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David Price expects to be traded

Posted: 10/10/2013 12:39 PM

David Price expects to be traded 


Price expects Rays to deal him

Well then.  Does the Tribe have the bullets?  Not to connect EVERY rumor to the Indians, but this merits a discussion.  An ace lefty that still has 2 cheap years left on his deal.  Yeah....I'm interested.

Does anyone include Salazar or Lindor in the deal.  I wouldn't, but that's me.  

Discuss.

Last edited 10/10/2013 12:39 PM by IdahoTribesman

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Posted: 10/10/2013 12:46 PM

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If he were cheap and cost talent, that'd be one thing. If he were expensive but cost very little in prospects that'd be another. He's likely to be expensive in both, which isn't an arena the Tribe can afford to play in.
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Posted: 10/10/2013 12:49 PM

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he'll be in arbitration the next 2 years. the first year will likely cost less than the qualifying offer. of course, then there's the talent you'd have to give up. the conversation would no doubt start with lindor and Salazar.

I like david price a lot, but I wouldn't give up what you'd need to.
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Posted: 10/10/2013 1:32 PM

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Salazar in a heartbeat, Lindor maybe but I don't think so.
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Posted: 10/10/2013 1:41 PM

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jameseboy wrote: Salazar in a heartbeat, Lindor maybe but I don't think so.

I agree. Salazar is still a pitcher. And he is still a previously injured pitcher that is still working on proving that he can remain healthy.
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Posted: 10/10/2013 1:42 PM

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No to including either Salazar or Lindor.  I would include Bauer, any shortstop prospect not named Lindor.  I might even throw in one of Josh Tomlin or Carlos Carrasco.   But not Salazar.
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Posted: 10/10/2013 1:46 PM

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Salazar in a heartbeat, Lindor maybe but I don't think so.

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you'd give up 11 or so years of control of two future stars for two years of david price that will cost you perhaps $30 million?
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Posted: 10/10/2013 2:06 PM

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buddy34 wrote:
Salazar in a heartbeat, Lindor maybe but I don't think so.

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you'd give up 11 or so years of control of two future stars for two years of david price that will cost you perhaps $30 million?
And let's not forget that you could use that $30M to sign a FA.

Sign Ubaldo (a 3.2 WAR pitcher in 2013) and keep the kids. Let somebody else gut their young talent for the 4.4 WAR (2013) David Price.
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Posted: 10/10/2013 3:33 PM

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Ocramruf wrote:
buddy34 wrote:
Salazar in a heartbeat, Lindor maybe but I don't think so.

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you'd give up 11 or so years of control of two future stars for two years of david price that will cost you perhaps $30 million?
And let's not forget that you could use that $30M to sign a FA.

Sign Ubaldo (a 3.2 WAR pitcher in 2013) and keep the kids. Let somebody else gut their young talent for the 4.4 WAR (2013) David Price.
Yeah I just don't see how we could get price in a trade and not shoot ourselves in the foot big time.
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Posted: 10/10/2013 4:58 PM

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seriesbound wrote: No to including either Salazar or Lindor.  I would include Bauer, any shortstop prospect not named Lindor.  I might even throw in one of Josh Tomlin or Carlos Carrasco.   But not Salazar.
That package might get you Vincent Price, but not David Price. devil

But if there's a way to nab Price from the Rays without giving up Salazar, Lindor, or some of our core major leaguers, I'm all for it.
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Posted: 10/10/2013 7:43 PM

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The big problem outside of who you would have to give up for a David Price is the amount of Cash and length of contract we would end up with.

IMO 100% if it was possible Lindor & Salazar are off the table but it would still take a lot of quality and I'm not for sure with the pitching depth of the Rays would force the Indians to have to part with much more than a Cody Anderson as the pitching prospect within a 6 player package it would take to land a Price.

Cody Anderson / Tyler Naquin / Jesus Aguilar / Joe Wendle  + Jake Lowery or Tony Wolters offer should at least get their ear they need big-time prospect upgrades at 2nd / Catcher and 1st base they are loaded with quality prospect starters below the major league level they also have a couple nice SS coming.
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Posted: 10/10/2013 8:10 PM

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kcatthebat wrote: The big problem outside of who you would have to give up for a David Price is the amount of Cash and length of contract we would end up with.

IMO 100% if it was possible Lindor & Salazar are off the table but it would still take a lot of quality and I'm not for sure with the pitching depth of the Rays would force the Indians to have to part with much more than a Cody Anderson as the pitching prospect within a 6 player package it would take to land a Price.

Cody Anderson / Tyler Naquin / Jesus Aguilar / Joe Wendle  + Jake Lowery or Tony Wolters offer should at least get their ear they need big-time prospect upgrades at 2nd / Catcher and 1st base they are loaded with quality prospect starters below the major league level they also have a couple nice SS coming.
No offense, but that package does not "get their ear".  The Rays will be looking for Lindor + Salazar + + +, and Price will also need to get paid paid paid.  Think big-market team with deep farm system (Boston, Texas, Cubs).  He would be a great fit with the Cubs.
Mike
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Posted: 10/10/2013 8:22 PM

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If they want Lindor AND Salazar, I hang up the phone.  If they want Lindor OR Salazar, I listen.  I'd gladly give up Salazar for Price.  Say what you will, but given Salazar's injury history, I'd give him up for a proven commodity like Price.  I would give them Salazar and 2 other top notch prospects not named Lindor for Price and not think twice about it.  Again no way I'd give up both Lindor and Salazar, but I'd gladly give up Salazar and one of Frazier or Naquin and one of Dorssys Paulino or Ronny Rodriguez.  That would be 2 of our top 10 prospects and Salazar (who technically is no longer considered a prospect due to his current big league experience) for Price.  If they insist on Lindor AND Salazar, politely say no thanks and move on.
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Posted: 10/10/2013 8:29 PM

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i think the rule is still in effect that they couldn't trade frazier until he's been in the system a year. he could be a PTBNL, but that's a big chunk of the 2014 season he'd be in limbo.

i agree with ocramruf. if you have $30 mill to burn, spend it on a true free agent (say, ubaldo on a 2- or 3-year deal) and keep the prospects. to use his example, ubaldo (2 yr) +salazar (5-plus) +lindor (6 yrs) >>> 2 years of price.
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Posted: 10/10/2013 9:47 PM

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buddy34 wrote:

i agree with ocramruf. if you have $30 mill to burn, spend it on a true free agent (say, ubaldo on a 2- or 3-year deal) and keep the prospects. to use his example, ubaldo (2 yr) +salazar (5-plus) +lindor (6 yrs) >>> 2 years of price.
Sorry, but I disagree.  2 years of Price to me is >>>>> than 2 years of Ubaldo and 5 years of Salazar.  First off, Ubaldo is not a lock to repeat his success of 2013.  Secondly, Salazar has serious injury history that will likely cause him to be on restricted pitch count and innings limit for the near future.  If you have a chance to add a David Price to this rotation, even if it's for only 2 years, you don't let Ubaldo Jimenez or Danny Salazar prevent that from happening.  As I said there's only one guy that should prevent that from happening and that's Francisco Lindor.  Everything else in the organization should be expendable.  Price comes in and instantly becomes this teams best player period.  If I have 30 million to burn, I say spend it on an instant upgrade, kick Ubaldo to the curb and trade Salazar while his value is likely at it's peak.
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Posted: 10/11/2013 4:33 AM

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BrianBell wrote:
buddy34 wrote:

i agree with ocramruf. if you have $30 mill to burn, spend it on a true free agent (say, ubaldo on a 2- or 3-year deal) and keep the prospects. to use his example, ubaldo (2 yr) +salazar (5-plus) +lindor (6 yrs) >>> 2 years of price.
Sorry, but I disagree.  2 years of Price to me is >>>>> than 2 years of Ubaldo and 5 years of Salazar.  First off, Ubaldo is not a lock to repeat his success of 2013.  Secondly, Salazar has serious injury history that will likely cause him to be on restricted pitch count and innings limit for the near future.  If you have a chance to add a David Price to this rotation, even if it's for only 2 years, you don't let Ubaldo Jimenez or Danny Salazar prevent that from happening.  As I said there's only one guy that should prevent that from happening and that's Francisco Lindor.  Everything else in the organization should be expendable.  Price comes in and instantly becomes this teams best player period.  If I have 30 million to burn, I say spend it on an instant upgrade, kick Ubaldo to the curb and trade Salazar while his value is likely at it's peak.
Salazar pitched 149 innings in 2013, so there's no reason to think he would be on a restricted pitch count next year (Jimenez only pitched 182.2 and he was in the rotation for the whole season.)

Price is a terrific pitcher, but a two-year deal for him isn't worth the very steep price that the Indians would have to pay. There's little point gaining a little at the FOR, if it means that the back of the rotation is left stripped down to the bare bones.
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Posted: 10/11/2013 5:34 AM

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BrianBell wrote:
buddy34 wrote:

i agree with ocramruf. if you have $30 mill to burn, spend it on a true free agent (say, ubaldo on a 2- or 3-year deal) and keep the prospects. to use his example, ubaldo (2 yr) +salazar (5-plus) +lindor (6 yrs) >>> 2 years of price.
Sorry, but I disagree.  2 years of Price to me is >>>>> than 2 years of Ubaldo and 5 years of Salazar.  First off, Ubaldo is not a lock to repeat his success of 2013.  Secondly, Salazar has serious injury history that will likely cause him to be on restricted pitch count and innings limit for the near future.  If you have a chance to add a David Price to this rotation, even if it's for only 2 years, you don't let Ubaldo Jimenez or Danny Salazar prevent that from happening.  As I said there's only one guy that should prevent that from happening and that's Francisco Lindor.  Everything else in the organization should be expendable.  Price comes in and instantly becomes this teams best player period.  If I have 30 million to burn, I say spend it on an instant upgrade, kick Ubaldo to the curb and trade Salazar while his value is likely at it's peak.
You may have forgotten there are 6 years of Lindor in the equation, too.
Mike
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Posted: 10/11/2013 6:00 AM

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no kidding. regardless of how you compare the pitchers, 6 years of lindor HAS to tip the scale, and then some.
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Posted: 10/11/2013 9:25 AM

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buddy34 wrote: no kidding. regardless of how you compare the pitchers, 6 years of lindor HAS to tip the scale, and then some.
Which is why I said you DON'T trade Salazar AND Lindor for Price; ONLY Salazar OR Lindor.  I thought I made that perfectly clear in my first post.  To me it's simple:

2 years of Price a PROVEN ACE  >>>> 2-3 years of Ubaldo (whose 2013 could have been a fluke) + 5 years of Salazar (previous injury history, limited experience)

I'm not ignoring Lindor, just makes no sense to put him in the equation when I said THERE'S NO WAY I'D TRADE LINDOR AND SALAZAR FOR PRICE IN THE FIRST PLACE!!

Sorry you don't pass on 2 years of a guy who instantly becomes your team's best player for anyone in this organization other than Lindor and you sure as heck don't let a high ceiling HIGH RISK prospect like Salazar keep you from doing such a deal.
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Posted: 10/11/2013 10:00 AM

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Shouting doesn't make your point any more valid. Sure, Price is a proven ace but in your scenario the Indians are giving up much of the depth in the rotation and also sacrificing much of the long-term top hitting talent in Frazier & Paulino.

Two years of Price might be the final piece of the puzzle for some other financially-  or prospect-rich team, but for the Indians (giving up Salazar, Frazier & Paulino & not re-signing Jimenez) he would be kryptonite. They really aren't in a position to mortgage the future on a two-year rental like this.

BrianBell wrote:
buddy34 wrote: no kidding. regardless of how you compare the pitchers, 6 years of lindor HAS to tip the scale, and then some.
Which is why I said you DON'T trade Salazar AND Lindor for Price; ONLY Salazar OR Lindor.  I thought I made that perfectly clear in my first post.  To me it's simple:

2 years of Price a PROVEN ACE  >>>> 2-3 years of Ubaldo (whose 2013 could have been a fluke) + 5 years of Salazar (previous injury history, limited experience)

I'm not ignoring Lindor, just makes no sense to put him in the equation when I said THERE'S NO WAY I'D TRADE LINDOR AND SALAZAR FOR PRICE IN THE FIRST PLACE!!

Sorry you don't pass on 2 years of a guy who instantly becomes your team's best player for anyone in this organization other than Lindor and you sure as heck don't let a high ceiling HIGH RISK prospect like Salazar keep you from doing such a deal.
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