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Rob Analyzes the Tyson Effect

Posted: 8/14/2014 10:54 AM

Rob Analyzes the Tyson Effect 


Rob Mahoney considers Tyson Chandler's likely impact, compared to Dalembert. 

This is a national article, not one written for a Mavs site, so to some extent it catches the non initiated up. --


At first glance, the trade is puzzling from the Mavs' perspective

Cost:

Calderon, an offensive maestro and sharpshooter
Dalembert, starting center
Larkin, 2013 first-round draft pick
Ellington
Two 2014 second-round picks
Taking on Felton's contract

Benefit:
Oft-injured center who limped through 55 games and had worst statistical season in four years.


Looked at more closely, the Mavs should be getting a substantial upgrade at starting center.


Defense

Dalembert irritated Carlisle to the point that he averaged only 20 mpg, despite the fact that the Mavs desperately needed his skill set. 

The Mavs were better defensively when Dalembert was on the floor than when he was off. Although some of that stat is attributable to the shortcomings of Wright and Blair, Dalembert does contribute defensively on the pick and roll and in the paint, at least when he's engaged and not winded.  

But Chandler generally works harder and is more committed on defense than Dalembert. That wasn't necessarily true last season, when Chandler spent a fair amount of time fuming at teammates and giving up on plays out of exasperation that his fellow Knicks weren't as invested defensively as he was. Some key Mavs weren't playing good defense either, but in their case, it was more a case of lack of physical tools or lack of good defensive instincts than a lack of effort, and Chandler ought to be able to tell the difference. If he has anything approaching a typical season, Chandler ought to give the Mavs much superior rim protection and defensive leadership. 


Offense

Chandler has never averaged more than 12 PPG in any of his 13 NBA seasons. But his teams' offenses are more efficient when he is on the floor. His rolls give teammates room to breathe, he sets hard screens, and he's an excellent finisher at the rim. That may not sound like much of an offensive skill set, but he is the rare center who has the ability to stimulate offensive production without having to touch the ball  much. Offenses have to guard him, whereas opponents only paid attention to Dalembert if he was within arm's length of the rim.

Dalembert's butterfingers, bumbling footwork, poor screens and ineffective rolls made him a perpetual drag on the offense. And even a team as well-run and well-coached as the Mavs can only keep an offensive liability on the court for so long, which contributed to his  short minutes for a starting center.


Overall

The fact that teams have to pay attention to Chandler on both ends of the floor should greatly improve the Mavs' production at starting center, even if it's only a result of Chandler's being able to stay on the floor considerably more minutes than Dalembert.

http://www.si.com/nba/2014/08/13/nba-dallas-mavericks-tyson-chandler-value
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Posted: 8/14/2014 10:56 AM

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Nationally Calderon is an offensive maestro and sharpshooter.

In Dallas Calderon is a choking traffic cone worse than garbage.
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Posted: 8/14/2014 10:58 AM

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where is rob anyway?
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Posted: 8/14/2014 10:59 AM

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catsil wrote: Nationally Calderon is an offensive maestro and sharpshooter.

In Dallas Calderon is a choking traffic cone worse than garbage.
Probably because we actually watched him play on a game by game basis...

Rather than checking out stat sheets for fantasy leagues
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Posted: 8/14/2014 11:03 AM

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Mavmaniac wrote:
catsil wrote: Nationally Calderon is an offensive maestro and sharpshooter.

In Dallas Calderon is a choking traffic cone worse than garbage.
Probably because we actually watched him play on a game by game basis...

Rather than checking out stat sheets for fantasy leagues
Probably the same way DBers view some players on other teams as offensive geniuses as well
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Posted: 8/14/2014 11:12 AM

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Funny that the analysis makes no mention of the impact of the trade on rebounding.
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Posted: 8/14/2014 11:13 AM

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When the Mavs won the title, the opposing PGs were Andre Miller, Derek Fisher, a younger Russel Westbrook, and a Mike Bibby/Mario Chalmers combo. JKidd while still being a very good defender against SGs, had lost a step when guarding quicker PGs. None of those guys except Westbrook had the tools to exploit it.

Now, with Tony Parker, Chris Paul, Steph Curry, Damian Lillard, and a more mature Russel Westbrook all playing at a high level in the west, a slow PG will get taken advantage of. You can't roll out Jose Calderon with his defensive deficiencies and expect to compete for a championship.

Last edited 8/14/2014 11:14 AM by FriscoMavsMan

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Posted: 8/14/2014 11:13 AM

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catsil wrote:
Mavmaniac wrote:
catsil wrote: Nationally Calderon is an offensive maestro and sharpshooter.

In Dallas Calderon is a choking traffic cone worse than garbage.
Probably because we actually watched him play on a game by game basis...

Rather than checking out stat sheets for fantasy leagues
Probably the same way DBers view some players on other teams as offensive geniuses as well
True
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Posted: 8/14/2014 11:14 AM

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catsil wrote:
Mavmaniac wrote:
catsil wrote: Nationally Calderon is an offensive maestro and sharpshooter.

In Dallas Calderon is a choking traffic cone worse than garbage.
Probably because we actually watched him play on a game by game basis...

Rather than checking out stat sheets for fantasy leagues
Probably the same way DBers view some players on other teams as offensive geniuses as well
It's not just DBers. Even the FO seem to have fallen victims to that. For quite a while before they got him, they had been infatuated with Calderon. Yet one year after giving him a 4 year deal, Donnie alluded to the fact that his contract was a determining factor in sending him out of here,  which is as close to an admission of a mistake you're going to get from a FO. Grass is always greener on the other side of the fence.
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Posted: 8/14/2014 11:16 AM

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fifteenth wrote: where is rob anyway?
sports illustrated

I think this article was an "I'm laughing at you, not with you" to the Knicks, tbh.

What I found most interesting was the analysis of why Dalembert got only 20 mpg. I recall that there was a fair amount of frustration at Carlisle for not keeping him out there longer.

Last edited 8/14/2014 11:33 AM by mavsluvr

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Posted: 8/14/2014 11:21 AM

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Mavmaniac wrote:
catsil wrote: Nationally Calderon is an offensive maestro and sharpshooter.

In Dallas Calderon is a choking traffic cone worse than garbage.
Probably because we actually watched him play on a game by game basis...

Rather than checking out stat sheets for fantasy leagues
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Posted: 8/14/2014 11:22 AM

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hakeemfan wrote:
catsil wrote:
Mavmaniac wrote:
catsil wrote: Nationally Calderon is an offensive maestro and sharpshooter.

In Dallas Calderon is a choking traffic cone worse than garbage.
Probably because we actually watched him play on a game by game basis...

Rather than checking out stat sheets for fantasy leagues
Probably the same way DBers view some players on other teams as offensive geniuses as well
It's not just DBers. Even the FO seem to have fallen victims to that. For quite a while before they got him, they had been infatuated with Calderon. Yet one year after giving him a 4 year deal, Donnie alluded to the fact that his contract was a determining factor in sending him out of here,  which is as close to an admission of a mistake you're going to get from a FO. Grass is always greener on the other side of the fence.
It was the same with Kaman...
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Posted: 8/14/2014 11:24 AM

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markus1234 wrote:
hakeemfan wrote:
catsil wrote:
Mavmaniac wrote:
catsil wrote: Nationally Calderon is an offensive maestro and sharpshooter.

In Dallas Calderon is a choking traffic cone worse than garbage.
Probably because we actually watched him play on a game by game basis...

Rather than checking out stat sheets for fantasy leagues
Probably the same way DBers view some players on other teams as offensive geniuses as well
It's not just DBers. Even the FO seem to have fallen victims to that. For quite a while before they got him, they had been infatuated with Calderon. Yet one year after giving him a 4 year deal, Donnie alluded to the fact that his contract was a determining factor in sending him out of here,  which is as close to an admission of a mistake you're going to get from a FO. Grass is always greener on the other side of the fence.
It was the same with Kaman...
Very true.
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Posted: 8/14/2014 11:31 AM

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Mavmaniac wrote:
catsil wrote: Nationally Calderon is an offensive maestro and sharpshooter.

In Dallas Calderon is a choking traffic cone worse than garbage.
Probably because we actually watched him play on a game by game basis...

Rather than checking out stat sheets for fantasy leagues
Someone who doesn't know who Rob is, evidently
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Posted: 8/14/2014 11:33 AM

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markus1234 wrote:
hakeemfan wrote:
catsil wrote:
Mavmaniac wrote:
catsil wrote: Nationally Calderon is an offensive maestro and sharpshooter.

In Dallas Calderon is a choking traffic cone worse than garbage.
Probably because we actually watched him play on a game by game basis...

Rather than checking out stat sheets for fantasy leagues
Probably the same way DBers view some players on other teams as offensive geniuses as well
It's not just DBers. Even the FO seem to have fallen victims to that. For quite a while before they got him, they had been infatuated with Calderon. Yet one year after giving him a 4 year deal, Donnie alluded to the fact that his contract was a determining factor in sending him out of here,  which is as close to an admission of a mistake you're going to get from a FO. Grass is always greener on the other side of the fence.
It was the same with Kaman...
Mayo too.
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Posted: 8/14/2014 11:36 AM

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mavsluvr wrote:
fifteenth wrote: where is rob anyway?
sports illustrated

I think this article was an "I'm laughing at you, not with you" to the Knicks, tbh.

What I found most interesting was the analysis of why Dalembert got only 20 mpg. I recall that there was a fair amount of frustration at Carlisle for not keeping him out there longer.
no the other one
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Posted: 8/14/2014 1:13 PM

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mavsluvr wrote:
fifteenth wrote: where is rob anyway?
sports illustrated

I think this article was an "I'm laughing at you, not with you" to the Knicks, tbh.

What I found most interesting was the analysis of why Dalembert got only 20 mpg. I recall that there was a fair amount of frustration at Carlisle for not keeping him out there longer.
no the other one

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He just got that new job and is driving 4 hours a day across states

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Posted: 8/14/2014 1:41 PM

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catsil wrote:
markus1234 wrote:
hakeemfan wrote:
catsil wrote:
Mavmaniac wrote:
catsil wrote: Nationally Calderon is an offensive maestro and sharpshooter.

In Dallas Calderon is a choking traffic cone worse than garbage.
Probably because we actually watched him play on a game by game basis...

Rather than checking out stat sheets for fantasy leagues
Probably the same way DBers view some players on other teams as offensive geniuses as well
It's not just DBers. Even the FO seem to have fallen victims to that. For quite a while before they got him, they had been infatuated with Calderon. Yet one year after giving him a 4 year deal, Donnie alluded to the fact that his contract was a determining factor in sending him out of here,  which is as close to an admission of a mistake you're going to get from a FO. Grass is always greener on the other side of the fence.
It was the same with Kaman...
Mayo too.
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Posted: 8/14/2014 1:58 PM

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balldontliez wrote:


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--- fifteenth wrote:


mavsluvr wrote:
fifteenth wrote: where is rob anyway?
sports illustrated

I think this article was an "I'm laughing at you, not with you" to the Knicks, tbh.

What I found most interesting was the analysis of why Dalembert got only 20 mpg. I recall that there was a fair amount of frustration at Carlisle for not keeping him out there longer.
no the other one

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He just got that new job and is driving 4 hours a day across states
truck driver?
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Posted: 8/14/2014 2:18 PM

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--- fifteenth wrote:


balldontliez wrote:


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--- fifteenth wrote:


mavsluvr wrote:
fifteenth wrote: where is rob anyway?
sports illustrated

I think this article was an "I'm laughing at you, not with you" to the Knicks, tbh.

What I found most interesting was the analysis of why Dalembert got only 20 mpg. I recall that there was a fair amount of frustration at Carlisle for not keeping him out there longer.
no the other one

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He just got that new job and is driving 4 hours a day across states
truck driver?

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Something to do with a blue chemical and a recreational vehicle.
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