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Grady Sizemore

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Posted: 1/4/2014 8:29 AM

Grady Sizemore 


The Reds say that Sizemore said he's healthy??? Can this be? If so why did Cleveland not offer him minor league deal?
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Posted: 1/4/2014 8:51 AM

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If I wanted to get back in the major leagues I would say I'm healthy too. 

Even if he is healthy, being out of action that long and past the prime of his career it wont be easy to be productive again. noidea
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Posted: 1/4/2014 11:11 AM

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I would assume the Tribe hasn't offered him a  minor league deal for the same reason the Reds haven't yet, despite 'discussions.'  7 surgeries in 3 years might also be playing a role here, he has to show he is healthy- do a workout, whatever.  Such a shame to see how quickly his career derailed, hopefully he can still do something- got hurt before he could even cash in.  At least he got that gimmie 5m at the end there.

Posted: 1/4/2014 11:18 AM

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He should come back for one year and play for free since he fleeced them for that last 5 million
allhailshapiro wrote: I would assume the Tribe hasn't offered him a  minor league deal for the same reason the Reds haven't yet, despite 'discussions.'  7 surgeries in 3 years might also be playing a role here, he has to show he is healthy- do a workout, whatever.  Such a shame to see how quickly his career derailed, hopefully he can still do something- got hurt before he could even cash in.  At least he got that gimmie 5m at the end there.
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Posted: 1/4/2014 12:39 PM

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..or he could instead demand back pay for the huge discount the team got on his top-level play from 03-07, when they paid him less than 5m combined.  noidea
JCrawdad wrote:
He should come back for one year and play for free since he fleeced them for that last 5 million
allhailshapiro wrote: I would assume the Tribe hasn't offered him a  minor league deal for the same reason the Reds haven't yet, despite 'discussions.'  7 surgeries in 3 years might also be playing a role here, he has to show he is healthy- do a workout, whatever.  Such a shame to see how quickly his career derailed, hopefully he can still do something- got hurt before he could even cash in.  At least he got that gimmie 5m at the end there.

Posted: 1/5/2014 1:05 AM

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That's why they all should get paid at the end of the year for their performance, league base pay plus your performance to bad they let the union get to strong for that
allhailshapiro wrote: ..or he could instead demand back pay for the huge discount the team got on his top-level play from 03-07, when they paid him less than 5m combined.  noidea
JCrawdad wrote:
He should come back for one year and play for free since he fleeced them for that last 5 million
allhailshapiro wrote: I would assume the Tribe hasn't offered him a  minor league deal for the same reason the Reds haven't yet, despite 'discussions.'  7 surgeries in 3 years might also be playing a role here, he has to show he is healthy- do a workout, whatever.  Such a shame to see how quickly his career derailed, hopefully he can still do something- got hurt before he could even cash in.  At least he got that gimmie 5m at the end there.
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Posted: 1/5/2014 8:47 AM

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The union got too strong for this?  Wait, was that the system in place before the union was created then?  I must have missed that.  And how do you pay based on performance?  Number of wins?  Personal stats?  Is this how you do your job, you don't get paid unless you outperform your coworkers?
JCrawdad wrote:
That's why they all should get paid at the end of the year for their performance, league base pay plus your performance to bad they let the union get to strong for that
allhailshapiro wrote: ..or he could instead demand back pay for the huge discount the team got on his top-level play from 03-07, when they paid him less than 5m combined.  noidea
JCrawdad wrote:
He should come back for one year and play for free since he fleeced them for that last 5 million
allhailshapiro wrote: I would assume the Tribe hasn't offered him a  minor league deal for the same reason the Reds haven't yet, despite 'discussions.'  7 surgeries in 3 years might also be playing a role here, he has to show he is healthy- do a workout, whatever.  Such a shame to see how quickly his career derailed, hopefully he can still do something- got hurt before he could even cash in.  At least he got that gimmie 5m at the end there.
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Posted: 1/5/2014 10:03 AM

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Sizemore is still only 31. Who didn't expect to see him at least try to make a comeback?

Posted: 1/5/2014 1:25 PM

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JCrawdad wrote:
That's why they all should get paid at the end of the year for their performance, league base pay plus your performance to bad they let the union get to strong for that
allhailshapiro wrote: ..or he could instead demand back pay for the huge discount the team got on his top-level play from 03-07, when they paid him less than 5m combined.  noidea
JCrawdad wrote:
He should come back for one year and play for free since he fleeced them for that last 5 million
allhailshapiro wrote: I would assume the Tribe hasn't offered him a  minor league deal for the same reason the Reds haven't yet, despite 'discussions.'  7 surgeries in 3 years might also be playing a role here, he has to show he is healthy- do a workout, whatever.  Such a shame to see how quickly his career derailed, hopefully he can still do something- got hurt before he could even cash in.  At least he got that gimmie 5m at the end there.
You haven't thought this idea through, have you?

Let's say this were the case. Let's say that each player is paid $500K base and an additional $6M for each Win Above Replacement - after all, that's the 2014 Market Value. Hell, let's call it $4M to balance out the loss of Team Control.

Instead of the Indians' payroll being around $80M for 2013, the Indians Payroll would, at 36.8 WAR in 2013, be $147M for the past year. If you thought losing Ubaldo and Kazmir was bad, imagine needing to trade away not only Masterson, but Kipnis, Santana, and Gomes, as well. That's what pay-for-performance results in.

So, yeah, ******* union.

Posted: 1/5/2014 5:17 PM

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I said it during the season and I'll say it now.  Sizemore would have been a potential low-risk, high-reward guy to go after.  With at the time Stubbs and as well as Raburn, the Indians had two right fielders who could mash left handed pitching.  Sizemore  can mash right handed pitching.  A platoon of Sizemore and Raburn in RF would have been a very low cost RF platoon that could have yielded high rewards, if Sizemore was healthy.  Instead we went out and overpaid for an over the hill Murphy ohlord

A platoon of a healthy Sizemore and Raburn could have given us a potential 20-25 HR's and close to 100 RBI out of the RF position for the cost of Raburn's salary plus a likely league minimum Kazmir-esque contract of Sizemore's.  I'm rooting for Sizemore to comeback, stay healthy, and be a productive contributor to whatever team he ends up with even though I would have preferred it to be with the Indians.

Posted: 1/5/2014 5:21 PM

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Well first of all you need to take your wins above replacement crap and shove where the sun don't shine and yeah some would get paid more and some like AC and others would get less
RHMVNovus wrote:
JCrawdad wrote:
That's why they all should get paid at the end of the year for their performance, league base pay plus your performance to bad they let the union get to strong for that
allhailshapiro wrote: ..or he could instead demand back pay for the huge discount the team got on his top-level play from 03-07, when they paid him less than 5m combined.  noidea
JCrawdad wrote:
He should come back for one year and play for free since he fleeced them for that last 5 million
allhailshapiro wrote: I would assume the Tribe hasn't offered him a  minor league deal for the same reason the Reds haven't yet, despite 'discussions.'  7 surgeries in 3 years might also be playing a role here, he has to show he is healthy- do a workout, whatever.  Such a shame to see how quickly his career derailed, hopefully he can still do something- got hurt before he could even cash in.  At least he got that gimmie 5m at the end there.
You haven't thought this idea through, have you?

Let's say this were the case. Let's say that each player is paid $500K base and an additional $6M for each Win Above Replacement - after all, that's the 2014 Market Value. Hell, let's call it $4M to balance out the loss of Team Control.

Instead of the Indians' payroll being around $80M for 2013, the Indians Payroll would, at 36.8 WAR in 2013, be $147M for the past year. If you thought losing Ubaldo and Kazmir was bad, imagine needing to trade away not only Masterson, but Kipnis, Santana, and Gomes, as well. That's what pay-for-performance results in.

So, yeah, ******* union.

Posted: 1/5/2014 5:23 PM

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Well if i preformed my job as crappy as some the players do i wouldn't have to worry about my pay i would have to be looking for a new job.
allhailshapiro wrote: The union got too strong for this?  Wait, was that the system in place before the union was created then?  I must have missed that.  And how do you pay based on performance?  Number of wins?  Personal stats?  Is this how you do your job, you don't get paid unless you outperform your coworkers?
JCrawdad wrote:
That's why they all should get paid at the end of the year for their performance, league base pay plus your performance to bad they let the union get to strong for that
allhailshapiro wrote: ..or he could instead demand back pay for the huge discount the team got on his top-level play from 03-07, when they paid him less than 5m combined.  noidea
JCrawdad wrote:
He should come back for one year and play for free since he fleeced them for that last 5 million
allhailshapiro wrote: I would assume the Tribe hasn't offered him a  minor league deal for the same reason the Reds haven't yet, despite 'discussions.'  7 surgeries in 3 years might also be playing a role here, he has to show he is healthy- do a workout, whatever.  Such a shame to see how quickly his career derailed, hopefully he can still do something- got hurt before he could even cash in.  At least he got that gimmie 5m at the end there.

Posted: 1/5/2014 6:22 PM

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I am guessing that whatever you do, you are not amongst the top .00001% in the world at doing it. Every player in MLB is.
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Posted: 1/5/2014 8:07 PM

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key word with sizemore is health. i notice no one has yet accepted he is healthy. best he might get is a chance. you dont not sign someone in the hope sizemore could carry his side of a platoon

Posted: 1/5/2014 8:42 PM

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a platoon of sizemore and raburn in RF would mean Raburn was your RF and you were again paying Sizemore to do whatever he does while injured...

boat's sailed

I wish him well in his future endevors
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Posted: 1/5/2014 10:45 PM

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BrianBell wrote:  A platoon of Sizemore and Raburn in RF would have been a very low cost RF platoon that could have yielded high rewards, if Sizemore was healthy.  Instead we went out and overpaid for an over the hill Murphy ohlord

I'm at the top of the list of guys who detests paying $5 for something when a dollar of something else will do just about the same thing.  But there's no way I'm not on board with Murphy vs. Sizemore, even if Murphy costs three times more.  We needed someone tangible to platoon with Raburn, and Grady isn't it.  He's a ghost from the past, period.

Last edited 1/6/2014 12:09 AM by WhoAzcue

Posted: 1/5/2014 10:49 PM

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Before you all get your panties in a bind like you always do i have nothing against Sizemore i thought he was a great player before injuries but unlike some of you here i do not believe he was a superstar he was an above average player during his pre injury career

Posted: 1/5/2014 11:22 PM

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JCrawdad wrote:
Before you all get your panties in a bind like you always do i have nothing against Sizemore i thought he was a great player before injuries but unlike some of you here i do not believe he was a superstar he was an above average player during his pre injury career
The numbers suggest otherwise. He was elite at his position when he was healthy.

Posted: 1/5/2014 11:53 PM

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JCrawdad wrote:
Before you all get your panties in a bind like you always do i have nothing against Sizemore i thought he was a great player before injuries but unlike some of you here i do not believe he was a superstar he was an above average player during his pre injury career
I'm sorry, but I didn't know that 30-30 players who win Gold Gloves are merely "above average".  I guess Mike Trout isn't even a superstar by your lofty standards eek1

Posted: 1/6/2014 1:37 PM

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A superstar center fielder a little ahead of Grady and Mike Trout was Ken Griffey JR. and i'm sorry Grady was not Ken Griffey Jr. and as far as Trout the verdict is still out and once again i liked Grady and i'm glade he played for the Indians but he was not a superstar
BrianBell wrote:
JCrawdad wrote:
Before you all get your panties in a bind like you always do i have nothing against Sizemore i thought he was a great player before injuries but unlike some of you here i do not believe he was a superstar he was an above average player during his pre injury career
I'm sorry, but I didn't know that 30-30 players who win Gold Gloves are merely "above average".  I guess Mike Trout isn't even a superstar by your lofty standards eek1
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