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Cubs Fan Comes in Peace Re: Acta

Posted: 10/9/2013 9:30 PM

Cubs Fan Comes in Peace Re: Acta 


Hi everyone--congrats on making the playoffs this year. My question is about Manny Acta. He seems to be one of the Cubs' prime managerial candidates and I just wanted to get an honest assessment of his strengths/weaknesses/personality from people with first-hand experience. I know that the Indians had a pretty brutal 2nd half in 2012--did this have anything to do with mismanagement or was it just a case of an undermanned team hitting the proverbial wall? I'm kind of wishing that the Cubs had hired Tito in 2011, but maybe he and Theo just needed a break from each other...who knows? Anyway, any info would be appreciated...thanks :)
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Posted: 10/9/2013 9:35 PM

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ugh.

seriously, there is nothing this guy does particularly well.
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Posted: 10/9/2013 10:05 PM

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Grandpaboy1967 wrote: Hi everyone--congrats on making the playoffs this year. My question is about Manny Acta. He seems to be one of the Cubs' prime managerial candidates and I just wanted to get an honest assessment of his strengths/weaknesses/personality from people with first-hand experience. I know that the Indians had a pretty brutal 2nd half in 2012--did this have anything to do with mismanagement or was it just a case of an undermanned team hitting the proverbial wall? I'm kind of wishing that the Cubs had hired Tito in 2011, but maybe he and Theo just needed a break from each other...who knows? Anyway, any info would be appreciated...thanks :)

He absolutely lost the clubhouse in the second half of 2012.  I even remember what I believe to be the exact moment the club quit on him.  At Yankee stadium - Jack Hannahan hits a foul ball into the stands between 3B/LF.  Dewayne Wise of all people runs over to try and catch it - doesn't even come close - a guy that is about 8 seats away from Wise catches the ball - tosses it to Wise - who holds it up for the ump to see.  Calls Hannahan out.  Hannahan goes nuts...Acta dosen't bat an eyelash.  That was the third out of the inning and a few minutes later during the half inning when Hannahan was going to to play 3B he had to stick up for himself since Acta refused to and got himself rung.  Since that day the rest of the season it was very obvious nobody on the Indians cared about that season despite being maybe 3 or 4 games back from the Central.  I think this was more of a "straw that broke the camels back" thing because in the three years he was here I can't ever remember him sticking up for one of his guys.  For your sake I hope the Cubbies pass on him.
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Posted: 10/9/2013 11:05 PM

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GradysBaby13 wrote:
Grandpaboy1967 wrote: Hi everyone--congrats on making the playoffs this year. My question is about Manny Acta. He seems to be one of the Cubs' prime managerial candidates and I just wanted to get an honest assessment of his strengths/weaknesses/personality from people with first-hand experience. I know that the Indians had a pretty brutal 2nd half in 2012--did this have anything to do with mismanagement or was it just a case of an undermanned team hitting the proverbial wall? I'm kind of wishing that the Cubs had hired Tito in 2011, but maybe he and Theo just needed a break from each other...who knows? Anyway, any info would be appreciated...thanks :)

He absolutely lost the clubhouse in the second half of 2012.  I even remember what I believe to be the exact moment the club quit on him.  At Yankee stadium - Jack Hannahan hits a foul ball into the stands between 3B/LF.  Dewayne Wise of all people runs over to try and catch it - doesn't even come close - a guy that is about 8 seats away from Wise catches the ball - tosses it to Wise - who holds it up for the ump to see.  Calls Hannahan out.  Hannahan goes nuts...Acta dosen't bat an eyelash.  That was the third out of the inning and a few minutes later during the half inning when Hannahan was going to to play 3B he had to stick up for himself since Acta refused to and got himself rung.  Since that day the rest of the season it was very obvious nobody on the Indians cared about that season despite being maybe 3 or 4 games back from the Central.  I think this was more of a "straw that broke the camels back" thing because in the three years he was here I can't ever remember him sticking up for one of his guys.  For your sake I hope the Cubbies pass on him.
Yeah I remember that catch, I was soooo mad too.
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Posted: 10/10/2013 12:11 AM

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Yeah, I get it: he lost the clubhouse. But the players sucked too.

We always seemed to be well prepared to start the season, then somehow we'd start to go downhill.

I dunno...I have a hard time accepting Chris Perez's assessment of anything, and he's the only guy I heard who seemed to indicate there was something not quite right in the clubhouse. But how could any clubhouse be any good with some of the lineups we were throwing out there, and some of the lousy starting pitching we got in 2012?

There's something about Manny that impresses people in front offices, and if Theo hires Acta after seeing what happened in Washington and what allegedly happened in Cleveland, then maybe we don't have the whole story. Or maybe it just means Theo is as dumb as a rock.

I honestly don't know where the truth lies, Chicago, I really don't.
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Posted: 10/10/2013 12:29 AM

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For the position the Cubs are in, you could do worse. Acta has his faults, and he gets killed here, but realistically the next manager of the Cubs will be a caretaker for 2-3 years as your young talent arrives and matures. For all the hate Acta receives here, he was able to develop some young talent.
No one really knows how good or bad a manager Acta can be, he had some horrid teams here and in DC. Torre was unable to manage either until he became a genius in NY. Give Acta some talent to manager and then we'll see.
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Posted: 10/10/2013 1:03 AM

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Thanks for the info--sorry if I brought up any unpleasant memories for you guys. Being a Cubs fan most of my memories ARE unpleasant...I mean, they last appeared in the World Series when my parents were both still in diapers, and I'm 46 years old. 1954 doesn't seem that long ago now, does it? :)
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Posted: 10/10/2013 1:04 AM

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Well he said he needed a starting pitcher, a right fielder, and a first baseman...He was exactly right about that and without em its not fair to judge him. He wasn't inspiring and I cant say he did a lot to develop the young guys he had. He seemed like a nice guy and his in game decisions, while criticized like most mangers, were fine. You need Rhino but Acta is ok.
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Posted: 10/10/2013 1:15 AM

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My main gripe with Acta was his unwillingness to accept that players were under performing. This might seem silly but Cord Phelps probably should have held off Kipnis in 2011. He was white hot down in Columbus and they called him up. Acta refused to play him over Orlando Cabrera. Even though Cabrera was sporting the 2nd lowest OPS in all of baseball.

The other thing I loathed about him was his attitude of, "Lets see what he's made of" regarding pitchers. I'd much rather win ball games then watch a pitcher lose games.

Overall he is a poor in game manager, he does use platoons well when he isn't attached to a player though. I also think he plays favorites toward Latin players but that is just my opinion.

From the Cubs perspective, he would not do anything for the Starlin Castro problem you guys have.
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Posted: 10/10/2013 9:31 AM

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I don't know for sure. The guy has never had a truly decent roster. He supposedly understands SABER things, but sometimes it didn't seem like it when he was managing.
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Posted: 10/10/2013 3:38 PM

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MrBananaGrabber85 wrote: I don't know for sure. The guy has never had a truly decent roster. He supposedly understands SABER things, but sometimes it didn't seem like it when he was managing.
This is my biggest thing. He talks really well and has the saber media on his side, but I just don't see it in the managing either. 

We were sold an innovator ala Joe Maddon and he was nothing of the sort. 

He did some things well (better Acta than Wedge), but he's not as good as you'll hear.
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Posted: 10/10/2013 4:52 PM

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WhoAzcue wrote: Yeah, I get it: he lost the clubhouse. But the players sucked too.

We always seemed to be well prepared to start the season, then somehow we'd start to go downhill.

I dunno...I have a hard time accepting Chris Perez's assessment of anything, and he's the only guy I heard who seemed to indicate there was something not quite right in the clubhouse. But how could any clubhouse be any good with some of the lineups we were throwing out there, and some of the lousy starting pitching we got in 2012?

There's something about Manny that impresses people in front offices, and if Theo hires Acta after seeing what happened in Washington and what allegedly happened in Cleveland, then maybe we don't have the whole story. Or maybe it just means Theo is as dumb as a rock.

I honestly don't know where the truth lies, Chicago, I really don't.
Roster or no, Acta is simply not a good manager. He's fine as a field coach but he's simply not a leader. When they hired him I said there's nothing in his credentials that warranted him being hired as our manager and he did nothing to dispell that contention.

If the Cubs are going to try to win, Acta most certainly is not the answer.
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Posted: 10/13/2013 9:23 PM

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Grandpaboy1967 wrote: Thanks for the info--sorry if I brought up any unpleasant memories for you guys. Being a Cubs fan most of my memories ARE unpleasant...I mean, they last appeared in the World Series when my parents were both still in diapers, and I'm 46 years old. 1954 doesn't seem that long ago now, does it? :)
We made it to the World Series twice in the 90s.
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