The Braves a rumored to be signing Hudson to a 3-year deal at 9M per. They now have Vasquez, Lowe, Hanson, Jurrijens, Kawakami, and Hudson... with Medlan looking like a decent starter in the future. It apperars the'll be making a trade. I am sure they would pefer to move Lowe, but if they can't any interest in one of there starters?

I suppose Hanson would be off the table. Kawakami is signed for 2 years 13.334 million.  He put up a 3.86 ERA(probably add at least 0.65 in the AL). If we want to make a splash how about Jurrijens. He is young and talented but we would have to give up quite a bit for him. I know some may not think it is a good idea but what about Choo for Jurrijens? Atlanta could use a corner OF and Choo is talented. It probably won't happen but anyone have thoughts on the idea? Trading for Jurrijens would really stick it to Detroit.

i'd love to get jurrijens, but not at the cost of choo. i'd dangle laporta or brantley and some lower-level guys to see if they'd bite.

I don't know that we could get Jurrjens, unless we were willing ot give up a lot. That being said, I'd focus on trying to acquire one of Vazquez or Lowe along with Jo-Jo Reyes, and Kelly Johnson. Vazquez/Lowe provides the veteran MOR starter we need. Johnson becomes the utility infielder, and Reyes provides a decent young starter with potential.

The best part of a deal involving these 3 players is that it won't cost nearly as much to get them. Reyes is nothing more than AAA depth for the Braves rotation. Whichever of Vazquez and Lowe is traded appears to be a cost cutting move, and Johnson is a spare part and the Braves don't won't to pay him to be a back up. Reyes and Johnson are both coming off subpar seasons.

Ultimately, I'd prefer a trade of Vazquez (who has success in the AL Central) Reyes and Johnson.

I'm not too good at suggesting trades, but I'd think LaPorta/Weglarz, Brown, Marte, and Sowers would get it done.

buddy34 wrote:

i'd love to get jurrijens, but not at the cost of choo. i'd dangle laporta or brantley and some lower-level guys to see if they'd bite.

DIYguy2002 wrote:

I don't know that we could get Jurrjens, unless we were willing ot give up a lot. That being said, I'd focus on trying to acquire one of Vazquez or Lowe along with Jo-Jo Reyes, and Kelly Johnson. Vazquez/Lowe provides the veteran MOR starter we need. Johnson becomes the utility infielder, and Reyes provides a decent young starter with potential.

 

The best part of a deal involving these 3 players is that it won't cost nearly as much to get them. Reyes is nothing more than AAA depth for the Braves rotation. Whichever of Vazquez and Lowe is traded appears to be a cost cutting move, and Johnson is a spare part and the Braves don't won't to pay him to be a back up. Reyes and Johnson are both coming off subpar seasons.

 

Ultimately, I'd prefer a trade of Vazquez (who has success in the AL Central) Reyes and Johnson.

 

I'm not too good at suggesting trades, but I'd think LaPorta/Weglarz, Brown, Marte, and Sowers would get it done

 

Why on Earth would we do this?

Why trade Lee and then go give up talent to get somebody worse and more expensive?

I was merely replying to the topic. Jurrjens is pretty much untouchable. If the Braves trade a pitcher, it will be Lowe, Vazquez, or Kawakami. I can also see them trading Reyes, as he is nothing more than AAA depth. Kawakami is too much of a risk, Lowe has too many issues and years on his contract. Vazquez is a veteran, with experience and success in the AL and the AL Central. He is also a free agent after next season. So if we are looking to trade for a veteran starter, who we aren't tied down to for a while, he makes some sense.

If we were to acquire Jurrjens, the asking price is going to start at LaPorta and/or Choo. If we can get him for LaPorta plus, I'd think about it. Choo is asking too much. However, I see the Braves asking for at least one, if not both, plus Brown or Weglarz plus Chisenhall.

If we are going to target a young stud with upside, I'd suggest talking to the Marlins about Josh Johnson.

ctyler45 wrote:

 

DIYguy2002 wrote:

I don't know that we could get Jurrjens, unless we were willing ot give up a lot. That being said, I'd focus on trying to acquire one of Vazquez or Lowe along with Jo-Jo Reyes, and Kelly Johnson. Vazquez/Lowe provides the veteran MOR starter we need. Johnson becomes the utility infielder, and Reyes provides a decent young starter with potential.

 

The best part of a deal involving these 3 players is that it won't cost nearly as much to get them. Reyes is nothing more than AAA depth for the Braves rotation. Whichever of Vazquez and Lowe is traded appears to be a cost cutting move, and Johnson is a spare part and the Braves don't won't to pay him to be a back up. Reyes and Johnson are both coming off subpar seasons.

 

Ultimately, I'd prefer a trade of Vazquez (who has success in the AL Central) Reyes and Johnson.

 

I'm not too good at suggesting trades, but I'd think LaPorta/Weglarz, Brown, Marte, and Sowers would get it done

 

 

Why on Earth would we do this?

 

Why trade Lee and then go give up talent to get somebody worse and more expensive?

I don't understand the point of acquiring any of these guys

Johnson would be nice, but he's about to get really expensive.  Young, cheap, good pitchers aren't acquired without trading your best players, they are developped.

I'm with you on this. At this point there is no need to trade for pitching (unless we can acquire a good solid young ready now FOR starter using our excess 1B/corner OF guys). I think Shapiro will sign his annual reclamation project that can be traded at mid season, but that's about all I see him doing.

That being said, if Shapiro is going to target a MOR vet in a trade, I don't think we can do much better than Vazques, considering what we'd be willing to give up.

ctyler45 wrote:

I don't understand the point of acquiring any of these guys

 

Johnson would be nice, but he's about to get really expensive.  Young, cheap, good pitchers aren't acquired without trading your best players, they are developped.

 

 

There is no need to give up anything of value for that, though (MOR guy) unless they are signed cheap for 3 plus years.

 The bad thing is that we already have a veteran MOR starter in Westbrook.

The good news is he is only under contract for one more season. If I'm Shapiro, I go after a Sheets or Bedard for a season, and see whst happens, and wait until next offseason to make a long term decision on the makings of our rotation.

ctyler45 wrote:

There is no need to give up anything of value for that, though (MOR guy) unless they are signed cheap for 3 plus years.

Look at the price AZ paid for a cost controlled haren a couple yrs ago. I'm not saying jurrjens is in that tier, but based on age, stats, etc he will cost a ton in return. Debate however you want how weak the NL is overall, but he's pitched ace type numbers the least 2 seasons. Theyll attempt to dump lowe/kawakami before they trade jurrjens. Even then they have jason heyward to go soon, plus maybe sign a FA OF before

How about Carrasco, Marson and Donald for Jurrjens?

Yeah, I said it.

TitoFrancona wrote:

How about Carrasco, Marson and Donald for Jurrjens?

 

Yeah, I said it.

I'd trade the first two (Carrasco, Marson) but not the last one.  Valbuena looked nice but I really don't want to pencil in a .715 OPS as the future at 2B, not when you have a guy like Donald who was a superior prospect before he had the knee problems.

Wonder what else would interest the Braves?

Ask, certainly but expect the price to be set way too high....

The Braves have a surplus in pitching, but what the Braves are willing to deal and what the Indians are going to want, just do not match up.

Lowe costs way too much and Vasquez//Hanson/Jurrijens would cost way too much in talent. It's shame they don't have a DH because Hafner for Lowe could be a possibility, alas they clearly won't want him has a 1B.

I would not trade for anyone with mlb experience because by the time we can contend they will leave as a free agent.  I also understand that Hafner is making allot of money for this team but the scary part is 11.5 million is not allot of money in baseball in fact Hafner does not even rank in the top 25 in baseball salaries(nor in the top 100 in baseball history). Again not blaming this on Dolan but the state of this team's economics. I feel mid-market can not longer apply. Knowing this it would be very difficult to acquire any veteran talent making average quality player salaries or expect to resign any key player. Because of this Sizemore for Hanson plus should be considered. This team's fans need to realize this team will never sign any of its very best players. Those that will command atleast 14-15 million and enjoying them while they are here and knowing they will leave is best for the fans to know. Just wish the front office would stop pretending like this will not be the case.

If we're talking about up and coming pitchers to target from other teams, a few i like is jimenez form colorado,  parra from MIL, and on top of my list would be brett anderson.

Lefty throwing mid-high 90's. 8th lowest FIP in all of the AL as a 21 yr old, just ridiculous. I'd even give up laporta for him. I'd buy also on billingsley who had a rough season but has huge upside

I like Josh Johnson, he'd be someone to ask about as well. You guys really think Choo is too much to give up for Jurrjens? Seems like an even trade, I'd hate to see Choo go, but I think he can be more easily replaced than the finding a #2-type starter. I know this brings the question of why Atlanta would do it... and I have no definative answer. I'd assume they would want to explore moving other pitchers first, but if they can't find something to there liking in the trade market or FA I am sure Choo would appeal to them. Kawakami also makes some sense to me. He is older but signed to a relatively cheap contract for only 2 years. He would give guys like Carrasco, Rondon, and Masterson time to develop without having to be counted on for wins.

I think, as I have for a while now, the Indians can contend in 2010. Adding an arm for the rotation helps stregthen our chance. Choo is an expensive piece to give up(for Jurrjens, not Kawakami), but I feel his production could be replaced by a healthy Hafner(cross your fingers), a more experienced Laporta, and a better motivated Peralta. I am not just suggesting trades for the sake of suggesting trades... I'd like to see the club deal from a position of stregnth to help shore up what everyone in the world knows is a question mark. But... I wouldn't give up Choo unless we got a "cost-controlled" FOR type pitcher back in return... any other FOR types that can be had in the trade market? Any ideas?

GopherIndianHybrid wrote: If Choo is traded, I'm not sure there's anyone in the system who profiles as a RF. You'd either have to have Weglarz, but that would be a defensive disaster, or Chisenhall, and he's needed elsewhere.

Also, pitchers get injured more than position players.

Not to mention that Choo is insanely good and underrated.

Right on, brother.  Nail on the head.

The Braves aren't looking to trade any of their top young starters...why would they?  They want to move either Vazquez, Lowe or Kawakami.  The Tribe in it's rebuilding stage, shouldn't be interested in any of those 3.

Jo-Jo Reyes is a kid that I hope the Tribe tries to pry away from the Braves. He's blocked from doing anything in Atlanta & shouldn't cost an arm & a leg in prospects/players.  Wes Hodges (a former Ga Tech player) may interest them as a back-up to Chipper.

Reyes doesn't have the upside of Hanson or Medlin, but I think he could step into our situation & become a decent SP.  He has a good arm, but has command issues, as do many young starters.  The Tribe could be patient whereas the Braves are looking to contend & don't have the luxury of waiting for Reyes to come around.