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Juan Diaz

Posted: 3/11/2013 4:41 PM

Juan Diaz 


Juan Diaz seems to be a good prospect based on recent age/performance metrics that I am surprised he hasn't been high on prospect lists.  Is it possibly due to bias against him due to the current players ahead of him at the MLB level being pretty entrenched?
If Diaz really blows it up at AAA and the team is still in it, should we use Diaz headline a package to get a MOR starter, risk the season by trading ACab and Perez to get a TOR and MOR prospects and maybe BOR ML starter and promote Diaz and slide Pestano into the closer role, or let the season ride and then trade in the off-season?

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Posted: 3/11/2013 4:45 PM

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he'd have to make a huge step forward to become a prospect. he has a career .681 OPS in the minors, with .578 at A, .745 at A+, .700 at AA and all of 76 ABs at AAA.

i think he's one of the guys in danger of losing his spot on the 40-man, depending on how many NRI the indians break camp with.

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Posted: 3/11/2013 4:54 PM

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Rather than look at past metrics I would prefer to look at the following:

He is huge for a shorstop and plays the position very well.
He switch hits
He will be 24 this season
His power numbers have increased every season. He had over 40 xtra base hits last year.

I watched him play Saturday against the Cubs.  My personal impression is that he handles himself very well on the field and will be a winning ball players  I think he'll play in the majors and be more than an adequate shortstiop.
buddy34 wrote: he'd have to make a huge step forward to become a prospect. he has a career .681 OPS in the minors, with .578 at A, .745 at A+, .700 at AA and all of 76 ABs at AAA.
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Posted: 3/11/2013 4:58 PM

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you may be right, but if so, why would the indians trade for aviles?

diaz may get a shot at some point, but it probably won't be with the indians. too many hot prospects on his heels.
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Posted: 3/11/2013 5:19 PM

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buddy34 wrote: you may be right, but if so, why would the indians trade for aviles?

diaz may get a shot at some point, but it probably won't be with the indians. too many hot prospects on his heels.

I think the Aviles trade was not related to Diaz, Diaz is young enough to be considered a potential starter at the ML level, you normally don't want to limit those kind of guys as a bench player.  Aviles is a "veteran" who has done it before and handled it fine.  Ideally, Diaz is able to make the bump next year and be a young starter at SS, and Aviles will back him up in the second year of his contract, and ACab will net us some high level pitching prospects.

I agree with the other poster's assessment that his power has increased steadily the last few seasons, while his BA and OBP has stayed constant.  I think it is encouraging that the last two years he has not ended up repeating a level for a full year which seems to be indicative of steady growth.  Of course it is only 76 ABs, but his AAA numbers combined with his ST numbers is also encouraging.  Let's say he repeats his AA numbers from last year at AAA, would that make him a legit candidate to take over for ACab next year?  I know that the biggest jump is always AAA to ML, but if his growth is steady and we are guaranteed a .750 OPS from Diaz in 2014, is that acceptable?
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Posted: 3/11/2013 5:24 PM

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Diaz will not be a starter with the Indians but he is starting to show signs of being a solid major league possibility at some point for another team.

Maybe Diaz could be a player the Rangers would be interested in a McGuiness deal if they break camp with Profar they will need a fallback at AAA I do not know what their other options are for a AAA SS.

I will take this time to say from what I have seen from Lindor this Spring we may be closer to moving his ETA up from 2015 to 2014 Opening Day I think the bat is getting closer than what some has thought it would I could see him as the 2014 Opening Day starting SS.
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Posted: 3/11/2013 5:25 PM

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if you can get a .750 OPS from a minimum wage SS, that would be extremely acceptable.
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Posted: 3/11/2013 6:15 PM

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FWIW I would rather have Diaz than McGuiness.  Perhaps if the Indians traded ACAb and played Diaz at short until Lindor is ready his value might be more than any one dreamed. 

You can't teach size.  He is going to his with authority in the majors.  He might not have the best batting average but a good fielding switch hitting shortstop with power  is certainly a tradeable commodity.
kcatthebat wrote: Diaz will not be a starter with the Indians but he is starting to show signs of being a solid major league possibility at some point for another team.

Maybe Diaz could be a player the Rangers would be interested in a McGuiness deal if they break camp with Profar they will need a fallback at AAA I do not know what their other options are for a AAA SS.

I will take this time to say from what I have seen from Lindor this Spring we may be closer to moving his ETA up from 2015 to 2014 Opening Day I think the bat is getting closer than what some has thought it would I could see him as the 2014 Opening Day starting SS.
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Posted: 3/11/2013 6:28 PM

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Hawaii007 wrote: I think the Aviles trade was not related to Diaz, 
You're right.  Diaz is purely a shortstop. Aviles plays second, short and third.  He was brought in because as a right-handed hitter he can platoon with Chisenhall if Chisenhall is having problems with lefties.
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Posted: 3/12/2013 1:34 AM

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If the Indians do trade Asdrubal which I believe they will and they did not give the starting SS job to Aviles I have to believe he would be a very unhappy camper.

I believe that the Indians signed Aviles because they knew they were going to trade Asdrubal at some point this year. The indians may have signed Aviles like they did at first because they thought a deal with the Cardinals was all but a sure thing.

It is way beyond the indians to carry a bench player for the amount they signed Aviles I do not know when the last full-time utility / bench player made that typw of cash with this team but I do not remember.
greggleeb wrote: FWIW I would rather have Diaz than McGuiness.  Perhaps if the Indians traded ACAb and played Diaz at short until Lindor is ready his value might be more than any one dreamed. 

You can't teach size.  He is going to his with authority in the majors.  He might not have the best batting average but a good fielding switch hitting shortstop with power  is certainly a tradeable commodity.
kcatthebat wrote: Diaz will not be a starter with the Indians but he is starting to show signs of being a solid major league possibility at some point for another team.

Maybe Diaz could be a player the Rangers would be interested in a McGuiness deal if they break camp with Profar they will need a fallback at AAA I do not know what their other options are for a AAA SS.

I will take this time to say from what I have seen from Lindor this Spring we may be closer to moving his ETA up from 2015 to 2014 Opening Day I think the bat is getting closer than what some has thought it would I could see him as the 2014 Opening Day starting SS.

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Posted: 3/12/2013 9:00 AM

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Depends on how the season shakes out. If pitching comes through and it looks like they can make playoffs I can see Cabrera here all year. If not a Cabrera trade with Aviles at short makes sense. You can afford more money for a bench player if it helps take you to the next level. Lindor may be ready as soon as next year but probably wont be which might well make Diaz the bridge.
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Posted: 3/12/2013 2:53 PM

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I have no problem with Aviles replaces ACab if he is better than Diaz.  Based on his progression track, I am guessing Diaz will be able to hold his own next year, so probably it will be Aviles.
kcatthebat wrote: If the Indians do trade Asdrubal which I believe they will and they did not give the starting SS job to Aviles I have to believe he would be a very unhappy camper.

I believe that the Indians signed Aviles because they knew they were going to trade Asdrubal at some point this year. The indians may have signed Aviles like they did at first because they thought a deal with the Cardinals was all but a sure thing.

It is way beyond the indians to carry a bench player for the amount they signed Aviles I do not know when the last full-time utility / bench player made that typw of cash with this team but I do not remember.
greggleeb wrote: FWIW I would rather have Diaz than McGuiness.  Perhaps if the Indians traded ACAb and played Diaz at short until Lindor is ready his value might be more than any one dreamed. 

You can't teach size.  He is going to his with authority in the majors.  He might not have the best batting average but a good fielding switch hitting shortstop with power  is certainly a tradeable commodity.
kcatthebat wrote: Diaz will not be a starter with the Indians but he is starting to show signs of being a solid major league possibility at some point for another team.

Maybe Diaz could be a player the Rangers would be interested in a McGuiness deal if they break camp with Profar they will need a fallback at AAA I do not know what their other options are for a AAA SS.

I will take this time to say from what I have seen from Lindor this Spring we may be closer to moving his ETA up from 2015 to 2014 Opening Day I think the bat is getting closer than what some has thought it would I could see him as the 2014 Opening Day starting SS.
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Posted: 3/12/2013 4:01 PM

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At this point, isn't Diaz considered the best defensive shortstop in the system? I don't mean - potentially the best, because Lindor has the most potential, but right now Diaz is probably the better shortstop of the 2.

I really do believe that their willingness to trade Cabrera has a lot to do with Diaz being defensively, a ML caliber shortstop right now who's offensive has been improving every year. Yes Aviles would be the starter, but should he go down or not cut it, they know they have Diaz available at a minute's notice.
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Posted: 3/12/2013 5:05 PM

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It nice to see some posters that don't believe the most important stat in baseball is the ability not to strike a baseball.     I believe Diaz will be patient enough at the plate to take an appropriate number of walks.

I think this is a big year for Diaz.  Since the Indians went to Columbus, hitting numbers have meant very little in determining future major league success.  I believe Diaz will have very good hitting metric playing in Columbus in 2013.
TitoFrancona wrote: At this point, isn't Diaz considered the best defensive shortstop in the system? I don't mean - potentially the best, because Lindor has the most potential, but right now Diaz is probably the better shortstop of the 2.

I really do believe that their willingness to trade Cabrera has a lot to do with Diaz being defensively, a ML caliber shortstop right now who's offensive has been improving every year. Yes Aviles would be the starter, but should he go down or not cut it, they know they have Diaz available at a minute's notice.
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Posted: 3/12/2013 6:09 PM

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The reason people care so much about MiLB walk rates is that players rarely develop that skill in a MLB uniform.
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Posted: 3/12/2013 6:26 PM

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I was at the game yesterday Diaz did not seem very fluid in the field to me.
Their is a reason you do not see many 6'4" SS very few guys that size are agile enough to play the position (at least at the major league level)
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Posted: 3/13/2013 11:40 PM

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Saw same game & Diaz looked just good.

Don't let hot sun effect the view.

Peace.
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Posted: 3/15/2013 5:52 PM

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kcatthebat wrote: Diaz will not be a starter with the Indians but he is starting to show signs of being a solid major league possibility at some point for another team.

Maybe Diaz could be a player the Rangers would be interested in a McGuiness deal if they break camp with Profar they will need a fallback at AAA I do not know what their other options are for a AAA SS.

I will take this time to say from what I have seen from Lindor this Spring we may be closer to moving his ETA up from 2015 to 2014 Opening Day I think the bat is getting closer than what some has thought it would I could see him as the 2014 Opening Day starting SS.
Diaz is defensively ready now.  Actually it's not to far out there to say he is better defensively than Aviles at short, and Aviles was brought in as the super sub.  There are 2 young left handed hitters in the infield that could use a day off here or there against a tough lefty like Sale. 

The ideal scenario in my mind is:
1.  ACab is traded for a haul that brings in atleast 1 TOR, young, ready, controllable pitcher.
2.  Diaz is given an opportunity to play and thrives.  In doing so creates value in much of the same way ACab did.  ACab was actually viewed in much of the same light in his minor league days.  Diaz is much better defensively than ACab ever was and has similar ability with the bat IMO.
3.  In 2-3 years when one of the prized young SS is ready to take over, you essentially have another ACab to deal.  Diaz could be more valuable because he will be under control for more years, and I can see him developing more power. 
4.  The "glass half empty" view would be Diaz doesn't hit and takes more of a backup role while Aviles takes over SS full time.  They would still have the haul taken in from ACab.
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Posted: 3/15/2013 11:14 PM

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Seems like CDav45 agree with my assesment; you don't evaluate a shortstop by the number of walks he takes.

I just got back from Phoenix.  I saw two Indians game and left with the impression the team is definitely headed for a fun and competitive season. 

I don't think Carrera or Huff will make the team.  In additions it behooves the Tribe to move Albers or Smith who will be FA's at the end of the season.

I am curious to see what the Indians will p/u in these future exchanges.

FWIW, the Yankees wasted no time in signing Boesch.  He does fill a need for them
greggleeb wrote: It nice to see some posters that don't believe the most important stat in baseball is the ability not to strike a baseball.     I believe Diaz will be patient enough at the plate to take an appropriate number of walks.

I think this is a big year for Diaz.  Since the Indians went to Columbus, hitting numbers have meant very little in determining future major league success.  I believe Diaz will have very good hitting metric playing in Columbus in 2013.
TitoFrancona wrote: At this point, isn't Diaz considered the best defensive shortstop in the system? I don't mean - potentially the best, because Lindor has the most potential, but right now Diaz is probably the better shortstop of the 2.

I really do believe that their willingness to trade Cabrera has a lot to do with Diaz being defensively, a ML caliber shortstop right now who's offensive has been improving every year. Yes Aviles would be the starter, but should he go down or not cut it, they know they have Diaz available at a minute's notice.
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Posted: 3/15/2013 11:24 PM

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Nobody evaluates any player solely by the walks they take. Walk rate is one component that should be considered when evaluating any player, but guys with different skills can mitigate it any number of ways. Guys who rarely walk, but also rarely strike out, get a ton of leeway. Same with guys who hit for massive power.

Diaz strikes out a ton and does not have massive power, so his walk rate is an area for concern. That he is a SS matters for sure, but that is because we give extra credit for playing a hard position and not because we a SS using different offensive metrics. A SS just does not have to be as proficient.
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