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Will this team ever sign a top international free agent?

Posted: 8/23/2014 3:24 PM

Will this team ever sign a top international free agent? 


With this team not even bidding on Castillo. My question is simple will this team ever shell out money for a top international free agent at a relatively cheap deal when compared to regular free agents. (much rather have Aberu then swisher) or will we continue to spend on washed up sub par free agents for about the same amount or money?Other teams in our market use this to their advantage think Oakland especially and teams like the Reds who spend more then us but are in the same market.

Last edited 8/23/2014 3:28 PM by Tribefan2003

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Posted: 8/23/2014 5:14 PM

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Doubt it...regular free agents are risky international free agents are very risky. This team cannot afford to be wrong.
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Posted: 8/23/2014 6:51 PM

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i hope not.
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Posted: 8/23/2014 10:37 PM

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Dany Baez??
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Posted: 8/23/2014 11:41 PM

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Steroids are a hell of a drug but I can't imagine that Cuba has a bunch more of these Puig/Abreu types just hanging around.  Do folks forget that prior to Puig/Abreu/Cespedes the Cuban position players who had come over in the last decade+ was pretty underwhelming?  I know the best ones where either loyal to their country or put under lock and key for a long time.  So until the drug cartels got involved in smuggling these guys out it could well be the best simply had no options.  But you have to take each player and each situation differently.

This Castillo seems very interesting, but he is also 27.  The BoSox signed him through his age 34 season.  Why did his agent do this, and not get him a contract like Cespedes that made him a FA in 4 years?  That just strikes me as strange.  Of any of these guys, getting to FA the soonest made the most sense for him and he also had Cuban Mania to work with.  The Sox are also banking on him making a position switch and being good at it.  Not aying the guy can't but to get bumped out of your best position at age 27... I just wonder.  Wish him the best, as usual, the Zetas are counting on him signing anothe deal.
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Posted: 8/24/2014 7:46 AM

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EVER?  My crystal ball says we will sign the Greek wunderkind in 2053 to a mega deal!

There have been lot of ones that have worked out great...  but a whole lot more that haven't...

but as I keep saying...  you can't take chances on these guys because you are too busy spending on guys like Murphy, Raburn, Swisher, Bourn, etc... 

we won't make a splash...  but we sign a lot of blah and wonder why we are a blah team
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Posted: 8/24/2014 8:06 AM

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Perhaps, the thought of playing with Cespedes was very atttractive to Castillo and his agent.  I fully expect Boston to sign Cespedes to a long term contract when he becomes eligible for FA.
allhailshapiro wrote: Steroids are a hell of a drug but I can't imagine that Cuba has a bunch more of these Puig/Abreu types just hanging around.  Do folks forget that prior to Puig/Abreu/Cespedes the Cuban position players who had come over in the last decade+ was pretty underwhelming?  I know the best ones where either loyal to their country or put under lock and key for a long time.  So until the drug cartels got involved in smuggling these guys out it could well be the best simply had no options.  But you have to take each player and each situation differently.

This Castillo seems very interesting, but he is also 27.  The BoSox signed him through his age 34 season.  Why did his agent do this, and not get him a contract like Cespedes that made him a FA in 4 years?  That just strikes me as strange.  Of any of these guys, getting to FA the soonest made the most sense for him and he also had Cuban Mania to work with.  The Sox are also banking on him making a position switch and being good at it.  Not aying the guy can't but to get bumped out of your best position at age 27... I just wonder.  Wish him the best, as usual, the Zetas are counting on him signing anothe deal.
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Posted: 8/24/2014 10:12 AM

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Yet a Oakland can? Risky yes but rather take a risk on a player with great upside then spend that money on minimal upside i.e. bourn,swisher .Baez I believe was under the last owner the one who spent lol.

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Posted: 8/24/2014 11:50 AM

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Tribefan2003 wrote: Yet a Oakland can? Risky yes but rather take a risk on a player with great upside then spend that money on minimal upside i.e. bourn,swisher .Baez I believe was under the last owner the one who spent lol.
Oakland didn't have albatross contracts on their roster like we do with Swisher and Bourn neither.  If Billy Beane even had one 15 million dollar a year player on their roster at the time Cespedes defected, he would not have been allowed to even make an offer to Cespedes by ownership.  Oakland was in a spot where they had little to no sizable contracts on their payroll and Beane was allowed to gamble on Cespedes.

Don't get me wrong I used to be in the boat of our ownership being cheap, but I don't know how you can say that after we signed Bourn and Swisher to big contracts and gave the likes of Santana, Gomes and Kipnis very nice long-term contracts that will pay them well.  The Dolans have actually opened up their checkbook the last couple of years, but in no way shape or form should they have opened it up to give Castillo a 7 year deal.  Now if they could have got him for a Cespedes like contract in the 4 year range, then yeah it would have been worth a shot, but not for 7 years and I think Boston will regret giving him a 7-year deal as well.
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Posted: 8/24/2014 11:59 AM

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Oakland also signed Cespedes to a four year deal with no arbitration. It was a calculated risk for them.
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Posted: 8/24/2014 12:58 PM

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Swisher replaced Hafners contract. Neither him or Bourn also are in the top 50 in terms of salaries so I would hardly call them big contracts.
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Posted: 8/24/2014 1:10 PM

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Tribefan2003 wrote: Swisher replaced Hafners contract. Neither him or Bourn also are in the top 50 in terms of salaries so I would hardly call them big contracts.
They are big for the market this team is in.
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Posted: 8/24/2014 7:45 PM

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The only way Cleveland is going to contend consistently is from drafting and developing and through savvy trades. Harping about signing FA's is irrelevant because that is not the way this team is going to build a winning ball club.
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Posted: 8/24/2014 8:51 PM

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I don't think any team consistently contends via FA...

drafting and developing... but also international signings (not so much the high profile ones but the basic development ones) is just as big if not bigger... 

and making moves for minor leaguers

developing them
signing the right ones to a year or two past FA...
letting them GO (if they are contending)/trading them (if not contending)
doing a good job identifying high value/low risk players: the Kazmir 2013s, Gomes of the world... 
letting them go...

and at some point making the BIG move for their own FA that is a superstar to be the centerpiece...

but signing FAs isn't going to get it done

the original post mentioned the reds...  that franchise had this year and MAYBE next before they are DOA for a decade due to their crazy contranct
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Posted: 8/25/2014 12:31 AM

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I disagree international free agents are a way for a small market club to strike it rich cheap. As I said before Abreu is only making a little more then Swisher and is much younger. I would rather take a chance on an Aberu with upside then a aging good but not great player in Swisher.The Indians time after time trying playing it safe signing these Bourn,Swisher types over the Jose aberu types who if they had no risk would command 20 million +. So don't you think it is worth the risk? Especially since you can't spend the big money for proven stars?
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Posted: 8/25/2014 2:47 PM

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In late autumn 2012, two young teammates on the legendary Cuban team Villa Clara, shoved off in a raft, hoping to pursue life--and a baseball career--elsewhere.  It was a risky venture, as both players had not proven much to that point--one was 19, the other 21--but each had participated in international competitions on Cuban national teams all over the world, and both were considered so talented that they already had several years with Villa Clara under their belt already.  The older one had participated in the Cuban national championship, which was met with great anticipation, because his dad, Jorge "The Spider," was a revered player, having played on three Villa Clara teams that won it all.

When the two young men made it to America, they found all sorts of difficulties, red tape, and processing, not just from US immigration authorities, but Major League Baseball and its regulations regarding international players.  Finally, after a long eight months, the two were ruled eligible to sign in the US, and despite not having played anywhere recently, and not being heavily scouted in Cuba, and wanting to sign together with the same club, they found a home with the Cleveland Indians.

This spring, despite being away from home for so long, and not having played competitively for two years, the older of the two rafters made his debut in the Cleveland system, and promptly broke his wrist trying to steal a base on opening night.  Ross Atkins recently said, "I can't even conceive of what that young man has had to overcome to get to where he is today."  And where Yandy Diaz is today is the sparkplug in the Carolina Mudcat offense, hitting .280/.389/.362/.751 in his first taste of competition stateside.  He has walked 43 times and struck out only 32 times, which is not an anomaly; he always walked more than he struck out in Cuba, and he has transferred that skill nicely to a tough initial stop in the minors.  At 6' 2", 185, there is every reason to believe he will grow into his frame nicely and develop more pop.  There's still a lot for Yandy to learn--third base may not be his eventual position--and a lot to adjust to in the US, but the story is amazing, and there's a lot to root for there.  Expect the Tribe to continue to push Diaz hard next year as well.  

Yandy's younger teammate, Leandro, is having greater difficulty translating his skills to the US game and is currently struggling in Arizona.  Linares is a raw 6' 3" 205 lb. hard-throwing right hander who is having trouble locating the strike zone, walking 27 in 34 innings; he has struck out 36, but is also getting hit hard, surrendering 36 hits and 32 earned runs so far this summer.  The transition has clearly been more challenging for Leandro than Yandy, but hope remains for the 20 year old.

Whether you like it or not, these are the kinds of gambles the Tribe will mostly take in international waters; expecting Cleveland to roll the dice on guys like Cespedes, Abreu, Tanaka, and Castillo is just not in the cards.  It's like expecting your blue collar parents to give you a brand new Porsche for graduation; it ain't gonna happen.

Me, I'm just going to enjoy the last couple of weeks of Yandy's Carolina summer.
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Posted: 8/25/2014 4:46 PM

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These were good additions to the tribe.

I'm not sure I agree that the Tribe can't compete for the top international talent.   For instance a talent like Abreu cost was probably 10M/A for I don't know how many years.  


if you consider the fact that he had never played an inning of minor league ball and was at least 25: there is a substantial risk.  If you considered him a can't miss prospect in his prime than his $!0/A cost is pretty cheap compare to what a Cabrera would cost you.

What I think is going to happen is the prospects are going to have less and less experience and will more likely need more seasoning which should translate to lower cost.
WhoAzcue wrote: In late autumn 2012, two young teammates on the legendary Cuban team Villa Clara, shoved off in a raft, hoping to pursue life--and a baseball career--elsewhere.  It was a risky venture, as both players had not proven much to that point--one was 19, the other 21--but each had participated in international competitions on Cuban national teams all over the world, and both were considered so talented that they already had several years with Villa Clara under their belt already.  The older one had participated in the Cuban national championship, which was met with great anticipation, because his dad, Jorge "The Spider," was a revered player, having played on three Villa Clara teams that won it all.

When the two young men made it to America, they found all sorts of difficulties, red tape, and processing, not just from US immigration authorities, but Major League Baseball and its regulations regarding international players.  Finally, after a long eight months, the two were ruled eligible to sign in the US, and despite not having played anywhere recently, and not being heavily scouted in Cuba, and wanting to sign together with the same club, they found a home with the Cleveland Indians.

This spring, despite being away from home for so long, and not having played competitively for two years, the older of the two rafters made his debut in the Cleveland system, and promptly broke his wrist trying to steal a base on opening night.  Ross Atkins recently said, "I can't even conceive of what that young man has had to overcome to get to where he is today."  And where Yandy Diaz is today is the sparkplug in the Carolina Mudcat offense, hitting .280/.389/.362/.751 in his first taste of competition stateside.  He has walked 43 times and struck out only 32 times, which is not an anomaly; he always walked more than he struck out in Cuba, and he has transferred that skill nicely to a tough initial stop in the minors.  At 6' 2", 185, there is every reason to believe he will grow into his frame nicely and develop more pop.  There's still a lot for Yandy to learn--third base may not be his eventual position--and a lot to adjust to in the US, but the story is amazing, and there's a lot to root for there.  Expect the Tribe to continue to push Diaz hard next year as well.  

Yandy's younger teammate, Leandro, is having greater difficulty translating his skills to the US game and is currently struggling in Arizona.  Linares is a raw 6' 3" 205 lb. hard-throwing right hander who is having trouble locating the strike zone, walking 27 in 34 innings; he has struck out 36, but is also getting hit hard, surrendering 36 hits and 32 earned runs so far this summer.  The transition has clearly been more challenging for Leandro than Yandy, but hope remains for the 20 year old.

Whether you like it or not, these are the kinds of gambles the Tribe will mostly take in international waters; expecting Cleveland to roll the dice on guys like Cespedes, Abreu, Tanaka, and Castillo is just not in the cards.  It's like expecting your blue collar parents to give you a brand new Porsche for graduation; it ain't gonna happen.

Me, I'm just going to enjoy the last couple of weeks of Yandy's Carolina summer.
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Posted: 8/26/2014 11:39 AM

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tribe should follow the cavaliers lead - load up on foreigners like wiggins and bennett and then trade them for a yank
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Posted: 8/26/2014 1:24 PM

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cmasbuck wrote: tribe should follow the cavaliers lead - load up on foreigners like wiggins and bennett and then trade them for a yank
Ha.
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Posted: 8/27/2014 9:04 PM

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it's about volume... that one great one is awesome but you also risk the bust...  with multiple guys at a lower price you can build more depth throughout the organization...
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