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Something positive from September

Posted: 10/2/2012 5:58 PM

Something positive from September 


Next year the offense needs a left fielder, a back up outfielder, a first baseman, and a DH. If they trade away Choo they also need a left fielder.

The good news is Canzler and Carrera have made a good start at taking up two of those spots. They have both played very well. I would not feel bad about coming out of spring training with Carrera as the back up outfielder and maybe even as starting left fielder. I wouldnt mind seeing Canzler at any of those spots. Thats a lot better than I felt in the beginning of September.
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Posted: 10/2/2012 6:21 PM

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I agree Canzler should get a look!!!
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Posted: 10/3/2012 4:29 PM

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At worst Carrera will be one of the better LFers defensively and batting ninth could be a good "second leadoff" hitter.  Or you start Canzler in LF and have Carrera be your defensive replacement. 
Without getting anyone else, you still have:
Choo (why Acta insisted on taking him out of leadoff after making the smart move of putting him there and letting him thrive I don't know) RF
Cabrera SS
Kipnis 2B
Canzler (who else do we have?) (DH)
Brantley LF
Santana 1B
Chisenhall 3B
Marson C
Carrera CF

That is not the worst lineup in the world and actually not too bad.
jameseboy wrote: Next year the offense needs a left fielder, a back up outfielder, a first baseman, and a DH. If they trade away Choo they also need a left fielder.

The good news is Canzler and Carrera have made a good start at taking up two of those spots. They have both played very well. I would not feel bad about coming out of spring training with Carrera as the back up outfielder and maybe even as starting left fielder. I wouldnt mind seeing Canzler at any of those spots. Thats a lot better than I felt in the beginning of September.
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Posted: 10/3/2012 4:38 PM

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Are you kidding, Canzler is awful.   We need LF, RF (no Choo) and 1B - definitely way lacking in power.  He struck out 20 times against 3 walks - and .712 OPS.   And he is terrible in the field.  He could be a DH replacement for Hafner IF he could hit worth a darn.

That said, Rottino and Lillibridge are even more horrible - I mean these are players NOBODY else wants. 

Pitching we need at least two.  Maybe Carrasco will come back strong.  I don't know.

I agree with poster - cut our losses and trade Ubaldo - I think he was the worst starter in the AL this year.  Keep Masterson and hope he bounces back to 2011 form.

So maybe - Masterson, Carrasco, new guy, McAlister and one of Kluber, Barnes, Gomez or Huff.   I don't know why they moved Barnes to bullpen - we need a LH starter.
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Posted: 10/3/2012 6:06 PM

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jameseboy wrote: Next year the offense needs a left fielder, a back up outfielder, a first baseman, and a DH. If they trade away Choo they also need a left fielder.

The good news is Canzler and Carrera have made a good start at taking up two of those spots. They have both played very well. I would not feel bad about coming out of spring training with Carrera as the back up outfielder and maybe even as starting left fielder. I wouldnt mind seeing Canzler at any of those spots. Thats a lot better than I felt in the beginning of September.
If I had a dollar for every player that came up and looked good in September, I'd be retired by now.

Don't get overly hyped by what these players do this time of the year. Nor should you get down on a player who doesn't do anything. Canzler will get a look in ST. What he does is up to him.
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Posted: 10/6/2012 5:02 PM

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Praying that Francona for some sort of payroll spending commitment and we can get a starter like iwakuna, there is however no real free agent first basemen and the shambles that our farm system is in I don't see how we come away with one...which will be very disappointing
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Posted: 10/6/2012 5:57 PM

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Canzler is Shelly Duncan 2.0. Carrera's upside is Endy Chavez. Let's not get carried away.
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Posted: 10/6/2012 7:44 PM

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Canzler has an upside Duncan did not. The point is we have multiple offensive needs. Any ray of hope for a couple of those is huge.
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Posted: 10/7/2012 9:45 AM

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Based on what does Canzler have upside? He's not terribly young, he struck out a bunch in AAA. He's a nice guy to have around cost controlled, but he's no a long term solution at this point.
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Posted: 10/7/2012 11:52 AM

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life is good when your biggest concern is filling he shelly duncan role
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Posted: 10/7/2012 11:42 PM

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Canzler is much younger than Duncan, year before last he hit very well in AAA. Last year he hit well in Sept. Thats an upward trend. I didnt say he was going to be an allstar I said he had a better chance than Duncan, like maybe a number 8 hitter that actually hits.
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Posted: 10/8/2012 7:17 AM

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canzler is merely a younger version of duncan. anyone expecting anything more is going to be disappointed. their minor league stats are remarkably similar.

duncan in 4115 plate appearances, .258/.347/.476

canzler in 3,356 plate appearances, .278/.247/.472

duncan showed a slightly better eye at the plate, with a walk rate of 11% and a K rate of 21%. canzler had a walk rate of 9% and a K rate of 21.5%.

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Posted: 10/8/2012 1:48 PM

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buddy34 wrote:

canzler is merely a younger version of duncan. anyone expecting anything more is going to be disappointed. their minor league stats are remarkably similar.

duncan in 4115 plate appearances, .258/.347/.476

canzler in 3,356 plate appearances, .278/.247/.472

duncan showed a slightly better eye at the plate, with a walk rate of 11% and a K rate of 21%. canzler had a walk rate of 9% and a K rate of 21.5%.


I appreciate the comparative stats, buddy (very interesting) but I'd hesitate to draw any firm conclusions from the numbers alone...are you saying that everybody who put up numbers like these "was another Duncan" and no one ever succeeded in the major leagues following them?  I'm sure the annals of baseball history are replete with long, successful major league careers by players who had worse numbers in the minors. 

Odds are you will be correct, because most fail at the major league level regardless, but putting everyone in neat little boxes so quickly on the basis of superficial similarities ignores differences, some having to do with the intangible human element.  I'm not optimistic about Canzler, but I'd sure as heck like to see it all play out a bit without rushing to judgment.

Overemphasizing the superficial is how organizations end up saddled with disasters like Ubaldo.  There's more to the game than your strikeout rate...or your minor league line.
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Posted: 10/8/2012 2:32 PM

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no rush to judgment. both were decent minor leaguers for a long time. they have similar skill sets, which is way more important than similar stats. i don't see any reason to expect the indians will get more from canzler than they got from duncan. there's no harm in trying, but i'd hate to go into a season counting on something from canzler.
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