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game 112: kluber encore?

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Posted: 8/4/2014 5:08 PM

game 112: kluber encore? 


kluber vs. simon

kipnis
aviles (!!)
brantley
santana
chiz
murphy
gomes
dickerson (DH)
ramirez

never have understood managers who insist on:

a) thinking you need a guy hitting second who is best at sacrificing, regardless of how much they don't hit or get on base. i mean, sweet jesus, aviles is "hitting" .251/.281/.326 for a whopping 73 OPS+

b) believing players will get all bent out of shape if they move up a spot in the batting order.

batting orders don't mean a ton, but i like this one a lot better (and i'm sure many of you could improve on it even more - for instance, swap kipnis and dickerson):

kipnis
brantley
santana
chiz
murphy
dickerson
gomes
aviles
ramirez

of course, they could DL swisher and call up aguilar or walters and get them some ABs. but i guess that would mean pulling team MVP aviles out of the lineup, so that's not an option.

and the funny thing is, i like aviles when used properly. what francona's doing with him is not proper.

Last edited 8/4/2014 5:08 PM by buddy34

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Posted: 8/4/2014 5:25 PM

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I agree I don't like Aviles batting 2nd.  However he is a good to great situational hitter both this year and his career.  His % are all above league averages for Sac Bunt %, Productive Out %, Not grounding into DP%.

So I do somewhat get where Francona is coming from, even though I have no idea if he is even looking at those numbers.  Plus all those numbers still are a factor if Aviles is batting 8ht or 9th biggrin.

Aviles has a career .301 OBP and both years with the Indians its been below .285.  He never walks!!!
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Posted: 8/4/2014 5:29 PM

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Or freaking use Holt!  SEriously, he is a superior defender than Aviles and the odds of him being worse on offense against RHP is low. 
Why the team has not DL'd Swisher yet is freaking beyond me.  Stick Walters in LF if you want a LHH against Simon and don't want to use Holt.
And of course Francona moves Murphy up to number 6 in the lineup 1 series too late.
Why can't this FO see what we all see, Swisher is a detriment and sending him to the DL will not hurt the team, and you are already hobbled on the bench with a second catcher, an OFer with knee issues forcing him to DH, and now your struggling DH not able to play.  This is the worst example of roster management I have ever seen.  I can understand if Swisher was a huge asset to the team on the field, and you don't want to risk losing him for 10 games or so (that he would have been sidelined anyway being out day-to-day) but he is NOT an asset!
buddy34 wrote: kluber vs. simon

kipnis
aviles (!!)
brantley
santana
chiz
murphy
gomes
dickerson (DH)
ramirez

never have understood managers who insist on:

a) thinking you need a guy hitting second who is best at sacrificing, regardless of how much they don't hit or get on base. i mean, sweet jesus, aviles is "hitting" .251/.281/.326 for a whopping 73 OPS+

b) believing players will get all bent out of shape if they move up a spot in the batting order.

batting orders don't mean a ton, but i like this one a lot better (and i'm sure many of you could improve on it even more - for instance, swap kipnis and dickerson):

kipnis
brantley
santana
chiz
murphy
dickerson
gomes
aviles
ramirez

of course, they could DL swisher and call up aguilar or walters and get them some ABs. but i guess that would mean pulling team MVP aviles out of the lineup, so that's not an option.

and the funny thing is, i like aviles when used properly. what francona's doing with him is not proper.
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Posted: 8/4/2014 5:32 PM

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brooktown wrote: I agree I don't like Aviles batting 2nd.  However he is a good to great situational hitter both this year and his career.  His % are all above league averages for Sac Bunt %, Productive Out %, Not grounding into DP%.

So I do somewhat get where Francona is coming from, even though I have no idea if he is even looking at those numbers.  Plus all those numbers still are a factor if Aviles is batting 8ht or 9th biggrin.

Aviles has a career .301 OBP and both years with the Indians its been below .285.  He never walks!!!
If Francona knew the sign for "Hit and Run" then I would agree that Aviles could be more useful than his raw number would indicate.  However, when was the last time the Indians hit and run?
And I love it that the Astros perfected the play I have been advocating for years, the old run and fake bunt allowing the runner to steal 3B with no problem.  Astros hitter got to 2B on a double, then took off for 3B with the hitter showing bunt, the 3Bman was so far in on the grass he caught the throw about 10 feet in front of the 3B bag.  This should be done ALL the time, the hitter just has to watch the 3Bman, if he races in, you pull back and let the runner steal third, if the 3Bman hangs back, you bunt it down the 3B line for a basehit.
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Posted: 8/4/2014 7:18 PM

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Seriously, who does the pitch-calling on this team?  You have Jay Bruce up, hitting .202 or something, and you put the pull shift on him, which is fine, but instead of busting him inside, you keep throwing him outside so he flips a 3-2 fastball on the outside corner into LF for a single where there was absolutely no one around that could catch the ball. bangheadbangheadbanghead
I hope Santana is watching that and thinks, you know I have actually been getting some success taking outside pitches the other way and up the middle recently, and man that hole to LF is HUGE...maybe I should do that more often.
Reds Catcher Mesoraco hitting cleanup and goes the other way (only the 3rd or 4th hit in the entire year the other way), two on two outs.  There was a pull shift and again, pitches were away, first pitch a called strike on the outside, second pitch was outer half that the hitter has a clear inside-out on to line into RF.
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Posted: 8/4/2014 7:31 PM

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Indians get a run, double by Kipnis, Aviles moves him over, Brantley RBI GO to 1B, almost ends up being an infield single as the pitcher completely forgets to cover first base.  Brantley pissed.
Observation, for someone who has a quick swing to the ball, Brantley takes a LONG time getting out of the box, like I don't think he admires his shot, but it looks like he keeps his head down on the ball ALL the way through his swing and doesn't start running for a good half-second or so after contact.  Like yesterday I saw the replay of the liner down the line that was caught, he didn't seem to react to the contact for a good half-second or so.
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Posted: 8/4/2014 7:36 PM

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Kluber walks the number 7 hitter...not looking as sharp.  Fastball command is iffy.
Throwing it up there 95 though so hopefully that will be good enough to minimize is location issues.
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Posted: 8/4/2014 7:44 PM

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Murphy's hot streak continues with a HBP on the foot!  Gomes though takes a rip at a fastball on the inside but doesn't hit it far enough out in front and ends up GIDP to 3B.
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Posted: 8/4/2014 7:46 PM

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you know kluber isn't sharp when he's at 38 pitches after 2 innings.
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Posted: 8/4/2014 7:47 PM

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Dickerson hits a flyball right down the LF line that Schumaker races full tilt and catches it in fair territory than crashes into the wall.  Sigh...I hope Aviles is able to do something like that.tongue
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Posted: 8/4/2014 7:51 PM

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crappy relay by ramirez kills chance for a DP.
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Posted: 8/4/2014 7:52 PM

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wow, then ramirez boots another DP ball. bad inning for the kid.
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Posted: 8/4/2014 7:54 PM

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@#$@^%@#$@
The Indians let themselves get Hamiltoned as he gets an infield single, then the Indians do the smart thing and pitch inside to Bruce with the shift, gets a GIDP grounder to 2B, but JRam having to come from the right side of the 2B bag to take the throw from Kipnis, gets off a wide throw to Santana on the relay. bangheadbangheadbanghead
Then freaking JRam boots a grounder towards the hole resulting in a freaking 1st and 2nd situation and only one out.  JRam caught in the position of still moving to his right while trying to square on the ball so the last bounce ends up hitting his throwing hand instead of the glove.  He was probably trying to get a GIDP to make up for his bad relay instead of just back-handing the ball or taking a wider angle and just getting the runner at 2B.  I hopes this doesn't snowball.
Most dangerous hitter for the Reds up, who pops up to 2B.
Bad news is Kluber's PC is up.
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Posted: 8/4/2014 7:56 PM

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oh, and to start the inning ramirez made a nice stop deep in the hole, but for some reason thought he could throw out hamilton. santana made a nice stab to keep it from being a throwing error.

did i say this was a bad inning for the kid?
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Posted: 8/4/2014 7:57 PM

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kluber works out of it, but is over 50 pitches. don't see any CG tonight.
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Posted: 8/4/2014 7:58 PM

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buddy34 wrote: wow, then ramirez boots another DP ball. bad inning for the kid.
Yeah, I think that the ball wouldn't have been DP, not hit hard enough IMO and he was going away from the second base bag.  But definitely boot and would have at minimum saved Kluber some pitches.  Kluber definitely looking sharper now but still way too many pitches overall.  50 and still in the 3rd.
Santana of all people making the play on a hot shot to 1B to minimize the damage to just more pitches.
The wide throw by Ramirez, I wonder if he would have been better served to have stepped back from 2B to get an inside angle to 1B.  He tried to go to the outside but throwing with his right hand caused him to throw back into the baseline, and thus into the oncoming runner, and it looked like his release point was messed up in trying to avoid hitting the runner.
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Posted: 8/4/2014 7:59 PM

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frazier hit it, they had a shot if he fields cleanly and makes a good throw.
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Posted: 8/4/2014 8:00 PM

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buddy34 wrote: kluber works out of it, but is over 50 pitches. don't see any CG tonight.
If he stays as sharp and around the plate as he was this inning, he can still get 7.  Reds are aggressive.  JRam needs to stay patient, just wait for his pitches, don't just swing at the first strike.
Shows bunt but pulls back, strike called 1-1, then takes a sinker on the inside half that he gave up on, 1-2, off-speed in the dirt, 2-2.
Another off-speed at his feet, GO to 2B.
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Posted: 8/4/2014 8:03 PM

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buddy34 wrote: frazier hit it, they had a shot if he fields cleanly and makes a good throw.
Remember Kipnis is turning the pivot. wink
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Posted: 8/4/2014 8:06 PM

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true, but you gotta give yourself a chance. he didn't. three boneheaded plays in one inning is bad even by tribe standards.
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