe, and informed sources tell us they are targeting Ray Felton." Good call!
Is this straw man thing a professional gig for you or something? I've said repeatedly that Felton is salary filler, not the meat of the deal. The carrots would be Wright, picks, cash, and perhaps one or two of our prospects.

"Prospects"???

LOL

Last edited 8/20/2014 12:09 AM by Dirkalicious

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Posted: 8/20/2014 12:13 AM

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DLordOfBasketball wrote:
Scott4theMavs wrote: "P.S." - the "told-you-so" issue isn't "the Mavs are getting Bledsoe" - they almost certainly aren't - but that people rather stupidly doubted the idea that Bledsoe was available at all, or that it was a lock that he was going back to Phoenix, when the news we had indicated pretty strongly that there was virtually zero possibility of him ever suiting up for the Suns again, while meanwhile none of the good teams in the league have cap room left to accommodate Bledsoe. Ergo, sign-and-trade, which entails that team acquiring said player gets them for assets far less significant than if some other sort of trade was taking place. Ergo the Mavs, even if they wanted to pretty much stand pat (e.g. not moving Ellis) would still be within rather reasonable pissing distance of such an acquisition, no shock value.
"the news we had indicated pretty strongly that there was virtually zero possibility of him ever suiting up for the Suns again"

Zero? While there's a chance he gets traded, I'd say the possibility is no worse than 50-50 that he plays for PHX this season. The only leverage he has to force a trade is by threatening to do something he absolutely does not want to do.

That is to say, the assumption that PHX absolutely MUST trade him, and that therefore they absolutely WILL trade him, is a significant overstatement.
I will gladly sig bet you that Bledsoe does not sign a big money, long term deal with the Suns. I don't see any possibility left of that happening. The possibility isn't zero, but it's so asymptotically close that it might as well be. The man is mortally offended and believes that his manhood was belittled for some reason. He won't play there long term, end of story. I could see the outside possibility of Phoenix giving him a one or two year max deal, and Bledsoe reluctantly taking them up on that, but Sarver is such a tightwad I don't see that happening. If Phoenix refuses to trade him, then he'll play for the qualifying offer, showcase his wares for the next year, and reduce the Suns' locker room and chemistry to dust and rubble in the meantime. Don't think the Suns want to do that. They're not nearly as smart as we thought they were if they do. In the words of Arthur Alexander, they better move on. That means sign and trade.

I don't believe in Bledsoe! I just believe in Dirk... and Tyson, and Parsons, and Ellis, and Harris, and...
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Posted: 8/20/2014 12:14 AM

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Dirkalicious wrote:
Scott4theMavs wrote:
DLordOfBasketball wrote:
Scott4theMavs wrote: rolleyes Somebody here effin' essin' told y'all so.
Yep, it's obvious that the full story is: "The Suns are discussing trade possibilities with Eric Bledsoe, and informed sources tell us they are targeting Ray Felton." Good call!
Is this straw man thing a professional gig for you or something? I've said repeatedly that Felton is salary filler, not the meat of the deal. The carrots would be Wright, picks, cash, and perhaps one or two of our prospects.

"Prospects"???

LOL
Crowder, Ledo, Griffin, et al. "LOL" yourself.

I don't believe in Bledsoe! I just believe in Dirk... and Tyson, and Parsons, and Ellis, and Harris, and...
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Posted: 8/20/2014 12:27 AM

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Jommybone wrote: DL, respectfully, I disagree. Players have lots of options, as do teams. Negotiate or don't. Agree or don't. Sign QO or don't. Play in China with Crazy Panda or whatev he's calling himself these days or don't.

Sure, Suns can block Bledsoe's first choice, just as he can block theirs. But it isn't assured mutual destruction. And Suns don't have him over a barrel. Whatever barrel there is, it's mutual.
Bledsoe wants a huge deal, and he wants it now. His injury history is troublesome and he knows another injury-plagued year is likely to cost him lots of money next summer. So while signing the QO for a few mill is theoretically a way he can force the Suns to give him what he wants, it really is so much what he doesn't want that it isn't much of a threat.

As for the other options, they are even less threatening.

The Suns have 2 offers on the table - a QO (that they know Bledsoe has no intention of taking) and a $48M deal - and if they do nothing, Bledsoe will sign one or the other. If he signs the QO, they get him for only $3.7M this year, and they alone will have the ability next summer to offer him a 5-year deal when he's trying to make up for lost money. Or he signs the $48M deal and they own him for the next 4 years at a price they are comfortable with.

Is there a chance that the Suns get scared and trade him? Sure. But they may simply decide to wait for his signature, knowing they have the best (and only) deal on the table.
DL

Last edited 8/20/2014 8:01 AM by DLordOfBasketball

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Posted: 8/20/2014 12:45 AM

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Scott4theMavs wrote:
DLordOfBasketball wrote:
Scott4theMavs wrote: "P.S." - the "told-you-so" issue isn't "the Mavs are getting Bledsoe" - they almost certainly aren't - but that people rather stupidly doubted the idea that Bledsoe was available at all, or that it was a lock that he was going back to Phoenix, when the news we had indicated pretty strongly that there was virtually zero possibility of him ever suiting up for the Suns again, while meanwhile none of the good teams in the league have cap room left to accommodate Bledsoe. Ergo, sign-and-trade, which entails that team acquiring said player gets them for assets far less significant than if some other sort of trade was taking place. Ergo the Mavs, even if they wanted to pretty much stand pat (e.g. not moving Ellis) would still be within rather reasonable pissing distance of such an acquisition, no shock value.
"the news we had indicated pretty strongly that there was virtually zero possibility of him ever suiting up for the Suns again"

Zero? While there's a chance he gets traded, I'd say the possibility is no worse than 50-50 that he plays for PHX this season. The only leverage he has to force a trade is by threatening to do something he absolutely does not want to do.

That is to say, the assumption that PHX absolutely MUST trade him, and that therefore they absolutely WILL trade him, is a significant overstatement.
I will gladly sig bet you that Bledsoe does not sign a big money, long term deal with the Suns. I don't see any possibility left of that happening. The possibility isn't zero, but it's so asymptotically close that it might as well be. The man is mortally offended and believes that his manhood was belittled for some reason. He won't play there long term, end of story. I could see the outside possibility of Phoenix giving him a one or two year max deal, and Bledsoe reluctantly taking them up on that, but Sarver is such a tightwad I don't see that happening. If Phoenix refuses to trade him, then he'll play for the qualifying offer, showcase his wares for the next year, and reduce the Suns' locker room and chemistry to dust and rubble in the meantime. Don't think the Suns want to do that. They're not nearly as smart as we thought they were if they do. In the words of Arthur Alexander, they better move on. That means sign and trade.
"I will gladly sig bet you that Bledsoe does not sign a big money, long term deal with the Suns."....LOL Your position was that there is virtually zero possibility of Bledsoe ever suiting up for the Suns again, so if you really believe the odds are that extreme, the bet you'd offer would be: Bledsoe will not be on the Suns' roster this season.

I really don't think things are as dire as you've been led to believe. Negotiation feedback tell you things are impossible because the 2 sides can't agree - and then one day we may wake up and hear they aren't impossible anymore, because they come to an agreement..There's no deal - until there's a deal. In the meantime, it's posturing to get what you want.

That's not to say a trade is out of the question, but both sides need each other here. And it looks to me like the alternatives are so unworkable for one, the other, or both that eventually they'll have to figure it out.
DL

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