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Shapiro on ABAO

Posted: 10/3/2012 5:25 PM

Shapiro on ABAO 


Bruce mentioned that in 2005 the Tribe didn't make the playoffs. Shapiro said 'it doesn't matter since we still had a good year'. Are you serious? Isn't the whole idea to win the whole thing after making the playoffs? Please fire this moron. He also said that next year is not going to be much better no matter who manages.
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Posted: 10/3/2012 5:33 PM

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Whats the matter with the truth now and then? If you have good years consistently you will get your share of chances to win the whole thing. A manager is no magic panacea, I have said before and still believe a manager can make the difference in 3 or 4 games a year. The only way he has more impact is if he is given a lot of authority on player moves.
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Posted: 10/3/2012 5:44 PM

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come on. rays had a pretty good year and aren't in the playoffs. angels too, and white sox.
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Posted: 10/3/2012 5:49 PM

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He said, "It doesn't matter that we didn't make the playoffs in 05. If you win 93 games you're going to make the playoffs more often than not."

He is right.
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Posted: 10/3/2012 5:56 PM

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jameseboy wrote: Whats the matter with the truth now and then? If you have good years consistently you will get your share of chances to win the whole thing. A manager is no magic panacea, I have said before and still believe a manager can make the difference in 3 or 4 games a year. The only way he has more impact is if he is given a lot of authority on player moves.

So you're saying your fine with how things have gone the last 10 or 11 years?

But where are these consistently good years you're seemingly implying we have had? Yes 2005 was a good year but saying it doesn't matter doesn't exactly leave me with a warm and fuzzy that they are more about getting to the playoffs than just having a "good year".
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Posted: 10/3/2012 6:19 PM

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jason251213 wrote: Bruce mentioned that in 2005 the Tribe didn't make the playoffs. Shapiro said 'it doesn't matter since we still had a good year'. Are you serious? Isn't the whole idea to win the whole thing after making the playoffs? Please fire this moron. He also said that next year is not going to be much better no matter who manages.
He's right.  Next year won't be a whole lot better no matter who manages.  What he fails to say is it's because of his failures along with the guys he's hired.

Since the beginning of 2009, the Tribe has played with all players acquired under Shapiro's watch minus Victor & he was traded mid-2009. In that time frame, they've gone a combined 282-365.  A .436 winning %. A new manager should help a bit.  Getting rid of Shapiro & the guys he's hired should help a whole lot.

If Shapiro stays, I expect the .436 winning % to remain about the same with the same old spin & excuses mixed in.
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Posted: 10/3/2012 10:33 PM

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Tito I am only addressing the comment that a year in which you do not make the playoffs is not a good year. I think the goal has always been consistent play that had you in position to get to the playoffs, the performance has been something else. Much of it has been related to the injuries to Sizemore and Pronk but the results remain poor.
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Posted: 10/4/2012 1:45 PM

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Great show today by @ABAOSTO. Bruce asked some tough questions and got some interesting replies.

Interesting to hear Shapiro say how the biggest problem was poor drafts 6-9 years ago. Don't think I've ever heard him so openly admit that.
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Posted: 10/4/2012 3:35 PM

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Video of Shapiro on ABAO

www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1Pz7iL10_w
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Posted: 10/4/2012 4:00 PM

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Interesting to hear Shapiro say how the biggest problem was poor drafts 6-9 years ago. Don't think I've ever heard him so openly admit that.

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yea, good choices then would be having a positive impact on the MLB team now.
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Posted: 10/4/2012 9:22 PM

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Maybe its not about being in the playoffs (it's nice when it happens) but more about entertaining about 1.5M fans each year at the park, selling food and merchandise and finishing the year in the black.  Spending money on talent cuts into profit and the chances of a potential payoff from a higher payroll is just too low.
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Posted: 10/4/2012 10:56 PM

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What struck me about the Shapiro STO interview was the prickly and defensive attitude shown by the Indians President. He was quick to correct the interviewer that he is in a" leadership not an administrative capacity." He called Brantley an impact player and described the CC trade "a good trade; a trade of impact." Shapiro said sometimes managers get "fired due to injuries and bad luck." He said it was a misconception that the Indians would have much money to spend this off-season. In all, a revealing and sobering interview for Tribe fans.

Last edited 10/4/2012 10:57 PM by DCTribefan

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Posted: 10/5/2012 6:11 AM

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DCTribefan wrote: What struck me about the Shapiro STO interview was the prickly and defensive attitude shown by the Indians President. He was quick to correct the interviewer that he is in a" leadership not an administrative capacity." He called Brantley an impact player and described the CC trade "a good trade; a trade of impact'."
The Tribe has lost approx 55% of their games since they traded CC.  The trade definitely had an impact, but it wasn't good.  Shapiro's constant spin & outright lies are more nauseating by the day.
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Posted: 10/5/2012 7:25 AM

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the indians didn't have a choice on CC - they either traded him or lost him to free agency.

and they went 41-26 for the rest of the season AFTER they traded him.

clearly the trade would look a lot better if laporta had made it and bryson was in the MLB pen right now, but brantley has been a success. they got 6 years of a cost-controlled brantley, who figures to be at least league average, for about 2.5 months of CC.

yea, you'd like to do better and i wouldn't call it a great trade, but it wasn't a failed trade.
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Posted: 10/5/2012 7:57 AM

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I agree that they had no choice in trading CC, but here we are 3-1/2 years later & Shapiro's saying it's a good impact trade?  What a crock.
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Posted: 10/5/2012 8:43 AM

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Say for the sake of the discussion we could have kept CC. You can plug his record, which is with a much better team than would have been behind him here, in place of another of our pitchers. It would not have made this team a playoff team, especially if you subtract Brantley.
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Posted: 10/5/2012 9:00 AM

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jameseboy wrote: Say for the sake of the discussion we could have kept CC. You can plug his record, which is with a much better team than would have been behind him here, in place of another of our pitchers. It would not have made this team a playoff team, especially if you subtract Brantley.
You are correct, but having just Brantley to show for CC made us a worse team. No way for Shap to spin this one.
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Posted: 10/5/2012 11:53 AM

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DCTribefan wrote: What struck me about the Shapiro STO interview was the prickly and defensive attitude shown by the Indians President. He was quick to correct the interviewer that he is in a" leadership not an administrative capacity." He called Brantley an impact player and described the CC trade "a good trade; a trade of impact." Shapiro said sometimes managers get "fired due to injuries and bad luck." He said it was a misconception that the Indians would have much money to spend this off-season. In all, a revealing and sobering interview for Tribe fans.
The bolded sentence troubles me greatly, and I have trouble reconciling it with this blog post from Rany Jazayerli. I'm hoping that Shapiro really does mean this offseason, and is not trying to set expectations for years to come.

If Rany's analysis is correct, and teams are going to be getting a margin free infusion to the tune of $30M per year starting in 2014, I would expect that we're going to enter another era of player salary expansion. I'd like to see the Indians adopt a strategy of signing multiple players to extension over the next several years to get out in front of the increases.

Obviously it takes two to tango, but my guess is that we could offer increases for the years a few years out that seem generous by today's standards, but will come in under what the market rate is going to grow into.
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Posted: 10/5/2012 3:45 PM

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Ocramruf wrote:
I'm hoping that Shapiro really does mean this offseason, and is not trying to set expectations for years to come. 
It would be nice if they would look to FA this offseason as well.  The attempts to time forays into FA with when they perceive the team to be ready hasn't worked.

I understand and agree with being picky in FA, but I don't agree with limiting participation in FA to specific offseasons.  It doesn't seem likely that the right player at the right position at the right price at the right time is going to come along.
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Posted: 10/5/2012 4:01 PM

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DCTribefan wrote: What struck me about the Shapiro STO interview was the prickly and defensive attitude shown by the Indians President. He was quick to correct the interviewer that he is in a" leadership not an administrative capacity." He called Brantley an impact player and described the CC trade "a good trade; a trade of impact." Shapiro said sometimes managers get "fired due to injuries and bad luck." He said it was a misconception that the Indians would have much money to spend this off-season. In all, a revealing and sobering interview for Tribe fans.

First of all, my definition of an impact player vs Shapiro's must be way different. By saying "impact" he must mean a pretty good player. That's not by any stretch what I would use the term "impact" when describing a player.

And by saying it was a trade of impact, he's right. Unfortunately, it was a negative impact not a positive one.
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