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Tribe talking with Terry Francona!!!!!!!!

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Posted: 9/27/2012 4:19 PM

Tribe talking with Terry Francona!!!!!!!! 


OMG this just broke, my absolute first choice!!!!!!!! I've always said, there's 3 things I look for in a HC (in any sport). #1 Experience at the major level (no stupid college, or minor league guys). #2 Success at the aforementioned level #3 Their personality (the way they run the sidelines, handle the players, etc.etc.). I'll be honest, he seemed kinda' goofy in Boston (the personality part), but now that I've seen him better up close on T.V......... he's a VERY good guy. Hell, I would give him part G.M./ team president duties, if that's what it took to get him to be here. Remeber too, his father played in Cleveland, so he has a natural tie to the team. AN ABSOLUTE PERFECT FIT. Lock him up now, before you head into the offseason & have to compete w/ all of the other teams!!!!!!!!!! http://www.waitingfornextyear....terry-francona/

Last edited 9/27/2012 4:39 PM by TopDawgDixon

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Posted: 9/27/2012 4:46 PM

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TopDawgDixon wrote: OMG this just broke, my absolute first choice!!!!!!!! I've always said, there's 3 things I look for in a HC (in any sport). #1 Experience at the major level (no stupid college, or minor league guys). #2 Success at the aforementioned level #3 Their personality (the way they run the sidelines, handle the players, etc.etc.). I'll be honest, he seemed kinda' goofy in Boston (the personality part), but now that I've seen him better up close on T.V......... he's a VERY good guy. Hell, I would give him part G.M./ team president duties, if that's what it took to get him to be here. Remeber too, his father played in Cleveland, so he has a natural tie to the team. AN ABSOLUTE PERFECT FIT. Lock him up now, before you head into the offseason & have to compete w/ all of the other teams!!!!!!!!!! http://www.waitingfornextyear....terry-francona/
Antonetti has been in contact with Francona since the Red Sox fired him. Francona worked for the front office at one time and it is pretty common to stay in touch with former employees where there are no conflict of interests.

While the Tribe will seriously consider Francona if he is interested it is unlikely the Tribe has reached out to him in the last week.
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Posted: 9/27/2012 5:15 PM

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Ken Rosenthal has blogged that the Tribe has been in contact with Francona.

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Posted: 9/27/2012 5:40 PM

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C'mon Francona earns $4M per year and it is going to take that much to get him here if not more. That would be money taken out of our payroll given the financial state of this team. There is no way he generates that much excitement to be worth it in ticket revenues here.

We would be much better off with a guy like Alomar at $1M per year and use the rest of the cash elsewhere. Alomar would probably generate as much ticket buzz as Francona in this town. And neither one of them are going to win 90 games with this bunch.
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Posted: 9/27/2012 5:43 PM

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I would be very happy with either Francona or Alomar. Choosing soon would be good so they can have input on next years players and coaches
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Posted: 9/27/2012 5:53 PM

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Posted: 9/27/2012 6:13 PM

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Yeah, I'm not really high on hiring Sandy as our manager. Love the guy but I just don't know if he's ready to manage at this point. If I'm not mistaken, I don't believe Alomar has managed at any level.

Given the choice between Francona and Alomar imo, it's a no-brainer. I'll take Francona.

I certainly hope they're interested and get something worked out. Not expecting it, just hopeful.

Oh, and I certainly don't understand the belief that hiring Alomar as our manager is going to result in bigger ticket sales. Who really goes to games to see the manager?
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Posted: 9/27/2012 6:45 PM

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dekauffman wrote: C'mon Francona earns $4M per year and it is going to take that much to get him here if not more. That would be money taken out of our payroll given the financial state of this team. There is no way he generates that much excitement to be worth it in ticket revenues here.

We would be much better off with a guy like Alomar at $1M per year and use the rest of the cash elsewhere. Alomar would probably generate as much ticket buzz as Francona in this town. And neither one of them are going to win 90 games with this bunch.

The team would have $3 million more to resign Sizemore or maybe the 2013 version of Damon.
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Posted: 9/27/2012 6:50 PM

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CalBuckeyeRob wrote:
The team would have $3 million more to resign Sizemore or maybe the 2013 version of Damon.
Good point. Spending that money on Francona probably would be wiser than spending it on the type of free agents they love to go after.
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Posted: 9/27/2012 7:00 PM

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Here we go again. The front office leaking to their friends in the media that the Indians are looking at a manager candidate with name recognition. As with every free agent that they have pursued through their media contacts they will finish second to some other team for Francona, but stress to their fans that their offer was more than fair.
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Posted: 9/27/2012 7:04 PM

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podborney wrote: Here we go again. The front office leaking to their friends in the media that the Indians are looking at a manager candidate with name recognition. As with every free agent that they have pursued through their media contacts they will finish second to some other team for Francona, but stress to their fans that their offer was more than fair.
How did the Indians leak this?
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Posted: 9/27/2012 7:37 PM

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TitoFrancona wrote: Given the choice between Francona and Alomar imo, it's a no-brainer. I'll take Francona.

Plus, of course, he is your son.
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Posted: 9/27/2012 8:39 PM

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I don't think Francona would accept Monopoly money, No. 1. And, No. 2, why in the world would Francona even think about joining this mess when he doesn't have to. John Farrell didn't. This is just another rumor being spread by the front office to make us poor old stupid fans think they're actually trying to get a real major league manager for a change (remember the Bobby Valentine joke). In reality, he who works for the least money gets the job. In the final analysis, it will be either Sandy Alomar or Mike Sarbaugh.
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Posted: 9/27/2012 9:51 PM

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moonriverbuck wrote: I don't think Francona would accept Monopoly money, No. 1. And, No. 2, why in the world would Francona even think about joining this mess when he doesn't have to. John Farrell didn't. This is just another rumor being spread by the front office to make us poor old stupid fans think they're actually trying to get a real major league manager for a change (remember the Bobby Valentine joke). In reality, he who works for the least money gets the job. In the final analysis, it will be either Sandy Alomar or Mike Sarbaugh.
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Posted: 9/28/2012 12:35 PM

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ESPN radio has reported that Terry Francona said that he will interview with the Tribe about its managerial opening.
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Posted: 9/28/2012 1:57 PM

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Peter Gammons @pgammo

There is mutual interest between Francona and Indians. They'll all know better after weekend. Peace, love and understanding may be >$
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Posted: 9/28/2012 2:07 PM

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Per SI.com:


The Indians thought they could "fix" his awful mechanics. Here is how it has worked out in 43 starts with Cleveland: he's actually worse -- 13-21 with a 5.43 ERA. Over his past 79 starts Jimenez is 25-37 with a 4.91 ERA, devolving into Chris Volstad or Luke Hochevar or whatever starter you want to pick who somehow keeps getting the baseball despite lousy results.

This is what happened to what was supposed to be the Cleveland rotation: cut (Lowe), awful (Jimenez), Tommy John surgery (Josh Tomlin), major regression (Justin Masterson) and identify fraud (Roberto Hernandez). Lowe, Jimenez and Masterson started more than half of Cleveland's season (85 games) and each of them posted an ERA worse than 5.00. The manager had no shot.

The Indians were within a game of the World Series in 2007. But in the next two years they traded CC Sabathia and Cliff Lee without getting a single impact player. Starting in 2005, their first round picks were a series of miscalculations: Trevor Crow over Jacoby Ellsbury, the forfeiture of a pick for signing journeyman pitcher Paul Byrd, Beau Mills over Jason Heyward, Alex White over Mike Trout and Drew Pomeranz over Chris Sale. White and Pomeranz were sent away in the Jimenez deal.

It could likely get worse before it gets better. The Indians must explore a trade for Shin-Soo Choo before his walk year. They need a first baseman, a leftfielder and at least two starting pitchers. Closer Chris Perez is far more trouble than he's worth. Acta had little chance with this roster, and the situation doesn't figure to improve quickly.



Read more: sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012...l#ixzz27my7AIq6
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Posted: 9/28/2012 2:15 PM

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Good stuff DCT. Thanks!
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Posted: 9/28/2012 2:27 PM

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great move - what free agent can resist beer and wings in the clubhouse...in the 3rd inning?
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Posted: 9/28/2012 3:04 PM

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dekauffman wrote: C'mon Francona earns $4M per year and it is going to take that much to get him here if not more. That would be money taken out of our payroll given the financial state of this team. There is no way he generates that much excitement to be worth it in ticket revenues here.

We would be much better off with a guy like Alomar at $1M per year and use the rest of the cash elsewhere. Alomar would probably generate as much ticket buzz as Francona in this town. And neither one of them are going to win 90 games with this bunch.
From available information it appears that only a handful of franchises pay managers more than $2 million a year.  Ozzie only got $10 million over four years.

Except for a handful of really rich franchises no one will pay him $4 million and it is doubtful even they would pay him that to start with.  Presumably, if he decides to manage, he will want a minimum of three years.  Starting him at $4 million means a contract of at least $12 million.  That is an awful lot of money to risk when there is a chance that a team will realize things aren't working out.

Also bear in mind Francona is probably earning less than a million with ESPN so any managerial job is likely to pay more.

Finally, if Francona is looking for $4 million it is unlikely he'd be talking to the Tribe or the Tribe would be talking to him.

My guess is the Tribe would go $2-$2.5 million with performance bonuses and a guaranteed contract of at least four years.
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