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Michael Bourne

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Posted: 8/23/2014 1:26 PM

Michael Bourne 


Bourne in my opinion is not working as the guy to start the emotion of the game. I feel he should hit ninth. Most the the time he doesn't fill the role as a player who gets on base. I know in my playing days on softball teams,we had guys in the lead off position that were the spark of the team. I know we are talking a whole different world in pro ball BUT emotions can spark the team and Bourne is NOT getting it done!!!!!
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Posted: 8/23/2014 5:15 PM

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Yep Bourne does not look like the Bourne of three years ago and its looking more and more like age is catching up to him.
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Posted: 8/24/2014 12:35 AM

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Who is this Bourne guy was he in a movie? devil
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Posted: 8/24/2014 7:39 AM

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He's Jason's long lost twin brother in the new sequel... cool

anyway...  he's certainly not what they hoped for and it's not entirely unexpected...
but WHAT did you expect?  He has a .320OBP this year but his career OBP is .334 so it's hardly some dramatic drop...  I mean the guy has a .689 OPS this year and .699 for his career!  he's had 4 years with higher OPS and 4 lower... 
the only thing he's' not doing as much is stealing bases... and we think his defense isn't as good but not only is that's subjective but none of us really paid any attention to him before he came here...

as disappointed in him as I am...  what bothers me more is that he's no actually doing worse than you should reasonably expect!  (meaning I have no idea why we paid him what we did!)

That said...  I don't see anybody better to lead off on this team

Last edited 8/24/2014 7:40 AM by buckeyedanpt2

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Posted: 8/24/2014 11:21 AM

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buckeyedanpt2 wrote: He's Jason's long lost twin brother in the new sequel... cool

anyway...  he's certainly not what they hoped for and it's not entirely unexpected...
but WHAT did you expect?  He has a .320OBP this year but his career OBP is .334 so it's hardly some dramatic drop...  I mean the guy has a .689 OPS this year and .699 for his career!  he's had 4 years with higher OPS and 4 lower... 
the only thing he's' not doing as much is stealing bases... and we think his defense isn't as good but not only is that's subjective but none of us really paid any attention to him before he came here...

as disappointed in him as I am...  what bothers me more is that he's no actually doing worse than you should reasonably expect!  (meaning I have no idea why we paid him what we did!)

That said...  I don't see anybody better to lead off on this team
We probably paid him for the steals and outfield defense, something he cant do anymore with his bad legs. Yeah his career OBP really isn't that great for a leadoff guy. Sure looks crappy now.
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Posted: 8/24/2014 11:34 AM

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It is not like we signed Ellsbury you get what you pay for.
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Posted: 8/24/2014 12:06 PM

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Bourn before the injury in July wasn't playing terribly.  He was playing on a pace to have around 190 hits and 90-95 runs scored if you project the numbers out to a full season and those are pretty close to the numbers he put up in 2012 in Atlanta when he was a 6.0 WAR player.  The problem this year (as it has been with most of our regulars) has been his defense.  Bourn is having his worst year in the majors defensively and I think a lot of that has to do with the 2 separate hamstring injuries he's had this year.  He's probably concerned about re-aggravating the injury that he's not going as hard after fly balls as he normally would.  Bourn even with the low stolen bases, if he were playing the defense that we know he's capable of playing, would still be a 2-4 WAR player which would justify his salary.  It's just been a bad year for nagging injuries for this team.  Bourn with his hamstrings, Kipnis with his oblique.  Swisher with his knees (not saying that's the reason he stunk so bad, but again you also can't say that it's not the reason neither as your lower body is as important as your upper body when it comes to hitting).  It's no surprise that our best hitters are also the guys who have stayed relatively healthy this year (Brantley, Gomes, Santana).
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Posted: 8/24/2014 11:32 PM

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Tribefan2003 wrote: It is not like we signed Ellsbury you get what you pay for.
Yep, I'm sure the Yankees are absolutely thrilled with Jacoby's .275/.340/.398/.738 for $21 million...
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Posted: 8/25/2014 12:37 AM

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Give him a year to adjust and its not hes having a terrible year 34 sbs. If Bourn had the year Jacoby was having on a bad year we would be thrilled. Gr-anted hes overpaid but my point was Bourn wasn't an elite player like Ellsbery is so you can't expect that much from him.

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Posted: 8/25/2014 1:25 AM

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Tribefan2003 wrote:

Give him a year to adjust and its not hes having a terrible year 34 sbs. If Bourn had the year Jacoby was having on a bad year we would be thrilled. Gr-anted hes overpaid but my point was Bourn wasn't an elite player like Ellsbery is so you can't expect that much from him.

Adjust to what exactly?  Having a home-run porch 300 feet away to his pull side?  Playing in the New York media fishbowl vs. the Boston media fishtank?  For god's sake, Ellsbury's 30 years old, a playoff and World Series veteran.  The only thing he has to adjust to is being filthy rich. 

Oh wait, maybe you're right.  That's quite the adjustment, realizing you're going to be paid $21 million until you're 37, and don't have to have another good year the rest of your career.  Oh yeah, I fully expect him to get better.  Much, much better.
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Posted: 8/25/2014 5:44 PM

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Yeah I have no idea what he would need to adjust to. Same league same division same type of fan base. He's a streaky hitter, and too fragile to warrant the the huge contract.

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Tribefan2003 wrote:

Give him a year to adjust and its not hes having a terrible year 34 sbs. If Bourn had the year Jacoby was having on a bad year we would be thrilled. Gr-anted hes overpaid but my point was Bourn wasn't an elite player like Ellsbery is so you can't expect that much from him.

Adjust to what exactly?  Having a home-run porch 300 feet away to his pull side?  Playing in the New York media fishbowl vs. the Boston media fishtank?  For god's sake, Ellsbury's 30 years old, a playoff and World Series veteran.  The only thing he has to adjust to is being filthy rich. 

Oh wait, maybe you're right.  That's quite the adjustment, realizing you're going to be paid $21 million until you're 37, and don't have to have another good year the rest of your career.  Oh yeah, I fully expect him to get better.  Much, much better.

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Posted: 8/25/2014 9:39 PM

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Give him a year to adjust and its not hes having a terrible year 34 sbs. If Bourn had the year Jacoby was having on a bad year we would be thrilled. Gr-anted hes overpaid but my point was Bourn wasn't an elite player like Ellsbery is so you can't expect that much from him.



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The only thing Ellsbury is going to adjust to is getting older and losing his speed. He's already 30.

Michael Bourn averaged 4.5 WAR the 4 seasons prior to signing with the Indians. That's very good and comparable to Ellsbury minus his outlier 2011 season. A slight regression was fair to expect with Bourn, but the complete nosedive is a bit of surprise. I don't think anyone predicted such a steep and rapid decline.

At the end of the day, playing the free agency game with players approaching or over 30 is a bad idea. Doesn't matter if it's Bourn or Ellsbury, the Indians just need say no.
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Posted: 8/25/2014 11:03 PM

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With HOlt on the 25 man, Francona really has NO excuse to be using Bourn at leadoff anymore against LHP, NONE!
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Posted: 8/27/2014 9:08 PM

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Tribefan2003 wrote:

Give him a year to adjust and its not hes having a terrible year 34 sbs. If Bourn had the year Jacoby was having on a bad year we would be thrilled. Gr-anted hes overpaid but my point was Bourn wasn't an elite player like Ellsbery is so you can't expect that much from him.

ah... if the yanks were paying Ellsbery like Bourn they'd be thrilled!

Bourn is over paid by there's a world of difference between 4-48 and 7-153!
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Posted: 8/28/2014 10:17 AM

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Yes. Times 1000.

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Tribefan2003 wrote:Give him a year to adjust and its not hes having a terrible year 34 sbs. If Bourn had the year Jacoby was having on a bad year we would be thrilled. Gr-anted hes overpaid but my point was Bourn wasn't an elite player like Ellsbery is so you can't expect that much from him.

ah... if the yanks were paying Ellsbery like Bourn they'd be thrilled!

Bourn is over paid by there's a world of difference between 4-48 and 7-153!

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Posted: 8/29/2014 11:31 AM

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All of a sudden the last couple of games Bourne plays like he is healthy again. Great diving catch, two triples and a fine play coming home on an infield ground ball. If he can keep that kind of play going everything changes.
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Posted: 8/29/2014 3:27 PM

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jameseboy wrote: All of a sudden the last couple of games Bourne plays like he is healthy again. Great diving catch, two triples and a fine play coming home on an infield ground ball. If he can keep that kind of play going everything changes.
Personally I think trying to score on the GO was really risky, and maybe took more risk than necessary, it would have been one out with a runner on 3rd and Brantley coming up.  Still a better than 50% chance of scoring, that play was a lot closer than I would have liked.
Interesting thing on the play, JRam was so fast that I think Ramirez was not expecting him to almost beat the throw, if Bourn had made a semi-bluff to go home causing Ramirez to pause or double-clutch, JRam is safe.

Last edited 8/29/2014 3:27 PM by Hawaii007

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