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Masterson traded for James Ramsey

Posted: 7/30/2014 2:10 PM

Masterson traded for James Ramsey 


I do not like the trade they were asking for young pitching another outfielder who is already 24?http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/...-masterson.html

Last edited 7/30/2014 2:17 PM by Tribefan2003

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Posted: 7/30/2014 2:21 PM

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Cabrera can still be moved for an arm.

I think they need to challenge Ramsey with a Columbus assignment...might play alongside his FSU teammate in Tyler Holt. Stock goes up for Ramsey if he proves he can play right. He's a surer bet than Moncrief.
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Posted: 7/30/2014 2:24 PM

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Left handed stick, looks to have ok power:

www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats...._pbp&pid=607256

m.stltoday.com/no-james-ramsey...bile_touch=true

AA right now, maybe a move to AAA is in order.
Could be in the outfield next year.

I think this is commentary about how the Tribe feels about any outfielder not named "Brantley"
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Posted: 7/30/2014 2:25 PM

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James Ramsey

Rank: 6

Springfield Cardinals (AA)

ETA: 2015

Position: OF

Age: 24, DOB: 12/19/1989

Bats: L, Throws: R

Height: 6' 0", Weight: 190

Drafted: 2012, 1st (23) - STL

Twitter: @jamesramsey23

 

 

Scouting grades: Hit: 55 | Power: 45 | Run: 60 | Arm: 50 | Field: 55 | Overall: 50

Ramsey drew Tim Tebow comparisons at Florida State, where he stood out as a star athlete with obvious leadership skills and a strong Christian faith. The Rhodes Scholar nominee turned down second-round money from the Twins as a 22nd-round pick in 2011, then he went 23rd overall as a senior the following June, signing for $1.6 million with the Cardinals.

Coming out of college, Ramsey projected as a solid hitter, but there were mixed opinions on how much power he would have. In his first full pro season, Ramsey hit for less average (.265) and more home run power (16) than might have been expected, while spending most of the year in Double-A. He's doing a better job of finding a happy medium in Triple-A this season.

Ramsey draws a healthy amount of walks and has plus speed, though he's not a big baserunning threat. He puts his wheels to good use in center field, and he also has enough arm strength to handle right field.

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Posted: 7/30/2014 2:31 PM

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when he was drafted

"Scouts see Ramsey as much the same player he was last year, with average to above-average tools but no true plus tool. He's an above-average runner who might be able to stick in center field, though some scouts question his instincts and doubt he could stick there in a larger home park. He has an average, accurate arm sufficient for right field. Ramsey has average power but may not have corner power. He's a safe bet to be a big leaguer, with scouts split on just how much impact he'll have. He has yet to play the infield, but another club might want to follow the Twins' lead and try him at second in a Jason Kipnis redux."

-baseballamerica
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Posted: 7/30/2014 2:31 PM

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Tribefan2003 wrote: I do not like the trade they were asking for young pitching another outfielder who is already 24?http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/...-masterson.html

Well, Masterson is injured, a rental, and has a 5.51 ERA.  To get a decent prospect is pretty nice.  Ramsey looks like a decent prospect.  Yeah, he's 24, but he was also drafted as a college senior.
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Posted: 7/30/2014 2:32 PM

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I like this trade & give Antonetti kudos for striking while some of the better SP's were still out there.

Ramsey isn't Taveras, but I think he can be a solid player.  That's a good return for a rental who was pitching as poorly as Masty has been this season.

Best of luck to Masty as a Card.
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Posted: 7/30/2014 2:33 PM

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I offer him a QO and let him boast his value play out the season if we are in the hunt next year or get the draft pick.

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Posted: 7/30/2014 2:33 PM

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The return for Masterson was better than I expected, that's for sure.
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Posted: 7/30/2014 2:35 PM

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Tribefan2003 wrote: I offer him a QO and let him boast his value play out the season if we are in the hunt next year or get the draft pick.
I don't think the Tribe wanted the risk that he picked up the QO, and frankly neither did I.  I take Ramsey and move on.
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Posted: 7/30/2014 2:43 PM

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WhoAzcue wrote:
Tribefan2003 wrote: I offer him a QO and let him boast his value play out the season if we are in the hunt next year or get the draft pick.
I don't think the Tribe wanted the risk that he picked up the QO, and frankly neither did I.  I take Ramsey and move on.

No kidding.
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Posted: 7/30/2014 2:44 PM

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Gammons really likes the kid:

@pgammo: James Ramsey is a great get for Cleveland. Smart, leader, great attitude, hand/eye coordination
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Posted: 7/30/2014 2:49 PM

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I like the front office's track record on deals like this.  Santana, Cabrera, and Kluber all came from deals like this.  Mark me down as optimistic and intrigued by Ramsey.  

Any news on where he will report?  Gotta be Columbus, right?
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Posted: 7/30/2014 2:59 PM

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was confirmed columbus.....so wish he was a righty for a change....
IdahoTribesman wrote: I like the front office's track record on deals like this.  Santana, Cabrera, and Kluber all came from deals like this.  Mark me down as optimistic and intrigued by Ramsey.  

Any news on where he will report?  Gotta be Columbus, right?
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Posted: 7/30/2014 3:05 PM

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cardinals sold high, we sold low. and therein lies the difference in the organizations.

and i'm not being critical of the tribe front office. this is just the way it played out.

from a cardinal observer, after MLB just rated ramsey 6th in the st. louis system:

Ramsey does not really have one “plus” tool, but does a lot of things well.

Last edited 7/30/2014 3:07 PM by buddy34

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Posted: 7/30/2014 3:05 PM

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If Ramsey batted RH, I'd be thrilled with the return. I worry, however, he joins a logjam at the left side of the plate. Not a bad return for the current shape of Masterson with no guarantee he will return to be the Masterson of 2013.
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Posted: 7/30/2014 3:08 PM

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buddy34 wrote: cardinals sold high, we sold low. and therein lies the difference in the organizations.

and i'm not being critical of the tribe front office. this is just the way it played out.

from a cardinal observer, after MLB just rated ramsey 6th in the st. louis system:

Ramsey does not really have one “plus” tool, but does a lot of things well.
Can't see how you can categorize Masterson as selling low when he is injured, been ineffectual all year and a FA in two months.
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Posted: 7/30/2014 3:22 PM

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Yeah, I mean his value is at its lowest but what could they really do?

I also don't know how high the Cardinals are selling on this guy. He's a first round draft pick that has done nothing but succeed in professional baseball.
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Posted: 7/30/2014 3:27 PM

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Rankings of Ramsey within Cards Prospects:

BA #8
MLB.com unranked
Bleacher Report #6 "projects as 4th OF"
Fangraphs #7



The Scouting Report: Ramsey has off-the-charts makeup. He’s also an above-average center-fielder but is far from flashy. At the plate, he strikes out too much but shows a patient approach that helps boost his on-base percentage. Ramsey has good speed but isn’t much of a base stealer and his double-digit homer total in 2013 was a bit of a surprise.

The Year Ahead: Ramsey is probably ticketed to open the year in Triple-A. He has a few outfielders ahead of him on the depth chart but he has a shot at making his MLB debut perhaps in the second half of the year.

The Career Outlook: Ramsey has the tools to develop into an average big league outfielder who will have an additional impact to the team based on his leadership abilities.

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Minorleagueball.com (Sickels)  #7  C+ grade
Cardinalsfarm.com: #6

6. James Ramsey

Ramsey is probably the most improved prospect on this list for me and I may have him rated higher than others, but I feel like he could be a difference maker in center field.  Ramsey, who will turn 24 in December, is not a young buck. If he can cut down on is strikeouts, I feel like he could be the Cards everyday center-fielder for a long time.

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Posted: 7/30/2014 3:32 PM

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well, he had a .648 OPS in his first year, then .814 in his second (.780 at AA) and is at .918 right now, repeating AA at age 24, which is about the median league age.

he's not a base stealer, strikes out twice as much as he walks and has marginal (though perhaps developing) power. he feels a lot like tyler naquin to me, with a little more power.

if he can play CF and hit anything close to what he's doing now, it's a great deal. if he can play in the majors and contribute, it's a good deal.

and it's about what we could expect, given masterson's faceplant this year.

Last edited 7/30/2014 3:33 PM by buddy34

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