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Posted: 3/14/2013 10:27 AM

Cord Phelps 


Phelps is finally turning out to be the player the Indians drafted a few years ago. This spring he has outplayed Kipnis in all aspects of the game. kipnis just might need a wake up call, and not make this team coming out of spring training!!!
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Posted: 3/14/2013 11:33 AM

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that ain't gonna happen.

but if kipnis doesn't out to start the season and phelps continues to do well in columbus, we could see them switch places at some point. long-term, though, kipnis is the 2b.
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Posted: 3/14/2013 11:45 AM

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I like Phelps and I hope they find a way to get him playing - OF/utility role???  Otherwise I hope they get him off to a good start and see if they can trade him
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Posted: 3/14/2013 11:48 AM

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We need a fast start if we want to be competitive. If doesn't start hitting,he just need to do tweaking in Columbus. Remember last season, Phelps was ahead of him but faltered. It appears that the table turned in Phelps favor.
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Posted: 3/14/2013 12:10 PM

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So because Kipnis' batting average is low in spring training, he is apparently unmotivated and needs a 'wake up call'?  Pretty specious argument.  Based on this reasoning, is Ryan Raburn the shoo-in for the 4th spot in the order?
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Posted: 3/14/2013 12:29 PM

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bayside123 wrote: Phelps is finally turning out to be the player the Indians drafted a few years ago. This spring he has outplayed Kipnis in all aspects of the game. kipnis just might need a wake up call, and not make this team coming out of spring training!!!

I am probably Phelp's biggest fan on this forum and I don't see anyway that can happen. Kipnis is the better all round player - defensively and offensively. They're not going to take his job away because of a bad spring.

That being said, I would far rather see them keep Cord than Giambi. There's so much more he can contribute, starting with the fact that he can play 2nd or 3rd and now maybe some 1st. Then throw in the fact that he's a switch hitter and he adds all that versatility.
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Posted: 3/14/2013 1:12 PM

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I agree, I would take Phelps or Gomes over Giambi!!!  Kipnis will be just fine, some player's start off slow!!!
 
TitoFrancona wrote:
bayside123 wrote: Phelps is finally turning out to be the player the Indians drafted a few years ago. This spring he has outplayed Kipnis in all aspects of the game. kipnis just might need a wake up call, and not make this team coming out of spring training!!!

I am probably Phelp's biggest fan on this forum and I don't see anyway that can happen. Kipnis is the better all round player - defensively and offensively. They're not going to take his job away because of a bad spring.

That being said, I would far rather see them keep Cord than Giambi. There's so much more he can contribute, starting with the fact that he can play 2nd or 3rd and now maybe some 1st. Then throw in the fact that he's a switch hitter and he adds all that versatility.
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Posted: 3/14/2013 1:31 PM

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TitoFrancona wrote:
bayside123 wrote: Phelps is finally turning out to be the player the Indians drafted a few years ago. This spring he has outplayed Kipnis in all aspects of the game. kipnis just might need a wake up call, and not make this team coming out of spring training!!!

I am probably Phelp's biggest fan on this forum and I don't see anyway that can happen. Kipnis is the better all round player - defensively and offensively. They're not going to take his job away because of a bad spring.

That being said, I would far rather see them keep Cord than Giambi. There's so much more he can contribute, starting with the fact that he can play 2nd or 3rd and now maybe some 1st. Then throw in the fact that he's a switch hitter and he adds all that versatility.
If he is in competition for a spot I suspect it is with Raburn.

Phelps has a remaining option and presumably the Tribe wants him playing everyday.

Consequently, I don't see him in competition with Giambi for the DH spot and the limited ABs that will go with it.

If the Tribe doesn't go with Giambi I'd prefer someone else.

Last edited 3/14/2013 1:42 PM by JenniferMarie

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Posted: 3/14/2013 1:39 PM

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The one thing that Phelps possesses that the others he is competing with for the last two position-player spots on the roster do not is options. I doubt that fact is going to work in his favor. I believe his skill-set makes more sense than Giambi's or Raburn's for this roster but in the big picture they've likely already punched his ticket to Columbus (just like I suspect they have for Yan Gomes). It probably would take something completely beyond control (injury, etc.) for him to make the opening day roster.


As for Kipnis there is a lot to like about him. However, I believe perception and reality are misaligned with Jason and I can see him falling victim to high expectations this year. His place on the development road is closer to Lonnie Chisenhall than an all-star second baseman, but the latter is what many are expecting this year. I'd love to see them drop him in the order, manage his at-bats v. LHP, and not add to what is already a full plate for him.

Yeah, a lot of b*tching and moaning about Kipnis is what I'm expecting to read this year. Especially, if Cord Phelps proves he has taken another step along his path. Instant gratification is never quick enough.



EDIT: man, that first sentence is tortured--LOL, but I'll let it be.

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Posted: 3/14/2013 2:03 PM

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I like Kipnis and I agree that looking at his blah (not terrible) string SO FAR is hardly reason for anything...

I like Phelps (not as much as Kipnis at 2B) for a utility typ role... I'd like to see them use this year to develope Phelps into that in AAA

otherwise I can't see his future in cleveland... same with Gomes
they could both easily play rolls as the year goes on and injuries happen

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Posted: 3/14/2013 5:17 PM

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JenniferMarie wrote:
If he is in competition for a spot I suspect it is with Raburn.

Phelps has a remaining option and presumably the Tribe wants him playing everyday.

Consequently, I don't see him in competition with Giambi for the DH spot and the limited ABs that will go with it.

If the Tribe doesn't go with Giambi I'd prefer someone else.

Well first of all, I would go with Phelps over Raburn, but that's just me. But I'm a little fuzzy on why you think that keeping Phelps over Giambi means simply that he would be only limited to whatever at bats Giambi would presumably get? Why would you assume that?

I think even with Raburn, Phelps will get at bats as the DH and as a UIF'er. I myself can see him getting 200+ at bats as long as he hits.
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Posted: 3/14/2013 5:49 PM

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TitoFrancona wrote:
JenniferMarie wrote:
If he is in competition for a spot I suspect it is with Raburn.

Phelps has a remaining option and presumably the Tribe wants him playing everyday.

Consequently, I don't see him in competition with Giambi for the DH spot and the limited ABs that will go with it.

If the Tribe doesn't go with Giambi I'd prefer someone else.

Well first of all, I would go with Phelps over Raburn, but that's just me. But I'm a little fuzzy on why you think that keeping Phelps over Giambi means simply that he would be only limited to whatever at bats Giambi would presumably get? Why would you assume that?

I think even with Raburn, Phelps will get at bats as the DH and as a UIF'er. I myself can see him getting 200+ at bats as long as he hits.
I was basically giving him the ABs Giambi would have with Raburn also on the roster with Giambi.  What I think you might be overlooking is that with Raburn on the roster, regardless of whether it is with Giambi or Phelps, Aviles and Raburn will get the vast majority of UIF ABs.

I could easily be wrong but that is how it seems to be shaping up to me.
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Posted: 3/14/2013 6:34 PM

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JenniferMarie wrote:
I was basically giving him the ABs Giambi would have with Raburn also on the roster with Giambi.  What I think you might be overlooking is that with Raburn on the roster, regardless of whether it is with Giambi or Phelps, Aviles and Raburn will get the vast majority of UIF ABs.

I could easily be wrong but that is how it seems to be shaping up to me.

But Raburn and Aviles are both RH hitters. Phelps is a SH so, I can see where against certain righties, he would get the call.
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Posted: 3/14/2013 6:45 PM

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TitoFrancona wrote:
JenniferMarie wrote:
I was basically giving him the ABs Giambi would have with Raburn also on the roster with Giambi.  What I think you might be overlooking is that with Raburn on the roster, regardless of whether it is with Giambi or Phelps, Aviles and Raburn will get the vast majority of UIF ABs.

I could easily be wrong but that is how it seems to be shaping up to me.

But Raburn and Aviles are both RH hitters. Phelps is a SH so, I can see where against certain righties, he would get the call.
Okay, I agree.  (Zona's up 11 at the half so I might be less agreeable later if the Cats lose the gameexcited)
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Posted: 3/14/2013 7:30 PM

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I put Phelps in the same category as someone like Huff.  Could be descent major leaguers but are blocked by players with more upside.  While the Indians look at them as good depth, unselfishly you wish they could latch on with another team and get the opportunity to prove themselves.  I think Phelps would fit nicely on a team like KC, who is struggling trying to find a descent 2B.  I don't see Gomes in the same light.  If he proves he can handle a pitching staff, he has starting catcher written all over him.  I personally think he is a better option as the backup than Marson.  Not only does he provide far superior offensive ability, he is also more versatile allowing him to get more at bats.  This team is so much better than the last 2 years!
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Posted: 3/14/2013 8:01 PM

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My opinion is that Phelps will end up seeing a lot of time at 3B if Chisenhall falters.
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Posted: 3/14/2013 8:25 PM

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Though Chisenhall needs as much time as they can afford, he needs to play everyday and shouldn't be held back from that opportunity.
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Posted: 3/14/2013 8:45 PM

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6 months ago I would have said that Chisenhall would get 140+ games to see what he can do, but we have clearly entered win now mode and 3rd base is the one wild card as far as our lineup goes. I think the biggest reason the Indians signed Giambi and are giving him every opportunity to make the team is so that he can work with Chisenhall on his plate discipline. With that being said, if Chisenhall fails to listen or comprehend, he will see time at AAA this season.
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Posted: 3/14/2013 10:16 PM

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The Top 10 Reasons why the Indians have zero chance of contending

#1 Detroit - more powerful offensive and better starting staff

#2 Ubaldo - the enigma that he is will be our #2 

#3 Rayburn - has always torn it up in the spring and then disappeared until July on the bench.

#4 Giambi - is no longer a major league offensive or defensive player period But on the bench.

#5 Marson - Zero flexiblity, Zero Offense on the Bench.

#6 Masterson - ???? Will the real Justin Masterson please stand up. #1 by default.

#7 Bauer - will not be able to help this team til the end of May since 1 extra year of control of Bauer is more important than winning straight out of the box with the best 5 starters.

#8 Putting too much faith in Kipnis repeating his play from Last season + Chisenhall first full season.

#9 The Ball crushing April Schedule that we will never recover from.

#10 They will still be wishing and hoping on Ubaldo when Ubaldo has a 4-10 in June. 
bayside123 wrote: We need a fast start if we want to be competitive. If doesn't start hitting,he just need to do tweaking in Columbus. Remember last season, Phelps was ahead of him but faltered. It appears that the table turned in Phelps favor.
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Posted: 3/14/2013 11:51 PM

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What are u putting in your pipe?

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The Top 10 Reasons why the Indians have zero chance of contending

#1 Detroit - more powerful offensive and better starting staff

#2 Ubaldo - the enigma that he is will be our #2 

#3 Rayburn - has always torn it up in the spring and then disappeared until July on the bench.

#4 Giambi - is no longer a major league offensive or defensive player period But on the bench.

#5 Marson - Zero flexiblity, Zero Offense on the Bench.

#6 Masterson - ???? Will the real Justin Masterson please stand up. #1 by default.

#7 Bauer - will not be able to help this team til the end of May since 1 extra year of control of Bauer is more important than winning straight out of the box with the best 5 starters.

#8 Putting too much faith in Kipnis repeating his play from Last season + Chisenhall first full season.

#9 The Ball crushing April Schedule that we will never recover from.

#10 They will still be wishing and hoping on Ubaldo when Ubaldo has a 4-10 in June. 
bayside123 wrote: We need a fast start if we want to be competitive. If doesn't start hitting,he just need to do tweaking in Columbus. Remember last season, Phelps was ahead of him but faltered. It appears that the table turned in Phelps favor.


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