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Report out of Boston...it's Francona's job to lose!!!!!!!

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Posted: 10/2/2012 1:11 PM

Report out of Boston...it's Francona's job to lose!!!!!!! 


God, let this be true!!!!!!!! Cleveland FINALLY going after a coach with experience....and Championship experience at that. On a side note, interview moved to Friday. http://www.waitingfornextyear....as-job-to-lose/

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Posted: 10/2/2012 2:18 PM

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TopDawgDixon wrote: God, let this be true!!!!!!!! Cleveland FINALLY going after a coach with experience....and Championship experience at that. On a side note, interview moved to Friday. http://www.waitingfornextyear....as-job-to-lose/

I'm certainly not opposed to this move.
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Posted: 10/2/2012 3:57 PM

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sandy would have to leave then, right?  where do you think he goes?
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Posted: 10/2/2012 5:06 PM

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he wouldn't have to leave, i wouldn't think, though he certainly might choose to.
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Posted: 10/2/2012 5:54 PM

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Sandy would stay where he is as bench coach untill someone offers him a major league managers job.
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Posted: 10/2/2012 6:51 PM

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i guess different opinion, but i cant imagine sandy sitting there like skinner and saying "more, please"
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Posted: 10/2/2012 7:16 PM

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cmasbuck wrote: i guess different opinion, but i cant imagine sandy sitting there like skinner and saying "more, please"
If a team has interest in Sandy as their manager, the Indians won't stand in their way of interviewing him for the job.

2 things that could make him stay. Number 1 would be of course that any offer outside of managing would have to be as their bench coach. If not, he probably would be better off staying. Number 2 is that Francona is a highly thought of manager and Sandy being his bench coach most likey will be a plus in any managerial job he interviews for.
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Posted: 10/2/2012 7:26 PM

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Sandy will ask to be let go to latch on with another organization if he is passed over for a second time from what I have heard.

Make no mistake here it really does not matter who the manager is of this organization as long as the roster continues to contain 35 % total garbage.


No talent = loses 

JMHO
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Posted: 10/2/2012 7:35 PM

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kcatthebat wrote: Sandy will ask to be let go to latch on with another organization if he is passed over for a second time from what I have heard.

Make no mistake here it really does not matter who the manager is of this organization as long as the roster continues to contain 35 % total garbage.


No talent = loses 

JMHO

You're under the misguided belief that anybody here doesn't understand that this team has lots of holes and most won't be filled next season. But a good manager can help get things moving in the right direction. Acta couldn't do that.  

The biggest problem I had with Acta was his insistence on playing veterans with little to no talent over younger players which is one reason why I'm thrilled he's gone

Don't know how Francona will be with the young players, I guess we'll wait and see, but it was obvious that as a manager he was respected by his players and coaches. You can't really say the same about Acta.
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Posted: 10/2/2012 8:15 PM

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We also had John McNamara, former manager of the Red Sox, and look how that turned out.
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Posted: 10/2/2012 9:16 PM

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Still not convinced that another team needing a manager won't swoop in and grab him before the deal is done.  But it would be great to get him. 

At least with a proven manager you can stop wondering if the ineptitude in the standings is due to bad players or a bad manager or a combination of the two.  I just hope he gets a 3-4 year deal because this team still is about 4 starters away from a rotation so the problem isn't getting fixed soon.
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Posted: 10/2/2012 9:23 PM

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http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/blog/index.ssf/2012 /10/by_acknowledging_terry_francon.html#incart_riv er_default

Impressive comments by Alomar and tactically brilliant.  He has to know that he won't get the job over Francona so act like an adult, speak highly of him, and let it play out.  If Francona says "no", Alomar likely is a lock.  Either way he does no damage to his next opportunity.  A good sign of character if he ends up as the plan B.
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Posted: 10/2/2012 9:50 PM

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ssn774 wrote: We also had John McNamara, former manager of the Red Sox, and look how that turned out.
The same manager who helped choke away the 86' series?

That compares to a 2 time World Series winner how? The same manager that came back against our Indians down 3-1 in the 2007 ALCS?

Holy hell is this fan base pessimistic. If we don't sign Francona then we will hear how cheap the team is that they can't bring in a winner. rolleyes
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Posted: 10/2/2012 10:47 PM

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Alomar is one of my favorite player's from the 90's, that being said! I feel Francona coming in will only help this team get better... Francona can pick his coaches and bring in a awesome pitching coach...  Francona finally broke boston's long curse, maybe, just maybe he can come in and find a way too break Clevelands curse!!!
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Posted: 10/2/2012 10:51 PM

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I wonder if Francona could help bring in free agents we are competitive on. So that the team can maybe win a guy by matching an offer instead of blowing it away.
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Posted: 10/2/2012 11:36 PM

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I'm sure Francona could but over the last 7 years makes you think that the Dolans will ever spend the type of cash to sign a quality type free agent for that to happen.

If it were me I would see that this team has been a major problem long term since the Dolans took over and realize that they would never allow me to build a winner here and keep quality players long term and I would treat this job offer like the plague and stay away.
MrBananaGrabber85 wrote: I wonder if Francona could help bring in free agents we are competitive on. So that the team can maybe win a guy by matching an offer instead of blowing it away.
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Posted: 10/2/2012 11:41 PM

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All those salivating at the prospect of Francona managing Tribe seem to overlook his record managing the Phillies who were much closer to the Indians in talent than the Red Sox ever were.

Rk Year Age Tm Lg G W L W-L% Finish Philadelphia Phillies 4 years 648 285 363 .440 4.0 Boston Red Sox 8 years 1296 744 552 .574 2.3 2 Pennants and 2 World Series Titles 12 years 1944 1029 915 .529 2.8 2 Pennants and 2 World Series Titles
1199738Philadelphia PhilliesNL1626894.4205
2199839Philadelphia PhilliesNL1627587.4633
3199940Philadelphia PhilliesNL1627785.4753
4200041Philadelphia PhilliesNL1626597.4015
5200445Boston Red SoxAL1629864.6052WS Champs
6200546Boston Red SoxAL1629567.5862
7200647Boston Red SoxAL1628676.5313
8200748Boston Red SoxAL1629666.5931WS Champs
9200849Boston Red SoxAL1629567.5862
10200950Boston Red SoxAL1629567.5862
11201051Boston Red SoxAL1628973.5493
12201152Boston Red SoxAL1629072.5563
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Posted: 10/3/2012 1:29 AM

His time in Philly... 


just proves the point, even more!!!!!! Showed that he learned from his experience (there's that word again), and didn't make the same mistakes that he did in Philadelphia. Can you say Bill Belicheck...how about Bruce Bochy......John Gruden...Tony Dungy....Dick Vermeil....Joe Girardi....Larry Brown....Chuck Daly...Joe Torre....Tom Coughlin.....Charlie Manual. I can go on & on, with examples from all 3 sports. If a HC does better his "second time around", and ultimately wins the whole thing, just proves that he was really good to begin with

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Posted: 10/3/2012 2:36 AM

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In the four year's that Francona managed the Philly's,  you should go back and look at there pitching staff and line up's..  Some big names while he managed were Curt Shilling and Paul Byrd he had a good catcher in Mike lieberthal and third base man Scott Rolen.  Jimmy Rollins first year was in 2000... I'm not saying that Francona didn't have anything too work with, but the late 2000 team's were much better...


Manual has had Joe Blanton,Cole H, Cliff Lee and the Doc to work with... Manual also had one of the best closer's in Brad lidge and an infield that included Chase Utley, Ryan howard, Jimmy Rollins and an outfield of shane Victorino and Jayson Werth...

A manager can only do so much with the talent he is given!
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Posted: 10/3/2012 9:51 AM

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kcatthebat wrote: I'm sure Francona could but over the last 7 years makes you think that the Dolans will ever spend the type of cash to sign a quality type free agent for that to happen.

If it were me I would see that this team has been a major problem long term since the Dolans took over and realize that they would never allow me to build a winner here and keep quality players long term and I would treat this job offer like the plague and stay away.
MrBananaGrabber85 wrote: I wonder if Francona could help bring in free agents we are competitive on. So that the team can maybe win a guy by matching an offer instead of blowing it away.

I'm not certain you read what I actually wrote, because if you had read what I actually wrote you would not have gone off on the tangent you did.
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