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Scott Kazmir

Posted: 2/18/2013 1:52 PM

Scott Kazmir 


Saw an article everything about him this off season looks to be what he was a few years ago, his velocity is back up, His Slider has its hard break, and he's even added a 12-6 curve and splitter that he throws for strikes, he's also in better shape that he lost 20 pounds and his body fat is under 10% and he's confident in the way he said in this article he has the tools to be the best pitcher in baseball after the hardwork he's put in

I hate to say it but theres a chance he got on the roids Bartolo Colon but hey if it gives us one great year then i wont complain, but you dont see pitchers go from mid 80s to mid 90s 2 years apart after the age of 25
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Posted: 2/18/2013 2:18 PM

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BrutusBuck11 wrote: Saw an article everything about him this off season looks to be what he was a few years ago, his velocity is back up, His Slider has its hard break, and he's even added a 12-6 curve and splitter that he throws for strikes, he's also in better shape that he lost 20 pounds and his body fat is under 10% and he's confident in the way he said in this article he has the tools to be the best pitcher in baseball after the hardwork he's put in

I hate to say it but theres a chance he got on the roids Bartolo Colon but hey if it gives us one great year then i wont complain, but you dont see pitchers go from mid 80s to mid 90s 2 years apart after the age of 25

Well, I'm not going to make any assumptions on how Kazmir got back to where he once was (if he really has). That would simply be a guess and would be unfair to him. And I guess not caring that he used would make many of us hypocrites since many of us have been adamant against other players who have.

I do however believe that this could end up being a very good NRI deal for the Indians. Even if all he does is win a job as a loogy, it's a great deal. But if he bounces back to his old form, what a deal.

That being said, I believe one of his biggest problems was that he lost his command. That's something he has to get back.
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Posted: 2/18/2013 2:20 PM

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Kazmir went through a dead arm thing, I've seen other pitcher's go through this so it's not so uncommon... I hope he can return to form and give us a pitcher that is able to win 12+games... I'm sure he's been tested for PED'S!!! 
BrutusBuck11 wrote: Saw an article everything about him this off season looks to be what he was a few years ago, his velocity is back up, His Slider has its hard break, and he's even added a 12-6 curve and splitter that he throws for strikes, he's also in better shape that he lost 20 pounds and his body fat is under 10% and he's confident in the way he said in this article he has the tools to be the best pitcher in baseball after the hardwork he's put in

I hate to say it but theres a chance he got on the roids Bartolo Colon but hey if it gives us one great year then i wont complain, but you dont see pitchers go from mid 80s to mid 90s 2 years apart after the age of 25
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Posted: 2/18/2013 2:21 PM

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I'd be fine with putting Kazmir, Kluber, or Dice-K up in the bigs for the month of April. (whoever does best in ST) After that, I want Carrasco coming up after some rest in April, so he can pitch for us the rest of the season, withouto an innings limit, since he is surely the best option for the #5 slot.
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Posted: 2/18/2013 2:22 PM

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I don't think you see guys who are not known for ever consistently getting to the velocity do that, but guys that have shown the ability and done it consistently may recover it.  I also think the Angels played with his mechanics a bit and that led to weight gain, depression, and doubt. 

The slider was his real weapon.  Looked a lot like a fastball coming out you and then it had that late break as guys would buy in and swing, but even if they didn't it would often stay in the strike zone.  Kazmir had some of the most filthy stuff I've ever seen, but he nibbled a lot.  I tend to think much of this had to due with the lack of run support he received with the Rays.  This damaged his confidence a bit - and I tend to think the trade shocked him.  He was their Ace and yet they easily replaced him.  Of course, they are loaded with starters so that'll happen with Shields too - I actually think their rotation will be better this year.  For them so much hinges on Longoria staying healthy.
BrutusBuck11 wrote: Saw an article everything about him this off season looks to be what he was a few years ago, his velocity is back up, His Slider has its hard break, and he's even added a 12-6 curve and splitter that he throws for strikes, he's also in better shape that he lost 20 pounds and his body fat is under 10% and he's confident in the way he said in this article he has the tools to be the best pitcher in baseball after the hardwork he's put in

I hate to say it but theres a chance he got on the roids Bartolo Colon but hey if it gives us one great year then i wont complain, but you dont see pitchers go from mid 80s to mid 90s 2 years apart after the age of 25
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Posted: 2/18/2013 2:23 PM

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BrutusBuck11 wrote: Saw an article everything about him this off season looks to be what he was a few years ago, his velocity is back up, His Slider has its hard break, and he's even added a 12-6 curve and splitter that he throws for strikes, he's also in better shape that he lost 20 pounds and his body fat is under 10% and he's confident in the way he said in this article he has the tools to be the best pitcher in baseball after the hardwork he's put in

I hate to say it but theres a chance he got on the roids Bartolo Colon but hey if it gives us one great year then i wont complain, but you dont see pitchers go from mid 80s to mid 90s 2 years apart after the age of 25
Though it may be a case where he has fixed whatever caused him to lose velocity a few years ago.  Would be far more suspicious if he had never thrown in the mid-90s but now had gained the bump.  That happened to Joel Hanrahan when he changed his delivery in 2008 but it also corresponded with a bullpen move.
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Posted: 2/18/2013 2:45 PM

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realistic Carassco shouldn't be up here till june-july without rushing him back, he needs a good amount of time in extended ST-AAA just to see where his arm is, Rushing him back in may would be a dumb move

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I'd be fine with putting Kazmir, Kluber, or Dice-K up in the bigs for the month of April. (whoever does best in ST) After that, I want Carrasco coming up after some rest in April, so he can pitch for us the rest of the season, withouto an innings limit, since he is surely the best option for the #5 slot.

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Posted: 2/18/2013 3:30 PM

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Kazmir's explanation from a NY Post article.  I think he went back to square one and learned his craft.  

"WHAT happened to Scott Kazmir?


Kazmir’s big problem came about because of a small problem. He believes the issue started in spring training of 2008 when he pulled his triceps, then pulled his groin while rehabbing.


Despite the groin injury, he wanted to pitch, so he didn’t shut himself down. He made his first start of the season on May 4.


By pitching through the groin injury, Kazmir says he got away from using his legs and instead used only his arms. Once his groin improved and he eventually began to use his legs again.


“It’s almost like I lost the feel for it,” he says.


“Then you start searching for stuff,” he says. “And next thing you know, you start thinking about stuff that might be the problem that’s not the problem. And then you go from one thing to another thing and then it’s just a snowball effect. That’s what I feel like what happened.


“And it came to the point [the last few years] where I was completely lost out there.”


Why couldn’t he get back to what he was before the injuries?


Despite his success, Kazmir had no idea how he had done it. He had no blueprint for his effectiveness.


“I didn’t know how I did it. I just did it,” he says. “I didn’t know how I threw hard or anything like that. I just did it and I was successful with it.”"

 

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports...QWxcrFKHlYlsM/1


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Posted: 2/18/2013 3:38 PM

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Agree here and I think we have enough options so we don't rush Carrasco.  I think Bauer and McAllister would be ahead of him for now. 

The Tribe may be in a position to do well in trade even if they contend.  Let's say Kazmir and Matsuzaka both make the team and contribute solidly.  With Bauer, McAllister, Carrasco, and even a few others like Kluber, there's the potential that one of those guys could get traded just as I could see us trading Perez as well even if we're in contention if the right offer came.  We have more than one replacement option at closer.
BrutusBuck11 wrote: realistic Carassco shouldn't be up here till june-july without rushing him back, he needs a good amount of time in extended ST-AAA just to see where his arm is, Rushing him back in may would be a dumb move

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I'd be fine with putting Kazmir, Kluber, or Dice-K up in the bigs for the month of April. (whoever does best in ST) After that, I want Carrasco coming up after some rest in April, so he can pitch for us the rest of the season, withouto an innings limit, since he is surely the best option for the #5 slot.

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Posted: 2/18/2013 3:38 PM

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It would sure be nice to have an effective LH starter for a change.  Have to go back to 2009 and Cliff Lee for that.
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Posted: 2/18/2013 4:46 PM

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I don't have high expectations Kazmir and Daisuke. We'll see what they have left, maybe they surprise, but I'm holding out hope that Masterson/Jimenez/Myers/McCallister/Bauer breaks camp as the rotation. I hope that Kazmir will go to the minors as insurance, but who knows if he'll accept that.
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Posted: 2/18/2013 4:50 PM

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Bauer probably starts in the Minors, if he's not called up in April or May IIRC it addas another year to his contract

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I don't have high expectations Kazmir and Daisuke. We'll see what they have left, maybe they surprise, but I'm holding out hope that Masterson/Jimenez/Myers/McCallister/Bauer breaks camp as the rotation. I hope that Kazmir will go to the minors as insurance, but who knows if he'll accept that.

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Posted: 2/18/2013 4:54 PM

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Good, now all he has to do is get major league hitters out.
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Posted: 2/18/2013 8:17 PM

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I like Kazmir a lot more than Dice-K. Hoping that all things being equal, Francona will pick Kazmir. Dice-K is painful to endure, especially when he can't get outs.
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Posted: 2/18/2013 8:54 PM

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I'm not looking forward to games DiceK pitches. There is nothing worse than a 4 hour baseball game that only lasts 9 innings.
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Posted: 2/18/2013 9:04 PM

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if either Kaz or DiceK is back to form this will be one hell of a year
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Posted: 2/18/2013 9:14 PM

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agreed....if 1 pans out it will be tremendous
jameseboy wrote: if either Kaz or DiceK is back to form this will be one hell of a year
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Posted: 2/18/2013 9:40 PM

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wremy wrote: agreed....if 1 pans out it will be tremendous
jameseboy wrote: if either Kaz or DiceK is back to form this will be one hell of a year
I think our starting rotation will be in great shape if one pans out.  I like the potential for Masterson to be significantly better.  I don't have high hopes for Ubaldo, but Masterson + Myers (a reliable, though not spectacular starter) + Dice-k/Kazmir + McAllister + Carrasco + Bauer = A fairly strong rotation.  Not the best, but it's about getting through 6-7 innings to the 'pen.  And I believe we'll see much better run support this year and much better defensive support.
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Posted: 2/18/2013 9:50 PM

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all I can think about with Kazmir is Steve Avery.
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Posted: 2/19/2013 12:46 PM

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agreed
macphisto wrote:
wremy wrote: agreed....if 1 pans out it will be tremendous
jameseboy wrote: if either Kaz or DiceK is back to form this will be one hell of a year
I think our starting rotation will be in great shape if one pans out.  I like the potential for Masterson to be significantly better.  I don't have high hopes for Ubaldo, but Masterson + Myers (a reliable, though not spectacular starter) + Dice-k/Kazmir + McAllister + Carrasco + Bauer = A fairly strong rotation.  Not the best, but it's about getting through 6-7 innings to the 'pen.  And I believe we'll see much better run support this year and much better defensive support.
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