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2012 News and Musings From Around the Leauge

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Posted: 12/30/2011 11:09 AM

2012 News and Musings From Around the Leauge 


I couldn't help myself.

Happy New Year.
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Posted: 12/30/2011 6:06 PM

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Well played. That 2011 thread is getting a little tired.

Happy New Year!

Posted: 12/31/2011 6:28 PM

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Greetings from the future!

I live in 2012 already! Happy new year and a World Series ring for us! :)
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Posted: 12/31/2011 6:47 PM

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Ein gutes neues Jahr!

Posted: 1/1/2012 7:37 AM

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Bonne Année et Bonne Santé! Vivre les Indiens!

Posted: 1/2/2012 10:20 PM

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@CaminoTribe Nick Camino

Have not heard anything personally...but the #Indians reportedly still looking to add power and have resumed talks with 1B Carlos Pena.

1 hour ago
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Posted: 1/2/2012 10:22 PM

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Everything Posnanski writes is worth reading, but I found this to be particularly fun.
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Posted: 1/3/2012 11:20 AM

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Ocramruf wrote: Everything Posnanski writes is worth reading, but I found this to be particularly fun.
Amazing how timeless brilliance is. And how hard it is for the arrogant to be listened to.

And yeah, I mostly added that because it's a lesson I really could use sometimes.

Posted: 1/4/2012 8:58 AM

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A's sign Coco Crisp in 2-yr, $13MM deal.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_...ics-source-says

Posted: 1/4/2012 9:33 AM

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Ocramruf wrote: Everything Posnanski writes is worth reading, but I found this to be particularly fun.
Great article.  Thanks for the link.  I loved this line:

To quote our guy F.C. Lane again: “There are many men who are fond of making an unsupported statement under the apprehension that they have posited an argument.”

Mike
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Posted: 1/4/2012 11:39 AM

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DetDawg wrote: A's sign Coco Crisp in 2-yr, $13MM deal.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_...ics-source-says
Wow.

This seems like too much to me. I'd have a hard time giving that contract to a guy whose primary asset is speed/defense for his age 33-34 seasons when his results (fielding and hitting) both trended down pretty sharply last year.
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Posted: 1/4/2012 11:43 AM

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Ocramruf wrote:
DetDawg wrote: A's sign Coco Crisp in 2-yr, $13MM deal.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_...ics-source-says
Wow.

This seems like too much to me. I'd have a hard time giving that contract to a guy whose primary asset is speed/defense for his age 33-34 seasons when his results (fielding and hitting) both trended down pretty sharply last year.

Well, to be fair teams use much more advanced defensive metrics than we do. But yea, I can't see any way that his performance warrants this kind of contract.

Posted: 1/4/2012 12:13 PM

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Coco's a projected 3 WAR player for next year and for a CF that's not really all that bad.  6.5 million a year might be overpaying, but not by a lot.  Look at what we're paying Sizemore for a projected 2 WAR.
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Posted: 1/4/2012 12:19 PM

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I guess my main objection is not the money, but the projection.

I just hate betting on veterans who have shown signs of decline to rebound. I'm guessing that he's coasting on defensive reputation at this point and that he'll underperform his contract.
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Posted: 1/4/2012 12:53 PM

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BrianBell wrote: .  Look at what we're paying Sizemore for a projected 2 WAR.
And that assumes he stays healthy and plays--not a safe assumption.
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Posted: 1/4/2012 12:55 PM

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Ocramruf wrote: I guess my main objection is not the money, but the projection.

I just hate betting on veterans who have shown signs of decline to rebound. I'm guessing that he's coasting on defensive reputation at this point and that he'll underperform his contract.
He hasn't  declined - the league as a whole has. Here are Coco's wRC+ over the past 6 seasons:


82
89
99
95
127
100

His 95 mark in 2009 is also subject to some pretty serious bad luck so he has actually improved over the past 3 seasons. Of course he's going to be 32 and 33 over the contract so I suspect there is going to be at least a little regression but he's still a 3 WAR which is a steal for the contract he signed. I don't like the deal for the A's, since they have zero chance on contending, but he would've been a better signing for us than Grady and would've made perfect sense for the Nationals.
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Posted: 1/4/2012 1:04 PM

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DCTribefan wrote:
BrianBell wrote: .  Look at what we're paying Sizemore for a projected 2 WAR.
And that assumes he stays healthy and plays--not a safe assumption.

A healthy Grady projects to a much higher than 2 WAR.
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Posted: 1/4/2012 1:11 PM

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ctyler45 wrote:
DCTribefan wrote:
BrianBell wrote: .  Look at what we're paying Sizemore for a projected 2 WAR.
And that assumes he stays healthy and plays--not a safe assumption.

A healthy Grady projects to a much higher than 2 WAR.
I don't think you can split hairs differentiating between healthy meaning 100% and healthy meaning being able to stay off the DL. That projection assumes that he'll be "healthy", meaning that play 100+ games next season. It's pretty much impossible to project what would happen if Grady no longer had knee problems or whatever caused his plate discipline to deteriorate into something that's just plain old embarrassing.

Posted: 1/4/2012 1:14 PM

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ctyler45 wrote:
DCTribefan wrote:
BrianBell wrote: .  Look at what we're paying Sizemore for a projected 2 WAR.
And that assumes he stays healthy and plays--not a safe assumption.

A healthy Grady projects to a much higher than 2 WAR.
The last time Grady was healthy was in 2009 and he was a 2 WAR player that year (I know he only played in 106 games, but if he plays all 162 games that year, at best you're looking at about 3 WAR).  We're not going to get Grady Sizemore circa 2005-2008 if he's healthy; the 2009 version is much more likely.  A healthy Sizemore now is likely only a 2-3 WAR player; which is right about where Coco Crisp is.
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Posted: 1/4/2012 1:23 PM

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BrianBell wrote:
ctyler45 wrote:
DCTribefan wrote:
BrianBell wrote: .  Look at what we're paying Sizemore for a projected 2 WAR.
And that assumes he stays healthy and plays--not a safe assumption.

A healthy Grady projects to a much higher than 2 WAR.
The last time Grady was healthy was in 2009 and he was a 2 WAR player that year (I know he only played in 106 games, but if he plays all 162 games that year, at best you're looking at about 3 WAR).  We're not going to get Grady Sizemore circa 2005-2008 if he's healthy; the 2009 version is much more likely.  A healthy Sizemore now is likely only a 2-3 WAR player; which is right about where Coco Crisp is.

I think it's pretty debatable whether or not he was healthy. A 27 year old 7 win player doesn't become average overnight.
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