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2014 News and Musings Around the League

Posted: 12/31/2013 10:50 AM

2014 News and Musings Around the League 


Happy New Year.
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Posted: 1/2/2014 10:57 AM

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HOF Voting projection based on publicly available ballots.

The big surprises for me:

1. I expected Morris to do better seeing as it's his last year on the ballot.

2. I didn't expect Frank Thomas to receive the level of support he's getting. (although I absolutely think he's deserving)

3. It looks like Piazza's going to get in. (I wonder why he seems to be getting a pass on the "whispers of steroids use" thing)
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Posted: 1/2/2014 11:24 AM

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1. too many better options
2. the previous generation's miguel cabrera
3. he should make it, if not this year at some point
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Posted: 1/2/2014 5:19 PM

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Frank Thomas was always a no-brainer. But he gets even better in the eyes of this generation's analytics.
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Posted: 1/3/2014 12:47 PM

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frank had a higher - and earlier - peak than miggy, and was consistently higher OPS+ in his earlier years, but career wise they're almost identical - thomas at 156 (but which includes his inevitable dropoff) and cabrera at 154 (which does not include the dropoff). and since neither has much value beyond offense, this seems a valid comparison.

Last edited 1/3/2014 12:50 PM by buddy34

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Posted: 1/3/2014 12:56 PM

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While Cabrera's career will eclipse that of Frank Thomas (barring injury), the comparisons of their early years are quite apt and he was every bit the hitter Cabera has been for his first six and a half years. Definite HOFer.

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Posted: 1/3/2014 5:05 PM

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Fangraphs released the zips projections for the Tigers today.  Just for grins, I took theirs and the Tribes' and applied them to rough guesses for the 25 man rosters.

Tigers: 43 WAR
Tribe: 35 WAR

Based on this, we're still looking up at them by a considerable margin.
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Posted: 1/7/2014 3:19 PM

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Greg Maddux will not be the first unanimous Hall of Famer

Truly and honestly, Dodgers beat reporter Ken Gurnick should be thrown out of the BBWAA. He cast one vote. For Jack Morris:

Morris has flaws -- a 3.90 ERA, for example. But he gets my vote for more than a decade of ace performance that included three 20-win seasons, Cy Young Award votes in seven seasons and Most Valuable Players votes in five. As for those who played during the period of PED use, I won't vote for any of them.


I think the longstanding practice of some to not vote for anybody on their first try is stupid, but this is beyond stupid.

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Posted: 1/7/2014 3:34 PM

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Morris has better numbers than many that already in! I think he deserves to be there!!!
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Posted: 1/7/2014 3:49 PM

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even if you think morris is a HOFer, he should be voted for and not maddux, glavine, frank thomas or others?
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Posted: 1/7/2014 3:57 PM

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Not voting for Maddux is pretty inexcusable. I disagree with not voting for some of the other guys, but Maddux is the epitome of what a HOF should be using any objective standards whatsoever.
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Posted: 1/7/2014 4:36 PM

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bayside123 wrote: Morris has better numbers than many that already in! I think he deserves to be there!!!
Just because someone has better numbers than some of those already in the HOF doesn't make them a HOF player themselves. That would effectively be saying that every player who has better numbers than the very worst player in the HOF should be in - which is a very low threshold.

The players voted into the HOF should be those who can't possibly be left out, not just everyone who meets some low statistical benchmark.
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Posted: 1/7/2014 5:32 PM

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ProfessorRossEforp wrote: Greg Maddux will not be the first unanimous Hall of Famer

Truly and honestly, Dodgers beat reporter Ken Gurnick should be thrown out of the BBWAA. He cast one vote. For Jack Morris:

Morris has flaws -- a 3.90 ERA, for example. But he gets my vote for more than a decade of ace performance that included three 20-win seasons, Cy Young Award votes in seven seasons and Most Valuable Players votes in five. As for those who played during the period of PED use, I won't vote for any of them.


I think the longstanding practice of some to not vote for anybody on their first try is stupid, but this is beyond stupid.

Um, Maddux and Morris' careers overlapped by 9 years. Years which, it should be mentioned were the roideyest of Jose Canseco's career. #outragefail
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Posted: 1/8/2014 3:00 PM

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Maddux, Glavine, and Frank Thomas get in.  Craig Biggio falls 2 votes short of getting in.
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Posted: 1/8/2014 3:00 PM

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Greg MadduxTom Glavine and Frank Thomas were elected to baseball's Hall of Fame on Wednesday, while Craig Biggio fell two votes short.
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@LOLPhillies: Tom Glavine's Hall of Fame plaque will be eight inches wider than all the other pitchers' plaques.” Wish I'd thought of this.


Me too!
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Posted: 1/8/2014 4:16 PM

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JenniferMarie wrote: Greg MadduxTom Glavine and Frank Thomas were elected to baseball's Hall of Fame on Wednesday, while Craig Biggio fell two votes short.
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@LOLPhillies: Tom Glavine's Hall of Fame plaque will be eight inches wider than all the other pitchers' plaques.” Wish I'd thought of this.


Me too!
Brilliant and sardonic.

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Posted: 1/11/2014 1:40 PM

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A-Roid suspended for the 2014 regular season & post season.

I hope we've seen him step into a major league batter's box for the last time.

I also hope we see much tougher penalties in the 2016 CBA, including lifetime bans.

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Posted: 1/13/2014 7:34 PM

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WahooinAtlanta wrote: A-Roid suspended for the 2014 regular season & post season.

I hope we've seen him step into a major league batter's box for the last time.

I also hope we see much tougher penalties in the 2016 CBA, including lifetime bans.
If any of what Anthony Bosch said on 60 Minutes is true about how after he outed A-Rod, that he received death threats by people associated with A-Rod and it was recommended that he leave the country and never come back, I hope A-Rod gets a lifetime ban. Screw the season long suspension, give him the baseball death penalty. That means that POS doesn't ever get on a HOF ballot for writers to even consider voting for him.

Granted I'm not condoning what Bosch did, but as I said if it's true that A-Rod gave orders to certain persons associated with him to send death threats and the such then Mr. Rodriguez doesn't even deserve the slimmest chances of getting into the HOF.
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Posted: 1/13/2014 7:57 PM

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I don't know about the death threats, but a lot of what MLB & Bosch testified/documented was believed by the arbitrator since he had the final say in the matter.

I've yet to hear of even 1 player come to A-Rod's defense. If he was railroaded as he wants everyone to believe, some players & the MLBPA would be taking up for him.

Last edited 1/13/2014 7:59 PM by WahooinAtlanta

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Posted: 1/14/2014 9:50 AM

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I think the players association is making a tactical error by not coming to his defense.

They had an agreement with MLB about what a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd suspension looks like and it was ignored here. Nobody cares in this case because nobody likes A-Rod, but what about the next guy? It puts them in a dangerous spot - why should MLB follow any of the rules when the MLBPA has established that they will look the other way?
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