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Justin Mourneu waived by the Twins

Posted: 8/14/2013 12:56 PM

Justin Mourneu waived by the Twins 


Why don't the Indians inquire about him? Would be a nice #4 in our lineup. Finally a clean up hitter.....noidea
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Posted: 8/14/2013 1:02 PM

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This is not 2006-2010 Justin Morneau is average at hitting a baseball. He plays a position that typically requires a player to be better than average at hitting a baseball.

Playing Gomes every day and platooning Swisher and Santana at 1B/DH is preferable to spending resources to bring in a player of Morneau's quality.
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Posted: 8/14/2013 1:17 PM

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MrBananaGrabber85 wrote: This is not 2006-2010 Justin Morneau is average at hitting a baseball. He plays a position that typically requires a player to be better than average at hitting a baseball.

Playing Gomes every day and platooning Swisher and Santana at 1B/DH is preferable to spending resources to bring in a player of Morneau's quality.
Yes, I understand he's not the past years of Justin Mourneau. However, if we can get him cheaply that would be great. I realize the Indians have a great deal of money to Swisher, but I would rather play Morneau as to Swisher or Santana. Gomes should be playing everday behind the plate. He's better defensively for sure, and who knows what kind of numbers he could put up in a full year as a starter? I hope they trade Santana in the offseason. He's been a SUPER failure.... So much promise and still after a few years in the majors he still has the LONG  _ss swing of his..... banghead
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Posted: 8/14/2013 1:28 PM

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Santana is outproducing Morneau by a mile over the course of this year (and since the start of 2011). Prefering Morneau to him at this point is born out of nothing but ignorance. There is no way to sugar coat that. Nobody is going to be pleased to watch Morneau strike out 3 times as much as he walks.

Swisher and Morneau are having nearly idential seasons at the plate. Swisher is already under contract. Morneau is owed around $5MM.
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Posted: 8/14/2013 3:03 PM

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if it means cutting Giambi I'm all for it...

although I realize everytime I rip Giambi he has a nice game - so I need to rip him much more!

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Posted: 8/14/2013 3:06 PM

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buckeyedanpt2 wrote:

if it means cutting Giambi I'm all for it...

although I realize everytime I rip Giambi he has a nice game - so I need to rip him much more!

Yes please do!

I would want Morneau because although he is having a down year he still is more productive than our normal LH DH option.  And Swisher is having issues batting LH, he could spell Swisher as well.
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Posted: 8/14/2013 3:18 PM

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Morneau is not a $5MM upgrade over Giambi.
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Posted: 8/14/2013 3:40 PM

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Probably not statistically using WAR, but if you are in the middle of a playoff race, and a hit here or there can mean the difference between making the playoffs or not, wouldn't that be worth the short term monetary investment?  
MrBananaGrabber85 wrote: Morneau is not a $5MM upgrade over Giambi.
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Posted: 8/14/2013 3:41 PM

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What do you count the odds being that Morneau succeeds in a spot that Giambi would have failed in and it send the Indians to the playoffs?

1%? I don't know, that seems high to me.
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Posted: 8/14/2013 4:07 PM

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Hawaii007 wrote:
buckeyedanpt2 wrote:

if it means cutting Giambi I'm all for it...

although I realize everytime I rip Giambi he has a nice game - so I need to rip him much more!

Yes please do!

I would want Morneau because although he is having a down year he still is more productive than our normal LH DH option.  And Swisher is having issues batting LH, he could spell Swisher as well.

With Giambi being 2-3 with a BB and 3 run HR so far today I am going to make it my daily mission to come on here and rip on him!  redface
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Posted: 8/14/2013 4:22 PM

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Keep at it!
Banana:
Giambi at his best (against RHP) is hitting .188/.286/.366.
Morneau against RHP is hitting: .282/.344/.478.
That is a 10% increase in hits.  I know that the difference in OBP is not as great, but we are talking about a lack of run production, in other words, walks won't get it done when you need a hit, especially if you have hitters around you struggling. 
SO it seems like the increase would be more than 1% if you think about 1 more hit in every 10 ABs.
Plus you are talking about Morneau, who can play 1B, and thus can spell Swisher who struggles against RHP.
buckeyedanpt2 wrote:
Hawaii007 wrote:
buckeyedanpt2 wrote:

if it means cutting Giambi I'm all for it...

although I realize everytime I rip Giambi he has a nice game - so I need to rip him much more!

Yes please do!

I would want Morneau because although he is having a down year he still is more productive than our normal LH DH option.  And Swisher is having issues batting LH, he could spell Swisher as well.

With Giambi being 2-3 with a BB and 3 run HR so far today I am going to make it my daily mission to come on here and rip on him!  redface
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Posted: 8/14/2013 4:26 PM

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Mourneu would be second in RBI behind Kipnis by a couple tied for second with homers with Raburn with 14 homers He would be 3 rd in hits so after what we have watched over the last 3 weeks Mourneu would be a huge plus to this line-up.

The price should not be much more than a questionable guy like LeVon Washington type question mark player or maybe a player outside the top 20 like a Joe Wendle but IMO anything more than a player like one of those 2 would be too much.

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Posted: 8/14/2013 4:30 PM

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why would the twins make the deal for what would be less than the draft picks they'll get if he leaves FA?
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Posted: 8/14/2013 4:37 PM

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I do not believe that the Twins will offer him qualifiying offer that it would take to get those picks.

The Twins IMO would be afraid that Mourneu would except that 1 year qualifying that would be in the 14 mil range.
buckeyedanpt2 wrote: why would the twins make the deal for what would be less than the draft picks they'll get if he leaves FA?
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Posted: 8/14/2013 4:40 PM

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buckeyedanpt2 wrote: why would the twins make the deal for what would be less than the draft picks they'll get if he leaves FA?
That is the big question for a team like the Twins, how much is the salary relief worth to them?

kc might be right as well, they might decide not to give him a qualifying offer.  Although I think a one year offer for Morneau would be a decent bridge for the Twins, they don't really have anyone knocking on the door in the minors to take his spot right?
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Posted: 8/14/2013 4:43 PM

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not too mention Morneau has 6 HR in the month of August and Manning and Underwood stated earlier in the broadcast scouts say he has looked like a totally different hitter this month which getting someone like him to get hot right now would be great... I don't get the Swisher is having the same yr as Morneau argument... Morneau's #'s are better across the board especially vs RHP ... guys wanna talk about WAR and OPS and whatever but sometimes you just need a guy that can get a frickin hit and drive in some frickin runs!
kcatthebat wrote: Mourneu would be second in RBI behind Kipnis by a couple tied for second with homers with Raburn with 14 homers He would be 3 rd in hits so after what we have watched over the last 3 weeks Mourneu would be a huge plus to this line-up.

The price should not be much more than a questionable guy like LeVon Washington type question mark player or maybe a player outside the top 20 like a Joe Wendle but IMO anything more than a player like one of those 2 would be too much.
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Posted: 8/14/2013 4:56 PM

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I would think that Mauer would be a guy that would fill a lot of AB's at 1st base he started 72 games in 2012 there.

But they really do not show any top 1st base prospects on the rise the Catcher they drafted in the 3rd round this year could rise to the majors fast though.

Hawaii007 wrote:
buckeyedanpt2 wrote: why would the twins make the deal for what would be less than the draft picks they'll get if he leaves FA?
That is the big question for a team like the Twins, how much is the salary relief worth to them?

kc might be right as well, they might decide not to give him a qualifying offer.  Although I think a one year offer for Morneau would be a decent bridge for the Twins, they don't really have anyone knocking on the door in the minors to take his spot right?
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Posted: 8/14/2013 5:44 PM

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MrBananaGrabber85 wrote: Morneau is not a $5MM upgrade over Giambi.

You're being naive if you think spending 4 million dollars should not be considered in the middle of a playoff hunt. If this is a pre-season signing, sure, but late season in the quest for a playoff spot? No. You don't seek equal value for your dollar. You go with the option that optimizes the possibility. Morneau over Giambi, clearly does that imo. And 4 million shouldn't stand in your way.

Now if the Twins are asking for Lindor or Salazar, etc, sure tell them to f off. Otherwise, it's worth exploring.
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Posted: 8/14/2013 7:07 PM

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TitoFrancona wrote:
MrBananaGrabber85 wrote: Morneau is not a $5MM upgrade over Giambi.

You're being naive if you think spending 4 million dollars should not be considered in the middle of a playoff hunt. If this is a pre-season signing, sure, but late season in the quest for a playoff spot? No. You don't seek equal value for your dollar. You go with the option that optimizes the possibility. Morneau over Giambi, clearly does that imo. And 4 million shouldn't stand in your way.

Now if the Twins are asking for Lindor or Salazar, etc, sure tell them to f off. Otherwise, it's worth exploring.
There is nothing naive about what Banana said.  In fact, it is somewhat naive to think that a team with at best a medium shot at the last wild card spot would spend $4.5 million for a player for about 40 games that marginally increases the team's to make it into a one game playoff as a visiting tram.

Giambi has been more productive against RHP than Morneau.  The only benefit of adding Morneau is the value he brings above whatever the number of ABs Giambi would have.

Every contending team could have had Morneau on waivers but no one claimed him. The Twins were looking to dump salary and would have likely accepted virtually nothing for him in a trade.  Teams didn't put a claim in for him because they knew they would be stuck with him.

To put it bluntly no contending team believed Morneau's potential contribution outweighed his cost.
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Posted: 8/14/2013 7:08 PM

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Has anyboody taken the time to actually look at Morneau's stats since 2010? And the Twins are foolish if they make a qualifying offer and chase good money after bad.
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